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The shorts have covered...
Unfortunately their arrogance allowed them to wait this long to have done it in this manner...late..real late by anybody's standards.
Because they waited this long the share price has suffered along the way...it should have been priced a lot higher by now..certainly not at 12 cents.
Because the financials haven't been released there hasn't been a complete stampede yet.. here we sit..another weekend lost to wondering what's up.
What you are witnessing is the ability of the MM's to arbitraily control the price at lower levels...they just don't have the volume of demand to overwhelm that which is still in their control. They have their various illegal needs to do this...shorting/theirs or others shares... and the needs of large buyers(wessal) to not let it get too expensive before getting their stated 25%...
IT'll ALL.. start to change soon...UNLESS this company just keeps saying nothing at all while we wait. It'll all start changing real real fast. Known financials are what we wait for.
There's not many shares left at that point...lol...i'll assume their games will dry up and not dog this stock endlessly. It's been suggested they still will do their crap to some extent when they are released..It's been suggested that the company has in store the ammo and knowledge of what it'll take to fulfill their stated goals. I'll assume they will execute on that and give me the same equal delight of things known as i've had to endure waiting on things unknown.
I have enough irritation for all the unanswered questions as to why things aren't priced the way I feel they should be by now as well. The wait is nauseating..but i signed up for this and will learn hopefully to control my emotions and not sell anytime early. They say there's plenty of people that'll be glad to get my shares in that process. The ''supposed'' bashers know the fears and the longer this wait keeps on going...the easier it'll be for them to get to them. I'm going to use the weekend for reading up on how to control those fears.
To paraphrase Heston from his days at the NRA...''from my cold dead hands'' will they get those shares.
That's the whole trouble Jim...
Before a company even gets a fighting chance at this level.. shorting is a common enough practice to manipulate fair valuation.
That the shorting is illegal and not penalized is unjust!
Who's the one gets screwed royally for that crappola?
Legitimate companies...individual investors....that is so wrong
Your talents could be better spent acknowledging this and devoting your energies to saying something other than..'i'll short this stock at some point'
Doesn't mean that you need to make an appearance on this board though tonight...
It just disrupts and there's enough irritation for already for having to endure all longs here are waiting on.
And while you've adopted the 'hey..everybody's ripping each other off kind of attitude..so why shouldn't I? I'll at least give you credit for getting rid of the sleasy big shark animation.
If you've got any connections at IHUB as rumored, see if you can't get 'em to put a lid on that becoming a trend. I can't begin to think how worthless these forums could degenerate to if that became the norm for everybody.
Absolutely priceless...
anybody who steals and manipulates for whatever reasons for their personal gain at the expense of the investor who simply wants to own a stock needs to doing some hard time.
MM's steal!
Shorter's steal..even the legitimate shorting!
Hedge funds steal!
Brokerages steal!
Round 'em up and throw away the key!
They all need a Samuel Jackson...PULP FICTION kind of visit
You pride yourself on being smarter than the herd..
by that same token shouldn't you be able to say load the boat when you know in your heart it's that kind of play?
Were you not once that new investor that didn't know jack about investing before you started to learn all you know today?
Do you think it's fair to play games now when people turn to you for advice and leadership?
Don't you want your fellow investor to do well?
LOL... right??
Could we hold another week with no news?
Why not?.. Market makers gotta be tidying up their need to cover whatever it is that they needed to do by now. Maybe today was the last day they needed to clean up their manipulation..or their 'customers' need to clean it up around this price level. They do it right in front of your eyes. Tragic, but totally unchecked with the laws in place that fail to call them on it. You actually get pick pocketed with nobody to nab 'em, all in broad daylight.Pathetically tragic.
Wessal's got the info he wanted to have bought what he wanted at the correct time to keep the price in the range that the MM's were willing to start taking it outta their own pockets. If he hadn't bought before this week it would seem that he had all the reason in the world to have done it through this week for sure. The audit info.. being 'within the range of not having broken the law'.. is all he was waiting for.
All week long the price of SLJB goes nowhere... As per the earlier weeks PR from Petar you have to know the audited financials are now in hand and whatever reasoning he needed to tidy them up to perfection has now been completed.
Normal market forces should have been in play all along with what was known about this company. Why it sits at this price when others have known it's simple supply and demand equation should have made it sit higher by now, is simply verification that FORCES are at play that have their own NEEDS.
Does shorty ever get hurt?...lol...who knows...in this case I figure the price manipulation is such that their pain will be within their own manageable tolerance. Did Wessal get his 25% at a favorable price with the help of the MM's...common sense would tell you that is what has happened. I don't know how it couldn't have knowing what should be left in the available float.
Along the process MM's have manipulated the price by the rules they are allowed to get away with. They've minimized their damage, but they've obviously been stuck with SOME kinda bill depending on what figures ya wanna go with. The who's/what's/how's and why's will never be known for sure.
What we do know is that the posted financials and follow up pr's have been delayed ad nauseum. To the degree that SLJB helped in that process...who knows or cares...that's the most interesting PR you'd ever wanna see NOT coming to a theatre near you.. EVER
Hopefully, it's 'now' time to release them and begin the normal process that allows true market forces to propel this price to where it needs to be. Should have happened..hasn't..but what the hell, at least it allowed a lot more of us to buy into it cheaply. All longs are certainly ready here for this to happen...methinks the big boys are as now ready as well.
If they're not..then the buying you see next week will be coming from this corner in spades. I've had enough of this wait. LOL... come on...how many shares could possibly be left? for sale?
There's that certain something to this person's post...certain kind of cleverness with that very first post for a newb.
AUDITED FINANCIALS WILL COME WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT
I believe that sincerity and know that this is the final sign..
2:52 now....i feel it...i can feeeeel it
strapping myself down
Hmmmm...jantinna's rolled outta bed...
this rocket is in the final countdown now
lol..i'll check the annual fee again... I know it's in the plural...
there be a lot of money in it!...lol
certainly there's going to be some shopping around later on for the best rates...
everything in it's time
Thanks.. your advice makes sense and has come from others locally as well that know what happened...
The account is greater now then when i opened it..
My irritation is that i have traded it so infrequently that my own habits couldn't possibly be problematic...they do charge me thousands to trade per annual fee...they ARE making decent money offa me.. I RARELY trade!!
They know the agreement that was signed...they acknowledged what i wanted to do when opening the account with a hearty laugh and handshake...I held ..SIRI IN IT.. AS THE ONLY HOLDING FOR A YEAR!
They have their arses covered I'm sure with any LEGAL complaint..this is Morgan Stanley we're talking about..some puny investor in cowville's not going to be causing them a problem for a second if he wants to press the issue..
However..we do know THEY started the HEDGE FUND BUSINESS...THEY are the major innovator and financier of those interests...THEY all do their business with them.. on and on
To the extent that one of 'em has a problem with having gone short this stock..well..I ain't a rocket scientist..but on this one I know enough to have figured how/when and why they SUDDENLY...'had a problem with my trade'
As for why he I haven't just walked in there and demanded something..well..I'm waiting here and not looking for that showdown yet till the price really takes off..
He had the nerve to tell me I had unduly bothered my personal broker asking about the situation going on there...
I couldn't have been more personable and non threatening...I could palpably feel the fear and confusion over the situation developing...
Since the account is a self directed brokerage account moving the monies involved would inevitably take time...time in this particular situation that i am not willing to take...
I'm not an idiot...i was totally dumped on...who wouldn't take their money and tranfer to another broker when treated like that?
I am not going to rock this boat now with any action now.. The tension/language and demeanor of the whole thing was twilight zone like...
Clearly, he was not interested in my business anymore..
It sounded like someone above him had royally chewed him out for having approved my previous buys..the last one was what probably had him on the phone with that ....''someone''
The question...WHY WOULD THEY CARE??
I asked the head there to furnish me in writing that i couldn't purchase any more shares of sljb...
Last Friday he ended my conversation asking for written clarification.. saying that he would provide that in writing.
He was a strange animal on the phone ....eventually saying that i COULDN'T BUY ANYTHING WITH THE CASH RESERVES IN MY ACCOUNT...EXCEPT FOR...a stock priced over $4.. my account has gained in value for over a year..it's always held a lopsided mix of extremely low priced securities.
He even acknowledged that he had never prevented any trade..even acknowledged the agreement i had signed to be agressive and trading without their counsel on anything i ever did.
He bristled at first saying..NO.. to my desire to see them state this in writing...several times...
and then..he said FINE...YOU'LL HAVE IT IN WRITING!!
well...it's a week later and i'm only five miles away..and mr mailman hasn't shown with that letter yet.
I know one of the brokerages who shorted SLJB...
Morgan Stanley
John Edwards would tell you that your grandfather is with him now and he's saying...
TO DA MOON
From here on JJ's earned my first read of the day..
Thanks for your enthusiasm and diligence..
That last post sends me to bed tonight... LMFAO
Ya know if you came on here telling us that you had a personal talk with God...
and he said to load the boat...well...
methinks i'd be ready for salvation.
till then i gotta find the clues where i can read 'em
LOLMAO...Pluto's going to be their lower sextile quadrant. Cramer's version of the ''house of pain''
btw..their horoscope nailed today perfectly ...''scale back your dreams.'' I saw that last night and set my alarm clock for later figuring that the af's weren't coming before market open.
but the 29th's....yesss!
If Soros can read all that's been known to the degree that anyone should need to put down a fairly long bet...then the glasses you suggested some of these people deserve here now, for whatever bizarre agenda they have, BETTER BE bifocals.
I've never seen posts that imply the WORST myopia of all time.
Soros...if the Af's come out tomorrow will you concede it might be time to get back in at least?
i'm not crazy enough to have mortgaged anything getting to this point in time...thanks for caring though
i'll save that moment to load that boat aft and stern knowing with auditor's blessing those last two pieces of a monstrous 1000 puzzle finishes it off.
we can then enjoy being on the same page as we chase the price all the way to the nasdaq.
I've finally seen the best horoscope ever for truly knowing the AF's are coming out tomorrow.
Friday 29th...Scorpio... There is great potential in your life now for a major breaktrough that disolves the emotional blockages preventing you from achieving your goals.
DD... tarot.com
and man do they ever revel in it..
the damn bas@#%#'s
time to play some ping pong with my son and get away from this board..
i can always pretend the ball is a damn basher
then i spose the onus for doing what's right would fall on the administrators of said forum to protect investors in a way that they know would be the morally and ethically correct thing to do...
they would probably realize that something criminal would be cause to immediately censure someone with criminal intent..
doesn't make any sense that the creators of a popular investors informational web site would demean themselves by tolerating an effort to manipulate them like that
doesn't seem possible they would make themselves a part of such collusion. They would distance themselves from it at the very first glimpse.
hey...they're investors themselves probably. they desire to do well with their investments like anybody else
it just wouldn't make sense
been there..done that....
but ya know that has got to be one worthy sacrifice..send me a pm with the number so i can argue with him that it's sufficient enough now.
There's a few other things I might like to ask him
thanks for the replies on that and the links..it'll give me some direction..
SECOND QUESTION...
What is the DEFINITIVE answer about posting in a public forum if your intent was to inluence sljb's share price in a negative way that would benefit a market maker who might have broken the law by having a naked short position...
I'll assume it's way beyond illegal...I'll assume the person/persons/MM would be doing some hard time?
Can anyone explain the naked short thing?
if the example was one MM wanting to cover that position and he wanted to do it IMMEDIATELY...
let's say it was i.e. 200 million shares
can they do it all at once?
doesn't covering that which never existed in the first place..the very definition of a naked short is a MM's failing to deliver stock..wouldn't in some way they then be adding to the number of shares issued when they do cover?
sorry..it's the irritation of waiting for SLJB's AF's...watching cshd take off like a bat outta hell...but somebody please cut to the chase and explain the mechanics of what would happen assuming that the example is valid and how they would rectify their wrongdoing
SILLY MOVING PICTURES AND POP UPS OF FROGS AND FISH?... The newest moronic orgy of visual excess that plays so well in that adrenal region of your mind. That part that keeps you on edge when investing just screaming to beware of anything FISHY going on here. Pay attention to your adrenaline. Ignore that Darwinian side of your brain alerting you to sickening motion and dread.
Yuppers...that guy wants your shares as well. He knows well what you fear He knows that playing the wolf in sheep's clothing role while reveling in Ihub's newest distraction...one that gives him the grudging notice he craves, and one that all that his peers on SLJB'd board's should ever have to tolerate. Let's pray he grows up soon.
Don't flip 'em your shares now or down the road. He knows he should have been loaded in spades by now. His brand of manipulalation has never been well understood, but is stinks as bad as anyone who collects a basher's paycheck for a living.
Keep that adrenaline in check and don't let that poor lil' old clownfish being endlessly swallowed by the mean old shark get to you.
Take that chill pill you might need for the boat you've been allowed to book passage with... for possibly one LAST time. They know what you fear. DON'T LET EM RATTLE YA WITH THEIR NEWEST TOY.
SLJB... TO DA MOON AND BEYOND. IT'S ALL YA NEED TO KNOW FROM HERE ON OUT. SAVE THE CARTOONS FOR WHERE THEY BELONG... SATURDAY MORNING AND OFF OF ADULT TIME
If you state there's been weeks at a time where you haven't read any posts on the SLJB board... yet, you've got this record of a trillion posts. I ask you... HOW could you have not paid ANY attention to the most popular board on IHUB and be taken seriously???
You have this somewhat swarmy pride in your knowledge of knowing and caring about scams and such...
All of it endlessly done with such pithy attitude and style.
You show up raising questions at this late hour, that seem so easily smacked down by your peers.
I've gotta ask you... what the f' is up with that? It would be absolutely impossible to take you any more seriously than some of weirdest paid bashers that i've seen come and go over the last two months.
Their agenda is obvious!...is yours as well?
If your last major concern is satisfied with the audit's release, could you please spend some time here when that comes. Don't make it one of those I haven't looked at this board for several weeks later on when you do show. K?
knowing the O/S to be 800m ... between known insider holdings and what logically would be the number of shares being held by longs..MM's are doing nothing more than trading air? you'd think there couldn't possibly be a damn share left to trade
seeing the action that goes on on that L2 level what specifically are the MM's doing in holding that price down? walk ups..walk downs..what should normally be happening vs. what it is that's actually seen? You'd think that normal pressures would make them head north rather than holding up the price. If they're trading something here they're not gonna have more inventory until they've raised the price to induce selling.
from who does sljb learn that there's 200-300 million shares when they bought the lwfk shell? especially if naked shorting is illegal? who are those overseas hedgers that can short a penny stock...i assume the mechanisms for shorting that same stock here don't happen except as it's speculated that MM's just go short by not even delivering anything.
when,where ,how..do the MM's proceed to cover?
sorry for all the questions...but i'd love someone here to just spell out EXACTLY what is going on in terms of price manipulation.
The moon moves into Sagittarius tomorrow at 9:17 am EST will allow all of us to move past our current limitations and set the stage of forgiveness and healing.....
In other words..audited financials will be out before the market open...it'll be a whole different ball game from here on.
I spose I could find it in my heart to forgive. Hmmm...well I"ll give it a try at least.
As for the healing part...LOL>...methinks I've been more than ready for a vacation. We've all been ready.
I managed to find this out by accidentally calling Arch Crawford when calling Petar for a golf tee time this weekend . Since I had him on the line I figured I'd ask what his take was on SLJB. He said...
LOAD THE BOAT..WE'RE GOING TO DA MOON
I'll tell you this
No decent medication
Would make you waste
Your dawn here
Useful thought but since they waste my time...I'll focus on those with brain damage.
The paid bashers are predictable. Their efforts ease my wait now for the AF'release...
The ones huddled in some dark room trying to please their boss I'll forgive. Maybe they're just some immigrants struggling to get a paycheck. They might not even know what it is they're doing.
The unpaid kind..oh yeah..they should be strung up by their gonads and beaten with a cactus.
Unless they've forgotten their meds there's no excuse for them
I'll tell you this..
No eternal reward
Will forgive me now
For wasting my time reading your brand of disruption and nonsense...unless you can show an explanation that you were dropped at birth, you might go with some badly needed antipsychotic medication
I'll give you my permission to spend my tax dollars signing up for some sort of disability check. Your posts here are the only explanation you'd need to qualify.
what constitutes a bad post then?
This guy will be the one person for sure that I'll follow to my grave. It'll be worth the time to stay alive for seeing him in legirons and cuffs.
to have this character stating that pecuniam's post is good?
sorry...i gotta vomit here before i can continue...waves of nausea overcome me when i see what deserves something far beyond any punishment Iub could think of.
To not throw this pathetic post out immediately is...
wayyyyy
beyonddddd
reasonnnnn...
unless the modererator is taking a bathroom break there couldn't possibly be anything to explain it being here ...
absolutely nothing
Not if that dream I had has any meaning
See that Jim...Michael's using his time here in a manner that's truly thoughtful and sincere...
Maybe you might have picked the wrong time to have sold earlier before getting your fangs sharpened at the dentist's office...
Thank you Michael for confirming my dream tonight and sharing your thoughts
The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, sheperds the weak through the valley of darkness for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children, and I will strike down upon thee with great vengence and furious anger those who attempt to poison my brothers and you will know I am the Lord when i lay my vengence upon you.
I woke from a dream just now where Samuel Jackson was in it posting the audited financials before the market open...
Think I'll go back to sleep and see how this dream ends.
It's a shame that the investor, who comes to this board for whatever reasons, for the very first time will encounter the level of nonsense that is tolerated. Some people assembled here tonight have reputations that by virtue of the membermarks and posting records will be read more closely.
That investor will end up passing by the story here figuring that if fish tales, football scores, recipes, disingenuous remarks and general silliness rein supreme, then probably thier own level of heightened confusion will allow them to move on to other boards and features. They'll miss IMO and others what could be a fantastic opportunity. A chance maybe to gain interest in a stock that by sheer luck and circumstance still sits at the greatest bargain they may ever know in their lives.
Those of you here tonight that offer nothing of transparent worth, by way of stating your specific involvement, in terms of ownership...you people...you mysterious people of reputation and agenda...speak now..speak loudly and clearly whether you are a long holder or not...speak clearly...speak succintly.
State your agenda or agree that your time here could be one of the most disingenuous moments of your lives.
I feel it is one amazing moment here in SLJB'S timeline....Others here, please try to remember that one person who is now reading for the first time your thoughts.
Speak the truth
Btw...long and strong a couple million shares and then some...so there..i said it..no big whoop...but at least it might give that investor looking in here for the first time a pause that would let them say... hmmm lemme check..lemme investigate....
I'm not here to say much beyond my posts but earlier ones might speed you faster to those you should read.
There is some incredibly profound due diligence that has been performed by some sophistictated and caring investors on SLJB'S board. Please take the time to ignore your first impression of some posters tonight and read as many thoughts here as you can. It might be of worth and I'd hate to think you passed by quickly, having been offended by what you've seen from others.
Those others that SHOULD have known better for spinning their strange agendas here tonight. Those others that should know in fairness they should be using this moment to be honest and helpful. An honesty that would surely befit their incredibly long track record of posts. I'll trust that time here spent posting wasn't because you were as DISINGENUOUS as some feel.
Speak the truth... trust me it's not hard... but it sure is what your moment here SHOULD BE remembered for.
Spin....Bishop...Remnant...go take your viagra and pester your wives...
B'sides it's past your bedtimes