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Smoked salmon?
GLTA
Shivus supporters, Why was TIVU Suspended by DTC???
Man up and answer the question please!!!
Why have we not heard anything about this from managment?
What is Shivus doing about the suspension?
Potential investors want to know. Please inform them.
Do you have a link showing the DTC suspension is it designated trade-for-trade or for all services?
The trade-for-trade is old news.
When I go to the DTC site and search their docs for TIVU or Tivus these are the two links I get from 2010 & 2011:
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2010/nscc/otc/OTC-017.pdf
http://www.dtcc.com/downloads/legal/imp_notices/2011/nscc/a7275.pdf
While we are on the subject, here's a couple links explaining why the SEC came down on the DTC for unfair procedures, this is from May 2012:
http://www.securitieslawyer101.com/sec-orders-dtc-to-adopt-fairness-procedures/
http://shockertrades.blogspot.com/2012/03/sec-orders-dtc-to-adopt-fairness.html
An excellent post Rick and a great read.
http://www.investingadvisers.com/finance/articles/the_mysterious_world_of_death_spiral_finance.php
Almost everyone knows about P&D schemes. Financing is another way that the market (especially the Pennys) are being play to the disadvantage of investors in many cases.
This is one of two stocks I've invested in that had financing from firms like CANT. They are not just an MM, while they are a much more legitimate firm than others, the common theme when they finance a company is boat loads of company shares exchanged for below market prices. The best case is a company that takes advantage of the $ to make a profit, the worst case is finance based dilution that is no longer controlled by the company.
It will be interesting to see the next FINs from TIVU to see where they have financed most recently, if indeed that was done to clear the debt.
GLTA & TIVU
I was simply stating that the post I replied to had a good point, this was certainly not directed at you or anyone in particular. I have seen your posts stating that you are an investor like others who owns up to the risk and that you have a choice in the matter.
Your Dig. Sig. says it all: "WHETHER YOU SWIM OR DROWN IS YOUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY AND THERE ARE
NO EXCUSES,ONLY WHATEVER YOUR RESULTS MAY BE. ENJOY LIFE IF YOU CAN!"
We have all seen the comments that range from POS, crook, to racist with no factual background. CEO's should certainly have a thick skin, but I know if I were in that position I'd likely limit communications with those who partake in that. Sadly that affects all of us.
Besides...Where were these people when the last CC was held?
Perhaps they were unwilling to provide an email address. For some are willing to invest $, but will not take 2 minutes to create and send a new email address.
I appreciate opinions and DD whether they are positive or negative, but persistently putting down one's own position (and others) on a public forum seems to me a pointless waste of time. There are some who sell and move on or simply maintain patience while biting their tongue and I applaud them.
Why do I care?
If a new investor searches for TIVU on the Internet, at the top of the list is IHub. I understand that new investors are basing some of their research based on what they see here and that the PPS goes up when people buy. Some spent months saying "where's the contract?". We have now an explanation for what happened on the Host contract from the CC and a new contract with no rise in PPS. SP could announce the completion of 1000's of rooms or a profitable company, but without investors buying, then the PPS will go nowhere.
I'm not looking to sucker people in, everyone should make up their own mind based on their own DD and decide to own this if they choose to take the risk like we all have.
GLTA & TIVU
Why do these posts exist? # 48089, # 48099, # 48122
Burning question. Where did this stuff come from? Why is a business so mad at Tivus?
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Great questions. My take on the QS posts is that QS was dropped, that seems obvious.
Good riddance!!! IMO since they are perceived as a P&D front and many would append the word "Poor" in front of their name.
Why is a business so mad at Tivus?
Many of these PR firms accept their customer's stocks as payment for their services. In other words, they will often charge $5K, $10K, or more per PR and get shares at the fair market value or even discounted that they can then sell during the pop their PR supposedly creates. This is why many see the PR firms as part of the scam.
Most of us have seen the huge rise a PR firm will create, then the drop off the cliff comes when they decide to cash in.
If QS held some of the shares they were given over the past years, then their payment has declined significantly along with the PPS.
All of this is speculation, however the timing fits and it would explain why SP was not aware of the huge numbers of shares that were sold in the past weeks.
We will know who's telling the truth if the OS has or has not increased by the amount that was "dumped". If it hasn't increased, then those shares were from an old or new investor [CANT] or a PR firm such as QS.
GLTA & TIVU
Excellent DD... Thank you for sharing and keep it up!
PROBABLY NOT WORTH MUCH BUT JUST IN CASE...THE HOST RESORTS JOINT VENTURE IN ASIA/INDIA IS WITH GIC REAL ESTATE (THE GOVT OF SINGAPORE INVESTMENT CO) AND HELD BY PACIFICA PARTNERS...ALL OF THE HOTELS WILL BE LISTED UNDER THE ACCOR UMBRELLA.
IF TIVUS ACTUALLY ENDS UP WITH A HOST CONTRACT, THESE PROPERTIES
ARE IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO "ESTABLISHED" CONTRACTS WITH CAMBAY.
http://www.accor.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Contenus_Accor/Finance/Pressreleases/2010/EN/100721_accor_development_india_EN.pdf.pdf
Will investigate connections to Caribbean a bit later...
You maybe right. We should step away from the "PUBLIC" message board if we have nothing nice to say for it is hurting everyone.....
This guy as the CEO is hurting everyone.
I may do that though. Like I said there are a bunch of really good and true people here and I would hate to have anything to do with screwing you folks out of what you have patiently waited for.
In agreement with what was said in this post shown above.
This CEO could certainly do better, so could some who post publicly.
My take from the CC was that SP limited communications as a reaction to what some of the libelous comments other have posted. While it is easy to understand many of the frustrated comments, those who do so are harming their own position as well as other honest shareholders.
"If history tells us anything QS does not have good intentions nor our best interest! Just saying"
Agreed!
You hit the nail on the head, there is nobody looking out for your interests, especially not the PR firm. Add to that list, the CEO, research firms, your broker, and others that are posting. They all want to make $ just like everyone else.
It makes us wonder why QS would post this. The legit way to handle a business dispute is in the courts if they are owed money for services rendered. This certainly would dissuade anyone that does their research to consider hiring QS, when they later follow up on their non-productive PRs with the threat of disclosures.
My guess is that SP finally wised up to the QS cost/benefit, and if QS was paid in stocks that were valued at a higher PPS, then they are unhappy with their compensation.
IMO The only thing worth less than many penny stocks are the leeches that PR them. It is likely that many investors actually took SP moving on from QS as a positive, I know I did.
GLTA & TIVU
Vulcan,
It is certainly nice to have you back. Your character, I mean demeanor lightens what is often a weary read and your logic is impeccable.
BTW - Let Kirk know that McCoy has something for the situation, but he is just holding out on him. McCoy can be a vindictive SOB!!!
GLTA & TIVU
For those that have done the DD, the patent for ad insertion over IPTV is owned by Alcatel.. They are huge, they bought Lucent many years ago and produce much of the carrier class communications equipment that the world uses. I've worked with Alcatel gear for many years, they are a huge multi-billion $ company that is comparable to Cisco.
With that said, there is plenty of ways to do the same thing, especially with tech, that is why the Internet is not run on one type of hardware. i.e. Ad insertion can be done differently without patent infringement and a patent offers very little protection.
I'd agree that this is a long shot, but I feel it is not over yet, the key to tech is not the patent, it is getting there first and even now TIVU has the lead. It will take LNET at least a year to reach this point and even longer to deploy it at enough sites to get ROI.
Perhaps the biggest disappointment is SP shutting down on investor communications, but I think most people would take some of what has been said about him on this board (and others) personally.
While I do not agree with doing that, it is easy to understand and it makes sense why he talks about more with individual investors.
So for now we wait.
GLTA & TIVU
Another swell day for LNET! What is going on over there?
Some say our CEO doesn't care about us, if they believe any CEO cares about shareholders, they are only deceiving themselves, all CEOs are in it for the $, the same as everyone else.
I for one am glad SP is working hard to satisfy the consumer of our technology rather than pandering to shareholders and putting out perpetual PRs. The dilution was necessary to keep going and it bought us a showcase system that many hotel managers and competitors think is "beautiful".
Remember Apple, they were on the verge of bankruptcy about 14 years ago, today they up there with Exxon near the highest Market Cap in the world. A lot can change in a company very quickly, but not overnight. e.g. Less than a $6K investment for 1800 shares in Apple back in 1998 would be worth over $1M today.
The lesson: Patience, the right technology, and dedication to getting it right for the customers (versus shareholders) can make great things happen.
I still believe we are backing a winning tech and we will rise again.
GLTA & TIVU
Have a good weekend everyone!
jpr - That post was not directed at you for venting, in fact I've liked many of your posts (see 44338). I'm not SP nor am I confused, my reply was about your comment on the the Breakout Board. While this board is better than some others, everything you just said about SP's performance (and more) is widely known. It puzzles me why people (not you in particular) would rehash the same list day in and day out while also complaining about the PPS is not going up. Sure it is within their rights, however it's the equivalent of advertising what is missing or wrong with a product and then wondering why it doesn't sell.
This is an investment in a Penny stock, so why do harm to our company or our own position. We could say plenty about how things are not going well, but I choose to keep quiet unless there is something worth saying. If others did the same, we would easily make the Breakout Board when there is news, attract more investors and the PPS would rise.
Today there was still 231M on the bid at 2s, with some stating they only want those, so we know why they are often highlighting the obvious pitfalls.
If TIVU was diluting, they would be selling into the 2s & 3s, yet we have stayed in this range, dropping only recently when F3 and a few longs decided to sell 25M+ shares. I believe much of the other action is MMs up to their usual games, they are in it for the money too.
I'm "all in" and up for getting this going, perhaps letting our CEO know that we would like more regular communication, even Tweets, rather than complaining about them and everything else he does or does not do.
I've worked in the IP communications field for many years including IPTV, so I know this has great potential too.
GLTA & TIVU
"we have had a few days of low numbers of post, if we get our post numbers up, it shouldn't take much to put us on the Breakout Boards, couple that with a 100% green gainer, and we could see some more volume pretty easy."
Agreed, the Breakout Board will get attention, however they come here and read the perpetual posts from the doubters stating that this is not taking off. It is self-fulfilling since driving away new investors means fewer buyers and less gains.
I understand why many are frustrated, I think most of us can agree things could be better; they could also be much worse too. Venting on a stock one owns seems counter productive IMHO.
This was a chance to add more 3s and to see that we still had 231M on the bid at 2s. Thank you to those that bailed at 3s, best of luck to you in the future.
GLTA & TIVU
Regarding a TIVU/LNET merger, blahdude said "From TIVU's perspective, I think it would be nice for shareholders but IMO disastrous for the technology in the long run. I have very little faith in LNET in development and support. Also, like I said before, LNET leaves a bad taste in many people's mouths in the hospitality industry."
I agree 100%. My background is in networking, I have worked with LNET support directly as a provider and as consumer, so I know that they leave much to be desired. I'm hoping they become partners instead of merging. TIVU's hardware with a single satellite feed into groups of local hotels that LNET has would be cost effective for both companies. For the consumer it would be the equivalent of going from B&W to HD color TV in a single leap.
blahdude also said "I'm rooting for TIVU to succeed like Apple today but only time will tell."
I hope you are right. Those who had bought Apple shares back in late 1997 are sitting on $1M for every $6K they had invested.
People often forget that Apple almost went under (as in bankrupt) a little more than a decade ago. It just goes to show how successful the right technology at the right time can be.
GLTA & TIVU
SeeYa - I wanted to say thank you for getting the TA update.
Has anyone compared the recent OS to the total from the last OS update we had before the TA wasn't talking?
I think we all expected the OS to be much higher based on the volume, which was a pleasant surprise. This means that many of the shares we thought were dilution were not from SP. They were mostly the flippers or MMs who bought a bunch when prices were lower.
IHMO licensing or developing TIVU with partners would be the very best long term outcome versus being bought out. Since SP seems to be putting his heart and soul into this, so I feel that he is the type who wants to build this empire rather than selling for a quick buck.
Time will tell...
GLTA & TIVU
I'm replying to JPR's post, great insight.
A scenario such as licensing TIVU to others (LNET) sounds like a possibility.
- We had heard that someone from LNET thought the Philly TIVU system was "beautiful", then soon after Truck was brought on the TIVU team.
- When a smaller company has the technical know how and a patent pending, licensing to another company that has the distribution channels makes it a win/win for both sides without having to sell, buy, or merge with each other.
- What sounds better?
A 50% stake for ad revenue in several thousand rooms in the next year or two. Yeah!
OR
A 50% stake for add revenue (shared with the partner provider) in several hundred thousand rooms in the next year or two. YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GLTA & TIVU
Who would buy in at 9M x 11 shares yesterday?
With that much volume, I was surprised that one of my orders for 2s was not filled.
IMO these are often MMs trading. MMs often buy vast amounts to resell later at a 50-100% profit when this goes back up. These were probably shares that another MM bought at trip 1 or 2 long ago.
All IMHO.
Go TIVU
Hang in there Irish. The MMs are certainly playing this in the current range.
It took 8 days for my last 2's order to fill and even longer for another one before that. By being patient and waiting for the dips, my PPS that was once double 0's is now down within this weeks trading range.
If I had chose to, I could have sold for a modest profit earlier this week. I might flip a few, but overall I'm still long.
GLTA & TIVU
ieatcakemix post# 18417 said:
"I dont think bielstock.com is affiliated with BIEL."
"doesnt look like this website is associated with BIEL"
The website shows Bioelectronics and it has their products. The names Richard Staelin Chairman of the Board and Ben Fichter Administrative Manager/Marketing also appear at the bottom of these links:
bielstock.com/a-letter-from-chairman-richard-staelin
bielstock.com/biel-stock-news
If you check out the website's Admin contact, they are a web designer that specializes in doing contractor websites. You might be correct it is possible someone independently put up the site, but it seems odd that someone not affiliated with BIEL would go through the effort and expense.
GLTA & BIEL
I agree, no update for the domain since Oct 11th, 2011, but I think that means the domain hasn't been updated versus the website.
If you look at the news page, it has an update from Nov 3rd, 2011:
http://bielstock.com/biel-stock-news
GLTA & BIEL
Agreed, another tactic I use is to stagger multiple orders.
e.g.
There's a couple I want to fill at lower PPSs (0.002, 0.003, or where ever you choose) to recoup my initial investment. That leaves the "free shares" with higher PPS orders that will pay big when it goes up even more.
It is wise to sell on the way up during a run, since it is impossible to tell when it might end.
GLTA & Go TIVU!
That's too bad.
Can you lock them in at a lower PPS, say .1, .01, or .005?
Yeah, good idea, perhaps it should be "Occupy MMs!"
I'm doing this to all my shares after hearing about this and I'm spreading the word.
It makes sense when you look at another example:
I'm in another penny stock that has revenue, contracts, a great CEO, with open books and no dilution. It was sad to see it run up with no pumping at all, then dumped 75% this summer. Most of the investors are long, so we were all puzzled by that. For that company MM manipulation and shorting is the only explanation.
Hopefully "locking up your shares" works and we now know how to fight back!
GLTA & TIVU
Great idea! I'm doing what jwez suggested. Thank you jwez!
Many of us witnessed several posts stating that ask slaps were entered this week that converted to "sells" at the bid. Why would an average investor sell at 4 when they could easily get 5?
My initial thought was dilution after the news with a sell PPS that was already set lower than the ask. If TIVU did not sell those 4s, then MM manipulation seems to be a logical conclusion. The (not-so) funny thing is that my broker has warned me about MM manipulation, but they did not offer a solution.
The thought of my broker "lending" my shares to allow the stock I own to be shorted is just wrong. If enough people do this, then perhaps the MMs that shorted will have to cover (buy on the open market) when they can no longer borrow from us.
I have committed GTC orders selling all of my shares at a high PPS to lock them up. We can always adjust the orders as things change.
It is time for the little guys to get together, so I hope others will do the same and spread the word. It certainly can't hurt and if this is true it could help. Besides it fun to see what 5M shares would be at $1!
GLTA & TIVU
RE: jwez posted:
I have an idea. I mentioned before that everyone lock up their shares. I currently have all of my shares locked up in a sell order for .1 so I have plenty of time to change that order accordingly. With the current float and current number of share holders we are averaging around 3.5 million per holder. I have a lot more than that and I know others do to. You may not, but there is no way to know how many freely trade-able shares there are. If you place all of your shares in a sell order, then there is no way for them to be used for shorting. In essence this can help create a greater short squeeze. I think it's worth a try to let the MM's know that they can't just keep playing with $TIVU like they have been.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=70046041
http://www.contracts-for-difference.com/Borrowing-lending-shares.html
That is true, however $500 in a solid company doesn't give the profit potential that a start up does. It would get 1 share of Goo or App that can still lose $. I agree they could do better, but there are hundreds of pinks that have performed far worse than TIVU.
After weeks of where's the audit, where's the revenue, they happen and it's still a pity party. When contracts come, it will be "they said it would be sooner".
All this for $500? After 598 TIVU posts (most not helpful) I think the goal is to put up a "POS" post about TIVU for every dollar lost.
Didn't someone offer to send $500 to stop?
I bet we could find 50-100 people who would each send $5-10.
Sure everyone has a right to express an opinion, but if you are long, why waste so much time and energy relentlessly posting dribble that can only be driving others away?
It's simple:
More buyers = PPS increase
No buyers = PPS decrease
It was nice to see a couple days free from attacks. TIVU made it to #1 on the breakout board, gained attention and 35 new followers.
GLTA (including you) & TIVU
"Did you ever double down with another 500.00."
A $100-200 investment at ones or a $200-400 at twos could have sold at fives to get his $500 back with a little profit.
I do that all the time when a stock drops after I buy. Taking a page from Warren B... if the pps drops after you buy, don't sell, buy more. You average down enough to break even or even make a little.
GLTA & TIVU
TLAG has caught the attention of some of players from the most popular boards on IHub, so TLAG is and probably will be getting more volume than in the recent past.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=69741447
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=69725851
M & P - Didn't mean to single you out, just noticed the trend, so...Do your thing!
It's a good sign that others think TLAG is ready to start moving up, however be aware that some on those boards will stay in for a 2-3 bagger then exit at 0.0003-6. Unless you are extremely long on TLAG, be ready to sell some when this goes up if you want to take some profit out. The typical method they use is to buy low, sell half (or more) when it doubles, then buy back in when it drops again. This is an opportunity to make some $, if you sell on the way up.
GLTA & TLAG
I'm in another stock that was in much worse shape than TIVU, it was looking grim when it fell to .0001/0002. Fortunately the company is a holiday play that made the Breakout Board. While some feel that means little, it sure helped draw attention when news broke yesterday. While there had been much to complain about for that company, most members have been quietly waiting for the news. That one gained 12 followers yesterday, buyers volume went through the roof and we all expect the volume/pps to continue to rise.
A different position I have had HUGE news last week, barely anyone noticed, so the pps barely went up. The point is, what we say matters.
TIVU is in a much better position to make tons of money when everything comes together. TIVU's business has reciprocal sales which are the best versus one time sales products. Reciprocal meaning you put in the time and $ in the beginning to deploy, then collect the checks over the long term without having to extend more time & money. Individual products are good, but they have to sell over and over again to make it.
IMO as long as there are buyers, TIVU shareholders will be rewarded in the long run.
GLTA & TIVU
jsteel29 - when you invest in something, you EXPECT that money back, hence bringing more value. thats the whole point. So of course it's owed. You must not be invested than from your view point.
IMO - If you expect money back then you are making a mistake by investing in any stock, especially the pinks. I expect any company to not care about shareholders, they should care about running the business well.
BTW Long 2.5M shares over half a year; down plenty too.
GLTA & TIVU
Thank you Irish. It is emotional for all of us. There are times I have to refrain from commenting too.
GLTA & TIVU
TD-AM and others are not trading other stocks too, you will have to change your broker. It has to do with the clearinghouse they use and the DTC warning, which by the way affects many stocks.
FYI The SEC is stepping up their enforcement on plenty of pinks who are not current and they are imposing complete trading halts in some cases which has not happened to TIVU.
There are plenty of pinks scrambling to get current. Notice how this list is suddenly filling in this month after a period of very few listed:
http://www.otcbb.com/marketwatch/
As traders we should all be glad that the SEC is finally doing something to clean up the overall market.
We all hope that TIVU will get the audits done to stay clear of this and to open up trading with all brokers soon.
GLTA
SeeYAkblb said in post 29422: "Zzzzzzz, big deal! Where is the news we all need (contracts)? I am tired of hearing about the techie bells and whistles. We need contracts and financials."
IMHO this news is a big deal. TIVU is in the business of delivering TV content, without this agreement their system would be worthless unless you think people staying at hotels are just going to watch ads. So without "the techie bells and whistles" as you put it, there is no system to sell. The announcement also explains why they have been quiet, perhaps they were busy taking care of business.
The people who feel that any company owes shareholders make me laugh. All companies make statements about the importance of shareholders, but in the end it is the business that matters.
What really amazes me is how some expect that posting constant complaints will somehow help their position. Sure you have the right to post your opinion, blast away, but realize that you are hurting your own (and others) position.
From post 29337...Aren't you the one that posted news about SH leaving yesterday without a source?
It sounds like an attempt to mislead all of us, based on Waggett's DD.
Thank you Waggett!
GLTA & TIVU
CYA
Globaltrnr,
Thanks for stepping up as the HYSR Mod and posting the latest news as a sticky.
If you have time to contact the Transfer Agent, it would be nice to ensure the share structure is accurate. IMO it helps to add the date that it was last updated on the board.
Today HYSR is up 39.5%, so this could run hard as people become aware of the potential.
GLTA & HYSR
Looking for opinions on HYSR, it was up 25% yesterday on this news:
HyperSolar Discovers Method to Make Renewable Natural Gas Using Solar Power
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/HyperSolar-Discovers-Method-bw-3418571014.html?x=0&l=1
RE: why is this moving?
The increased volume and movement seems to be in anticipation of the Dr. Oz show (see the company's facebook site) where BIEL could get some free publicity.
It's best to do plenty of DD on BIEL and read the previous posts for opinions.
This is an FDA play that has been in a holding pattern for a long time. When the FDA finally does come through it will likely go way up or down based on their decision. IMHO.
GLTA & BIEL
I've had HYSR on my watch list for some time.
Solar stocks are hurting this year from cheaper Chinese production, however there are a few innovative companies seem worth watching. Hypersolar could be one that capitalizes on new technology and less competition. IMHO
It would be nice to put the news up as a sticky and update the board with DD.
It appears that this board is in need of a moderator.
Any volunteers?
GLTA & HYSR
Crickets chirping today on the CAMS board
The movement down on news probably has to do with the short interest and MMs as far as manipulation:
http://www.otcmarkets.com/stock/CAMS/short-sales
At some point this will rebound, the drop on news defies logic, but I've seen the same thing happen to stocks with an existing revenue stream, that are expanding, with no dilution and frequently reporting good news.
We seem to be reaching support levels at the 4s with 10.5M(3s)/5.8M(5s) on the bid/ask today. We could be at or near the bottom and ready to tip back the other way since people will take the opportunity to average down.
With the low float and frequent news, CAMS seems like one to keep an eye on.
GLTA & CAMS
TIVU is #10 on the Breakout Board this morning, hopefully that will help to get more people interested as followers.
An R/S has only worked out twice for me in the past. The immediate downside is that it seems to slow down the stock during the transition. It helps when it is done to uplist or when a company is on the path to succeed.
This stock has definite risk at this time, however as in many cases, the greater the risk, the greater the potential reward.
GLTA & TIVU
Jsteel29 wrote:
well an easy fix is to submit audited financials, announce HOST contract, price rises over .10 cents, debt financing is secured, past convertible notes are converted with the frenzy of buying, than reverse split the stock. wont have to worry about people able to buy.
Absolutely agree, but if that gets fixed, it will take days to weeks for these clearhouses/brokers to react. Those who cannot trade through their current broker, will not have an option except to sell if/when news breaks.
The earlier legal letter to the OTC is a good sign, it appears that TIVU is working to correct the DTC situation and get audited financials. TIVU is operating off the shares being sold until they can secure a lender with a large contract, so with fewer investors available, I think that they know they have to fix this.
JMHO, GLTA & TIVU