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I hope not! I guess the devil's in the details of the 8-k. I would like to see this stock get active again. It's not even good for a shorter at this level.
Does anybody really think they will sign an agreement with D-Bar in the next couple days? I have my doubts with the testing behind schedule. The test results I thought was part of what they were waiting on. Guess we'll find out in a few days.
Just checking back in to see if we're rich yet. Was hoping to be able to sleep in tomorrow.
I wonder if their new website comes with a new name. Lol. I wonder if I'll get a discount on ribs for being a shareholder.
OTC market must have been affected by the occupy protests. Lol. Trading across the board was ridiculously slow and low.
176 dollars of trading today. I can't make money with this volume people. Haha.
Looks as we have found the equilibrium for now.
We need to see some high volume if we are going to burn through these convertible shares. My guess and opinion is that the convertible debt is going to get dumped on the market before the fin ace package is signed. The finance package will have money to pay off notes if there is any left. Then they can claim they are trying to limit dilution. Action speaks louder than words.
I like where this stock will go if results come back good and financing is signed. I would just be careful throwing more at it.
I say I like the stock, that doesn't mean I like the company.
GM WTCT! Any bets of where this stock is going to end up today? Sure would like to hear some inspiring tweets. Since Atlanta Capital took over their public relations have diminished. Hmmmmm. Wonder what their strategy is?
Tic Toc, WTCT using the clock.
The calender strikes thirty one, and then begins the fun.
Up or Down is anyone's guess, many hoping for the best.
If she falls, then we all know management..................... was breaking our balls.
I hope for us all this company pulls a fourth quarter hell mary and suprises us all.
GLTA and to all a goodnight!
If you don't apply some kind of systematic value to a pink then how would you trade'em? Expected value based on as much DD as physically possible is the only way to value the future pps value. No matter how low the probability of it becoming a reality.
I like the boards for discussion reasons only. Little I say or others will influence the end price of this stock. 6000 in trade value today. Lol. They now have 30 days to unload.
I will agree the probability of the company fulfilling everything it says is quite low. If they can duplicate the results and ink the financial then I would expect .005. Get some legitimate companies under contract then we are looking at .01-.015. This is realistic if the above happens. Nit the 1.00 pps everyone is throwing around. Like you say and I agree low probability but still possible.
Lets evaluate the pps? If we look at the intrinsic value then I would say this stock is overvalued. 1B shares at .0003 = 300,000 USD. We don't know what the real assets of the company are.
Now we can look at expected value. When calculating expected value you must look at statical probabilities. So you need the possible outcomes and the likelihood of each. The likelihood that the company will do everything it says is anyone's guess.I can say if they do everything they say and the reformer does exactly what they claim the expected value is way under valued and would be more justified around .01-.015 range given the O/S. This is early estimate and it would be much greater as they gain more market penetration.
JMHO and people should look at expected value in the pinks. Just take in consideration the statistical probabilities of self actualization.
SS is correct. Better take a loss and sell me your shares at.0001 now.lol
Tic Toc! 31 days to make or break. We will see who right and who is wrong on this board. Tic Toc.
Anyone please show me one credible piece of info proving the company is selling shares for their own profit? Last timVFIN got involved this stock went to.0023. Vfin maybe a welcome site that something is about to happen. Mho.
This isn't the bottom. This is what I call accumulation manipulation. You see it all the time. If I want to accumulate as much possible at these low levels, I will sell back small amounts like the 2 x (20,000) shares=6 dollars at the end of the day to manipulate the bid/ask. I call it adding uncertainty. This will help keep it down while I continue to accumulate at these low levels.
No, its not dilution of converted shares in my opinion. Not at these levels. If there is going to be dilution it will happen after big news at the end of November. These convertible note holders are not dumb. They know the price is gonna rise when the results come in and the finance deal is signed.
Could the company dilute? Sure, any company can. Can the company buy back debt from the investment? Well, depends on the authorized use of the finance deal. I can tell you that November/December is make it or break it for this company.
Bottom line here is this company has a great deal of unanswered questions. We can make analytical assumptions like many on here and they could be correct. No one really knows. Is issueing a convertible note dilution of a company that doesn't have much capital. No, that's what these companies do to get their product to market. Until you can get a capital investor to step up and foot the bill.Selling stock is how you pay the bills. I definitely don't think their selling enough to pay big salaries and live like Kings.
I'll stick around and pick up some more at these low prices until NEWS BREAKS. Then i'll make an informed decision to hold or fold.
There is always money to be made and lessons to be learned. Stay in the fight and find the vulnerabilities.
Not a bad day! 4's are history tomorrow and it looks thin up in the 5's and 6's. Gaining some followers on this board and many more ears and eyes are tuning in for next month. Hope WTCT delivers what they claim.
A huge chance to capitalize if they do it right. Tick Tock:0
We all lack credible info so how can we say it's Fluff. You no what they say when we ASSuME. The bottom line is we have about two months until this things starts to unfold. Either for the Good or the Bad.
The lack of credible info is exactly why this stock is at .0004 and the recent news is why we are beginning to see the accumulation. My guess on the A/S rise is the partnership with DBAR. I would say that most will be restricted. Thats just my opinion until we find out in the finance deal.
Time keeps on Ticking! Into the future.
Good day for a Monday! Solid Accumulation. Any body still want to get rid of some at .0003? Can't hold it back to much longer. LOL!
Now we are talking chemistry! This is by far a better discussion. Cavitation (bubbles) caused by the molecular expansion of the molecule through heat (which is created by the sonic vibration of the molecules bouncing against one another) aids in the weakening of the bond. Thus allowing the molecules to be more efficiently processed in the change of state from a liquid to a gas. Theoretically it could work but not as easy at it sounds. Like Pita has stated before changing the molecular structure and keeping it that way until it actually combust in the chanmber is the difficult part. The micro second it takes to change it or alter it it can easily be changed back.
You never know, maybe they figured away to stabilize it after change.
I see a possible Nobel Prize if they did!
Things aren't always as they appear to be. Still waiting to see what is behind the A/S rise. Could be interesting. It is like setting at the table in Vegas. Odds are slim but payoff is big:)
Pita, Your an intelligent trader and analyst who see stocks for what they are. We all have different opinions on the company and its management. Now the million dollar question knowing the history of the STOCK "Do you believe with the release of the next tests with finance, that this stock will follow the same trend as last time and push up?".
I will be the first to say there is every reason to believe that the company is questionable. I do not trade on the belief in the product but the history and the trend of the stock. I do see the fuel reformer as having a huge potential if it works. That is a big IF.
Regardless if it works or not which will be proven either way in TIME, you need to look beyond that and see the stock for what it is.
People say it is way undervalued. It reality it is valued at just what you would expect for a company that has very little positive income. Take in consideration potential and this is what drives the stock to be overvalued. This is what investors see it possibly doing. This is what I am betting on to happen in the next couple months.
It's very relevant. The fuel reformer did not just come about this year. The inital white papers published from the Colorado test began last year. It has been in the developmental stages for approx. 2 years. The purchase of the fuel reformer by WTCT has been in the last year. The release of the white papers with a finance package that fell through or never fully developed is what drove this stock up to .0078 at the begining of the year. This finance deal looks much more promising and the release of the next set of tests will be sure to push this stock to same level and my guess even higher. .01 is very likely.
All I am trying to do is to reassure you that I believe that this stock will move forward and up.
Qoute "How do you know where you are going if you do not know where you have been!"
Does this look Familiar?
http://pincherplay.com/wtct-is-the-featured-chart-of-the-day-for-1242011/
A lot of similarities. Just my opinion and you should do your own DD.
At least we know that the results are coming before the filing of the finance. Those two alone will send this flying. I think everything is strategically building up to explode
Balamidas. Just my opinion but I believe you will see at least three of your items listed action around the end of november when they sign the agreement. This will have a sky rocketing affect. Until then accumulation and continued rise will continue. This is a tend bagger easy by years end. JMO.
??? President Obama going to speak???
YOU GUYS BEEN BUSY THIS WEEKEND! You can't deny the possible potential of this item IF it works. You can debate the whether the company has the proper management to get it to market IF the products performs as they say.
Past performance of the company is skeptical. Hopefully for everyone on here they can live up to what they say now versus previous management. I would expect some movement upward back to a mean of .001 but not a great deal higher until the details of finance package and results are published.
If volume shoots high and price jumps considerably don't expect it to hold. To many variables still pending. Word to the wise " trade on potential, invest on performance".
Wish you all the best and hope this product does what they say for the good of all not just the investor.
Those numbers sound like our deficit. Lol. You know what they say, there is always some truth behind all rumors.
The biggest problem with OTC stocks is there is very little transparency. This is why most trade them instead of investing them. Investing is much more riskier down here. The probability of one of these companies going main street slow. Not impossible, but low.
I have repeatedly asked this company to move up and eventually out of the OTC market if they are legit. They recently addressed it and I have a hunch we'll see something about that in the 8K finance deal. OTC reporting requirements are shady. This company has reached a critical point in where they end up. 1 year from now we will either be reading about this breakthrough in the wall street journal or WTCT will no longer exist under it's current name.
No legit company with the technology they claim they have will remain down here in OTC land much longer.
The only thing an 8-K does is aid in the legality of the information released. PR's are more based on what WTCT thinks. If they falsify information or findings in an 8-K they open themselves up to lawsuits. Not that they have much to lose if they were sued.
I don't believe an 8-K filed after the findings will reference it's successful use in OEM vehicles. Manufacturers would need to design this into their vehicle. I am confident it is not just a snap in component and your getting 50 mpg.
I would like to see the 8-K in reference to the DBAR finance deal. The details of this agreement will uncover the validity and direction of this company. I don't believe the EPA will in any way endorse this product anymore than they do any other.
Although someone should recommend this company for a green loan from Washington. Lol. That would definitely send this stock flying.
I'll stick to the 8-K's. Everything else is potential based not performance based. Potential sounds promising but I would like to see some more performance. If we see what they claim then it's a whole new game. Just be nice to see it in writing. 8-K form preferably.
Big players- probably not.
15k- better than it has been
Buys and sells- more buys than sells
Majority of your statement is positive. Sounds like you have crossed over from the dark side lol.
Yeah, SEC 8-K means nothing. It's not like they are required to disclose certain information. Wait? Maybe they are required to report certain findings. Hmmm mm!
Probability would be pretty low unless some BIG NEWS is released:)
It will be nice to see the 8k in November with the details to the finance package. My guess is much more news will accompany this around that date. Results are still critical but I don't believe anyone here thinks they will be negative. I would like to think DBAR has a little better insight than us. This is a positive sign that WTCT is still moving in the right direction. GLTA
If you had this stock for a year and your just trying to get back what you put in then something's wrong. Like many people will confirm TRADE'EM don't INVEST'EM. WTCT has had two good runs this year. If you haven't been able to capitalize on them then you should try harder. I have near 6 million shares with no money invested. These are shares that I have capitalized on from the two big runs and some small spikes. this company does talk a lot and some find it smoke and mirrors. SEC filings are where the truth lies. This company has some good possibilities. Are they any riskier than any other penny stock? Are they an less riskier than any other penny stock. I will keep my opinions to myself. the only thing I can say is they have more irons in the fire than most other companies. If I don't see a good breakout by the end of the fourth quarter then I will probably pop smoke and move what little money I made into something different. I wish you all the best of luck and hope you can get back what you got in.
Tic Tic Tic Tic, Picked me up a good bit more.
If you read the last SEC filing they said the results would not come til near the end of the 4th Qtr. So, I definitely wouldn't hold my breath. I'm still looking for cheap shares so if anybody wants to unload I would be ok with that. Forward thinking pays;)