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The grumbling starts.
Intel better be careful. There are options now.
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,988519,00.asp
Well done, Intel. All things considered.
Tenchu, what is involved in regression stress testing?
Paul
OT: chipguy, that is a totally absurd interpretation of what I wrote. Language is a dynamic beast, constantly changing, and the phrase no longer means in any way shape or form what it once did, except perhaps in the minds of our elders who experienced the widespread use of the phrase in its original form. To try to tack that meaning on what I said is wrong. In any case, since it's caused a small ruckus here, I regret having chosen the phrase and will not comment on this any further in the interest of getting things back on topic.
Paul
EP, you're right, of course. Forgive me, I misspoke(miswrote?). Delay or withholding would be more accurate. Heard someone else mention recall and it subconsciously stuck.
Paul
Tenchu, do you have any thoughts on what the most likely culprit could be for the recall?
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sgolds, yes, I realize that the term originated that way, but I commonly hear it used in conversation with no racist connotation anymore(intended or inferred). I think perhaps it has lost this connotation because of the phrase "Great White Way". In any case, I couldn't think of another phrase off the cuff that would convey the same tone. Thanks for the reminder, though. There's not a racist bone in my body, so sometimes how certain things may be heard just doesn't even occur to me.
Paul
From tecchannel's "Themen Vorschau" (Upcoming Articles)
am 22.04.: AMDs Opteron im Test
Im tecCHANNEL-Labor schnurrt seit einigen Tagen ein Dual-Opteron-System. Lesen Sie, wie sich AMDs Hoffnungsträger als 32-Bit-Workstation und als 64-Bit-Server schlägt.
Please forgive the translation. My technical German isn't perfect.
on the 22nd of April:
Test of AMD's Opteron
A dual Opteron system has been rattling around tecCHANNEL's labs for a number of days. Read how AMD's "great white hope"(literally "hope carrier") performs as both a 32-bit workstation and a 64-bit server.
Paul
Why would an event in New York be cancelled because of SARS? I don't know whether or not there were any folks flying in from the Orient, but they certainly wouldn't be the folks who would have the most impact for an Opteron launch. I suspect either digitimes got it wrong, or there was some local event planned. But it certainly is possible.
Paul
First XP-M laptop I've noticed. Sharp Mebius.
http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2003/0415/mobile199.htm
Paul
Keith, I think they're just referring to cancelling a conference in Taiwan, which would be a legitimate concern. As far as I know, the main event is still in New York on April 22.
Paul
Well, at least aceshardware.com and tecchannel.de will have dual Opteron reviews up on the 22nd. I'm sure others will as well, it's just certain on these two. Tecchannel.de will probably have it posted first, at least of these two.
Paul
EP et al, looks like you can put to rest your concerns about the Opteron launch date, since it seems to already be available through distributors now. My only concern is that it's only 240 and 242 that are available now, with 244 to come in May. Now that may mean only a week or two behind, but who knows? The other thing is the frequency question. Does 240 = 1.4GHz and 242 = 1.6GHz or is it 1.6 and 1.8GHz? 1.8 and 2.0GHz are probably wishful thinking.
Paul
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8900
EP, doesn't PCI-Express require a licensing fee? That's a big reason for aHT to succeed over PCI-Express. Every penny counts when it comes to hardware costs. That and the fact that aHT already has a good foothold, not only in motherboards, but in the networking equipment world. Seems to me that their end uses were somewhat different as well, aHT being more a chip-to-chip system and PCI-Express being more for peripherals/expansion slots, right?
Paul
Any comments/thoughts on the last 2 questions/answers in Dirk's interview?
http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1103-995915.html
Keith, I doubt it's anything that grand. More likely it's just the new "C1" stepping of nForce2 that's said to be more stable at high FSBs and officially supports 400FSB. A number of sites have been talking about it, ocworkbench.com and vr-zone.com, to name two.
http://www.ocworkbench.com/ocwbcgi/newspro/viewnews.cgi?newsid1049706093,65013,
http://www.vr-zone.com/#2931
SZ, care to define the causal relationship?
Paul
Tenchu et al. re: Quantispeed.
As I believe Mr. Shakespeare wrote, "Methinks the lady doth protest too much"!
Paul
CJ, I agree on the strained silicon part, I was just curious if any of the lessons they learned from the SOI part might be things they could apply now.
Paul
wbmw, you might as well face it, y'all have already lost this battle. Although everyone admits it's imperfect, AMD's Quantispeed ratings are widely accepted by those who matter(OEMs, hardware reviewers and customers) as being legitimate. Yes, they have adjusted the formula as new models come and conditions change, but they have generally been fairly conservative and not in any danger of the abuse that Cyrix(?) employed.
Paul
CJ, you don't think that since Hammer is their only current SOI product, that they're likely to be applying lessons learned here in Athlon64?
Paul
Looks like AMD's been busy! Notice the "unveiling" date. Perhaps this explains A64 intro date?
"AMD claims 30% transistor performance breakthrough"
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=8673
Of course you can, Elmer. Not precisely, to be sure, but you can get a darn good idea between availability of different speeds on the market and the OC frequencies attained by OCers on different speed ranges.
Paul
wbmw et al, I'm finding it astonishing that you're giving AMD a hard time about Barton's rating being higher than a higher-clocked Tbred after what Intel did with the original Pentium 4(getting smoked in most things by the PIII 1.13GHz)!
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Yeah, I figured as much. EOM
Ugh! What's with the funky pink background?
IT does eliminate duplicated and opposing efforts, though. People's time costs money.
Paul
wbmw, I suspect that they've come a long way since July 24, 2001, the date of the presentation CJ posted. Known any other communication protocols or architecture to stand still for that long in today's world?
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wbmw, edgarcayce - I think the truth is somewhere between the extremes you have submitted. I must admit, though, that it's probably a little closer to the case that wbmw made in this post, though not perhaps in his practice. Edgar, take wbmw, EP, Tenchu and Semiconeng for what they are - knowledgable (sometimes) people who frequently bring useful info to the board and provide the devil's advocate view, which helps us maintain balance and avoid "irrational exuberance". There are others here who also are knowledgable, but who have a blind spot to reality when it comes to AMD. Learn to sift through them all and you can get a fairly balanced picture.
Paul
wbmw, you assume it's a causal relationship with Intel being the cause. Don't you think it more likely that Appro's design folks and customer needs are the cause(s) for the similarity?
OT - BUGGI, I just got a DUT3C that is 1 week older than yours. JIUHB0308SPMW. Strange thing is that I set it to default voltage in BIOS before swapping CPUs, then when I went back to set it to "manual" to step up the voltage, I was surprised to see it was set at 1.50V default. I haven't had time to see how high it'll go yet, I have to zap the 5th L3 bridge to enable my higher(13+) multipliers, since I don't want to push my PCI any higher than the 138FSB /4 sets it at. It's encouraging to hear your progress, though, if it were hugely different, they wouldn't both have the identical lot # (except week).
Paul
chipguy, Athlon didn't initially snag any tier-1 OEMs in the consumer space either, but anyone who tries to represent Athlon as anything but a resounding success for AMD(albeit with a few snags along the way), is just being dishonest. I'm confident Opteron and A64 will do the same; maybe along a different, more unorthodox path than Intel takes, but that's alright. They've already had some prestigious wins which, granted, are not volume situations, but AMD can take a different path to success in the server/workstation/etc. market than Intel and others and be very successful. Unconventional warfare, if you please. ;)
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yb, obviously we're really getting close. Chris Tom has been trying to get his hands on one for a long time now, and he's right there in Austin. So if they're letting him do this, the unveiling is imminent.
Paul
subzero, you'd best get off such insulting and valueless posts here, or you'll quickly find them disappearing.
Pal
yb, nice, that'll do well for you! eom
c't says Win 2003 Server to be introduced Apr21. In German.
Paul
http://www.heise.de/ct/03/07/026/
spokeshave, actually they broke it down into three, eros=erotic love, phileo=brotherly love(as in the City of Brotherly Love), and agape=Christ-like love, or like that of a parent for their child, etc.
Paul
Potent cabinet! 6 ft., 80 dual Opteron.
Paul
http://news.com.com/2100-1010-993548.html?tag=fd_top
edgarcayce, where'd you hear that? I heard Cisco bought Linksys, not Newisys!
Paul
interesting Opteron/Opteron sytem price info; validity unknown. Anyone know NTSI? Found on aceshardware(Chauch0 posted)
Paul
http://www.ntsi.com/quotes/Last20.asp