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airdale
RIGHT ON TARGET... AND GETTING THE SEC INVOLVED... DO IT...
GREAT POST AND IT SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE COMPANY TO SHOW THEM THAT THE NATIVES ARE GETTING RESTLESS FOR SURE...
u go guy...
Imirish..
Real
thanks.... somehow I "missed those years"... lol...
Imirish...
jigglepuff
that is the 64,000 dollar question.... many sources of selling .... insiders, hedgefunds, pipe conversions , or just retail throwing up their hands... who knows who and why someone decides to sell.... but I still state that blaming every market maker for every downtick in a pps of every stock is not the answer.... they are only there to put buyers and sellers together.... in my opinion...
Imirish...
valueseeker
that happen about a year ago....
second... heard the buyback was in the 20 million at the .03 level... not 100mm...
Imirish...
gunnar
not sure what you are asking... my post was meant as a bit of humor on a song in the 60's... ? dazed and confused ? isn't that a movie or something too? lol...
Imirish....
gunnar
learned a long time ago in business, that something is only worth what someone is will to pay for it at that moment in time.... everything else as to value is wishing , hoping and dreaming.... wasn't that a song in the 60's? lol..
Imirish...
Real
my friend... nope, I have been adding for over a year and 1/2 or so.... I just believe in calling as I sees em..... being affraid is not a good thing and trying to come to a conclusion on a company and what the H e l l they are doing when we have no public info of value as to sharecount, numbers, debt and such .... this could all be solved with the management ungagging and filing as promissed soon... this would all be just noise now.... in my opinion....
Imirish...
airdale and PNEW
a small couple of issues are coming up that could be a neg sign.....
pinko changes as of may
and the looming law suit on may 4....
if they are not resolved for our favor this could be a mildly tough may in my opinion.... we are now adrift in a ocean of unknowns here...
Imirish...
airdale
we totally agree... you added two words that has great meaning in your post also...
6.)"character"
7.)"honor"
we will see what kind of character and honor these guys really have...
"soon"... but I wouldn't bet the farm on it... they sure haven't shown that we should...
in my opinion....
Imirish
Airdale
as one of the better posters on this board which I think you are I will give a few words as to why..
1.) integrity
2.) honesty
3.) openness
4.) fairness
5.) and simply just doing what is right by people and their hard earned money
those words should be the backbone of any company in its MISSION statement... plain and simple...in my opinion
Imirish...
airdale
with all due respect...
the rules that were changed in congress one must remember was to stop these whore ceo's and management from doing misdeeds to the common shareholder....you can't have it both ways... too many corrupt management types filling their personal greedy little pockets on the bankaccounts of the average joe investor.... this bs of gagging a publically traded company and refusing to file data that should be common knowledge to shareholders is simply wrong and needs to stop.... hiding behind such misdeeds is hurting all shareholders as much as the naked shorting issue.... in some respects it is worse.... there are no more excuses here.... full disclosure plain and simple is what is needed already "soon" this is the result of these little ceo's that want your and my money in public forums of markets but want to run them as private little thiefdoms in my opinion.... it must stop and this is the price of doing business responsibly pure and simple....
in my opinion...
Imirish...
jigglepuff
in my opinion.... the manipulation you are hoping for and speaking of is NOT market makers so to speak... it is the people gambling/oops/investing through the market makers to take the pps to where THEY want it to go.... the market makers are doing only the bidding so to speak as the buyers and sellers are asking... the only dog they have in this fight or any fight is to get the trade done as quickly as possible for their fee, nothing more nothing less in my opinion...
Imirish...
U go PNEW!
u da man... pointing out the facts...
keep up the works...
Imirish....
jigglepuff
as stated in a post here... my thinking on mm manipulation ... it is a bogus argument in my opinion...
Insane
agree... but that kind of proves the point of everyone yelling naked shorting all the time on every stock in the universe these days...
the truth is, when are we as retail shareholders going to stop blaming every downtick and pps downward action on every stock on shorting and get to the real issue.... the issue is we have allowed the mismangement types and illwill managements of many if not almost all small cap and even some large cap stocks to blame or us the shorting illegal issue for their mismanagment styles.... to make it clear I am not talking about sfnn or any particular company but as a whole now.... the issue should be shareholders directing the pps failures on these companys and not allowing the companys to skirt freely on yelling we are being shorted... this is old and convient for companys to do..... they and they alone are responsible for the success or failure in the company and the pps of the stock.... in certain issues such as illegal shorting, which I do believe is being done, that can become a problem for management but the management still has a responsibilty to address the reasons for companys being illegally naked shorted.... those issues are simple , they are bad funding with pipe deals, which any and all ceo's by now should be aware of and not do, hedge funds, that needs regulation on and OFFshore to control but these companys should band together and go the the sec and congress for action, which they do not or simply just do the right thing for the shareholders and the company and be totally transparent, proper share counts and become profitable and just run the companys for the owners we the shareholders and stop running them as most do a personal thiefdoms by lining their personal managements pockets with "OUR" hard earned money..... all those can and should be addressed.... so I say... everyone , don't buy the convient company line when the pps is falling direct the anger at the management for not doing all they can do for us the shareholders... one last point in this shorting issue.... too many blame the Market makers..... the truth is they are just that making a market and if anyone thinks about what they do with thousands of companys to make that market in and think they worry about pinko land pps's and know what each and every company does for purposes of shorting them for gain, then i suspect a reality check... market makers could care less about a company, they make their money on making markets and shorting is part of the making of that market it is not illegal for them to do.... some illegal types but they are making money on the spread/fee and mostly that only so please everyone think about this when every stock owned by the shareholders proclaims the mm's are trying to drive the pps down.... all in my opinion nothing more and nothing less... good luck and I am waiting to step up here ...
Imirish...
jigglepuff
just as a guy sitting waiting, and being honest... my dry powder will start to be wet under .009 ... that I see happening... just an opinion....
Imirish....
sff / air
sff
u got that...
air
great post, I would suggest you send that to pa and show him how badly he is looking even when comparing to a scam like that.... somewhere he has to get some respect for himself and a respect for us long suffering shareholders.... in my opinion...
Imirish...
ninertango
thoughts... looks like no mans land in the pps range... peeps are afraid to step up for fear of getting jackhammered ... no idea which way this will go.... directionless so to speak, and many are waiting for subpenny I suspect, but will not admit to it.... I for one would love to see old low now, then we can get over this stalemate and move upward finally... just my opinion...
Imirish...
sawdin
exactly
r/s kiss of death in pinkoworld... never here on this one do we want that...
Imirish...
Insane
thanks... could be the reason here...
Imirish...
Insane
agree... but that kind of proves the point of everyone yelling naked shorting all the time on every stock in the universe these days...
the truth is, when are we as retail shareholders going to stop blaming every downtick and pps downward action on every stock on shorting and get to the real issue.... the issue is we have allowed the mismangement types and illwill managements of many if not almost all small cap and even some large cap stocks to blame or us the shorting illegal issue for their mismanagment styles.... to make it clear I am not talking about sfnn or any particular company but as a whole now.... the issue should be shareholders directing the pps failures on these companys and not allowing the companys to skirt freely on yelling we are being shorted... this is old and convient for companys to do..... they and they alone are responsible for the success or failure in the company and the pps of the stock.... in certain issues such as illegal shorting, which I do believe is being done, that can become a problem for management but the management still has a responsibilty to address the reasons for companys being illegally naked shorted.... those issues are simple , they are bad funding with pipe deals, which any and all ceo's by now should be aware of and not do, hedge funds, that needs regulation on and OFFshore to control but these companys should band together and go the the sec and congress for action, which they do not or simply just do the right thing for the shareholders and the company and be totally transparent, proper share counts and become profitable and just run the companys for the owners we the shareholders and stop running them as most do a personal thiefdoms by lining their personal managements pockets with "OUR" hard earned money..... all those can and should be addressed.... so I say... everyone , don't buy the convient company line when the pps is falling direct the anger at the management for not doing all they can do for us the shareholders... one last point in this shorting issue.... too many blame the Market makers..... the truth is they are just that making a market and if anyone thinks about what they do with thousands of companys to make that market in and think they worry about pinko land pps's and know what each and every company does for purposes of shorting them for gain, then i suspect a reality check... market makers could care less about a company, they make their money on making markets and shorting is part of the making of that market it is not illegal for them to do.... some illegal types but they are making money on the spread/fee and mostly that only so please everyone think about this when every stock owned by the shareholders proclaims the mm's are trying to drive the pps down.... all in my opinion nothing more and nothing less... good luck and I am waiting to step up here ...
Imirish...
insane
are you pointer on rb?
having this discussion on that sight with him...
this is my responce and I have a few others if you care to read
"retail .... do you have an offshore account... bet not, and bet 99% of retail doesn't have one either...
call your broker and see what he says if you want to short a pink sheet stock... bet they tell you what I was told... "
in my opinion
Imirish..
bagfull
that is the key... if the company has a conversion pipe type of funding in place, that would be the source of naked shorting if there is one.... as to retail shorting , not likely unless maybe and offshore account in retail... areas of concern are panama, caymen islands, and lichtenstein, austria and bahammas... but bet very few have offshore accounts in retail here.... not sure about canada though..
in my opinion...
Imirish...
lonewolf
who ever they are.... I am not sure one could call pummeling with trades of 1000, 5000 types pummeling... that is a really small number... but I am sure many peeps want to see subpenny to reload, and I mean retail, day traders and such.... the mm's could care less... in my opinion...
Imirish...
bagfull
I don't know about your information on so called shorts, but I hear this all over every board as an excuse for a downward pps....
I know for a fact that retail can't short a stock below $5.00 with a few very small exceptions on a very very few brokerage companys allowing $3.00... again very very few...
this idea of everything being short is just not the case... market makers can short to make a market in a stock, but if anyone thinks that the shorting is for anyother purpose other than a corrupt pipe deal and naked shorting as a combination then they are in my opinion totally incorrect....
in a pipe deal that is skewed to corrupt naked shorting skemes this can be done... but unless the company in question has gone to one of those types of funding agents then blatant shorting of a stock selling in this pps range is just fiction... that is the difference, so if sfnn has done some kind of pipe deal within the last year or so I suspect that shorting is not an issue with the present pps situation... in my opinion...
Imirish...
bottom
exactly
Imirish...
lucy
then I think we all should hope for that 3 bottom....
I for one am in with a foot or so... lol
Imirish...
Pnew
u have email
Imirish...
lucy
that would be a great thing if that .008 was hit again...
then I suspect we will turn the corner ... then and only then in my opinion... I think many are waiting on the sidelines for that don't you...
Imirish...
bagfull
you could be right but I think that a better possible is my senerio a blowdown then up move... good luck ...we will see..
Imirish...
bagfull
could look at it as if that .01 is breached today a blowoff to april 5 low at least because those peeps want to get their money out for restart... then maybe a new upmove... I would say now that that is what may indeed happen here...in my opinion
Imirish...
Iwantmoney
thanks for your opinion... afterall that is all we really have... I think I will hold off on buying here until ..
Imirish...
Iwantmoney
but are you expecting a round trip at all to subpenny land..
just wonder what peeps here are thinking...
Imirish...
? for anyone
is anyone expecting to see that april 5 low of .008 today.. just wondering if we are about to see a complete round trip from then...
Imirish..
deldestino
if I might add to the don't do the preferred list here with some thoughts...
go to PNEW's unofficial pole of questions on preferred and the company dealings with its long suffering shareholders for some info on this..
1.) only about 9% of the respondants said they were going to or thinking of taking the prefer... let go with the 2500 or so shareholders I have read in a release somewhere, that is only about 225 taking the deal...
2.) on the pole , 54% say they have less than 1 million shares... with 30 % having between 1 to 3 million now using this as a unscientific basis , just guessing that amount of shares available for certs and prefer would be in the area of about 60 mm or so if one goes with the premiss of usc cowboys post on raging bull tonight, of the total our our shareholders share amount of 200 million....
now we have to take a leap of faith that the real o/s is about 815 which by the actions of 4 failed attempts in the last year or so to bring down the share count to that level and the release that used that infamous number of 800 million to show as an example to us on the preferred deal... which I think is or somewhere in the real area of what is needed to get the real share count down to that 815 level... slip of the tongue so to speak... in my opinion of course... this is not going to make a real dent to help that 815 level needed as per pa... so what is the next deal if this preferred doesn't work?
I think we are already in gameplan 6... our pps is telling us that is the next move.... fill in the blanks on that... could another hard 6mo move be that answer, who the h e l l knows anymore but one thing for sure is soon and sharecount seem to work together.. in my opinion.... nothing more nothing less..
Imirish...
lucy
thanks... really looks like eastern southern california ...
Imirish...
lucy
the picture on your sight.. where is that... looks like california... but where..
Imirish...
Rap
thanks...
Imirish...
Rpapsodyinbluze
question if you don't mind... who is " the Gold Club"?
sight?
thanks
Imirish..
seeclear
are u out there ...
Imirish...
scaper
"I am up in the air on this one,and need more faith in the company before certing and sending in..."
say liquid and up in the air... this is a nondisclosing pinko that has uttered the famous words "soon" almost a year ago... soon has not been... don't do it... make them do the right thing and ungag and file first to show good faith... tying yourself up with a pinko for 5 years in my opinion is not smart... until they do what is needed... the pps is telling you something....
in my opinion...
Imirish...