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That would be the Stockholm Syndrome conclusion and it's entirely legit. What about Iran, though? They've been living under rule by a harsh group of clerics for decades and have empowered citizens to be some sort of morality police and they still protested.
Let's take a break from you guys calling each other names about American domestic politics and talk about Israel!
The other day I was walking around the Upper East Side in Manhattan and saw obviously beefed up security in front of a well-known Jewish day school as well as 2 synagogues. I'm sure that some nerdy Jewish kids at a religious school (not Hasidim, they dress like anyone else) are hindering the efforts of Palestinians to establish statehood and need to be dealt with.
This is the problem with conflating Israel with Jews, just ask sortagreen. That is the reason that after Israel acts poorly that Jews in Paris and Buenos Aires and Brooklyn get attacked. I was shocked to see when you - FUAGF - in response to something positive I wrote about Israel ,the other day, asked me if I, too, thought Jews were the chosen people, if that was my rationale. That is insulting to anyone with a pulse.
And it's just as bad to conflate Hamas with the Palestinians, or so it seems. In the past year there have been large scale demonstrations against their own governments in Israel, S. Korea, Iran, Poland, France (of course), Georgia (the country), et al with protestors risking jail, beatings and death. Don't see any mention of Gazans demonstrating against Hamas, however, at all. (see Global Protest Tracker, Carnegie Endowment for Peace)
I can only think of 3 reasons that might be. One, Gazans are cowards. Two, it's the Stockholm Syndrome on a grand scale. Three, they support Hamas. While I"m sure they're not cowards, the other two are plausible.
Exactly. So let's have some more screeds about how apartheid is evil in some places and in other places we'll just ignore it. That doesn't make it right anywhere but consistency is nice, too.
The police brutality, Jim Crow, redlining, the KKK, voter suppression, racially biased sentencing for crimes, Christian Nationalism, all that shit was in the past (hah) so now let's scold other places about their oppressive systems and demand they change.
By the way in answer to one of your previous posts, I do think I'm very special and if you don't think you are, I suggest therapy.
So, we know this guy who just got out of prison, where he was being held for beating his wife (repeatedly). And the weird thing is that now he insists on trying to give other couples advice on their marriages. Obviously he has no credibility in this area and we think he's just trying to divert attention from his own past misdeeds.
That guy is you.
https://www.aljazeera.com/features/2022/6/9/the-aboriginal-australians-killed-by-police
https://news.un.org/en/story/2023/04/1135827
Fucking Zionists strike again:
https://www.dw.com/en/australias-indigenous-voice-referendum-fails/a-67095692
"Australia on Saturday rejected a proposal to recognize Indigenous people in the constitution"
Where's Hamas when you need them?
"Throughout Australian history, the Indigenous peoples of Australia have faced severe restrictions on their political, social, and economic freedoms, and suffered genocide, forced removals, and massacres, and continue to face discrimination." - wikipedia
"He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"
I don't think I actually believe in God, but if I did I'm pretty sure I would think that we all are God's chosen people. Although, of course, no one can be chosen if everyone is.
I see you're bored with my act as I've seen you in the past pretty much getting bored with the acts of everyone who has different opinion than yours. Which might account for the lack of diversity of opinion on this board, eh?
Bye bye and good luck with finding a house after you give yours back to the Aboriginal people who used to own the land you live on. I'm sure you can agree that your wisdom, in truth, is worth nothing.
You miss the point. I'm not rationalizing anything, I'm trying to understand why Israel has been singled out for such opprobrium for behavior that is similar to what other countries are doing. Trying to understand something is not rationalizing it. And you have nothing to offer by way of explanation except for the same old tropes. Is me having a different opinion than yours the problem?
Are you BDSing China, which has a far worse human rights record? Gonna stop buying shit at Walmart because it's all made over there and you don't wan't to support the regime?
The other day, I posted a link to a Human Rights Watch document that listed the areas with the worse human rights abuses, currently, and Israel / Palestine didn't make the top 10.
The Sahel, Congo, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, where is your concern about any of them and why is Israel so much worse? Are you posting about the situation in Congo on some other board or leading discussions about it on this one? Why not?
United Nations report, 10.03.23:
“Our report shows that the overwhelming majority of risk factors for future atrocity crimes are present in Ethiopia, including ongoing serious violations, widespread violence and instability, and deeply entrenched impunity.” Etc.
You are correct in that at least Israelis had some place to go when Hamas warned them about their upcoming attacks.
And you know what? If Hamas releases the hostages this problem will disappear. It's not ok for either side to use civilians in this way, but maybe I missed it, I haven't seen your criticisms of Hamas for using human shields as regularly as your criticisms of Israel for doing the same.
I disapprove of this situation but, then again, I would never have fired 3000 rockets indiscriminately at Israel and murdered Israeli children and have expected any different results.
Whatever, bro. Nice job of never putting anything into context.
Just ask Indians and African Americans if America is your shining democracy on the hill. I guess you consider the police atrocities against minorities here to be just the way non-violent, non-repressive, non-apartheid governments operate.
That's what I mean by context, but you seem to not get it or aren't interested in it.
I'll never understand how you guys living in domestically oppressive countries, like just about everywhere, decided to get up on your high horses and demand that Israel act in some idealized version of your own imperfect situations. It's what I believe is called a double standard.
Actually, if you look at the devastation caused by Israeli bombs you can see that it's selective. Last night on the news I saw Gazans being taken to a hospital there and the hospital was unharmed. Unlike Hamas, which wants to kill indiscriminately for the sake of killing, Israel is at least trying to spare some things. Granted, not always successfully.
Hamas hid artillery and stockpiled weapons in residential areas and buildings. It's too bad they have to be destroyed but what's your idea as an alternative?
A cease fire will reward Hamas. War is hell.
Ok, Israel is not a democracy, neither is America.
Was Australia a democracy before 1962?
If you posted this as an observation, it's an old one. If you have a point what is it?
Well, apparently, according to legend, when Israel pulled out of Gaza a few years ago, they left behind commercial grade greenhouses and irrigation systems. Which Hamas dismantled and scavenged for parts for bombs or whatever.
Yes, Israelis should employ Palestinians, as many as possible and as soon as possible. I'd venture a guess that workers with decent salaries, paid vacations, health benefits, pensions, whatever, would be less likely to feel driven to create havoc.
Not Hamas, though, they only live to die.
Well, we'll see. It's possible that one of the motivations of the Hamas attack was to attempt to derail the progress that's being made between Israel and its Arab neighbors. I think we're probably hearing more about the plight of the Palestinians from Americans today than in the Middle East. Not sure that this one quote makes it so, though, one person is a pretty small sample size:
“The Arab world has too many problems to still care about Palestine,”
What's going on with all this? Obviously the Palestinians deserve equal rights, their own state, etc., but it seems like the surrounding countries might be fed up with trying to deal with their leadership. Continuously inciting people to violence is not a forward looking strategy and what jobs has Hamas created other than martyrs? It worked for bin Laden, but maybe people are getting tired of their limited choices for careers.
The people shouldn't be punished for the corruption of their leadership, but what's the workaround here? If you give money to Hamas how do you prevent it from going to rockets or apartments in Europe, instead of schools? It's definitely FUBAR, and now the people on both sides are suffering for it. Look, Bibi's hardly better, he's responsible too for the attack a couple of days ago.
Israel has some of the best desalination technology on the planet and fresh water is crucial, especially in countries like those in the Middle East. I've heard it called the new oil and believe I've read somewhere that Israel is a net exporter of fresh water. So for leaders with zero-sum mentalities are they going to want to partner with groups like Hamas that have nothing to offer to anyone or with a reliable provider of fresh water? Not saying it's right or ethical or moral, but what relations between any countries are?
Except Hamas hasn't taken root, most Palestinians would much prefer to live in peace with their neighbors and vice versa.
They are a terrorist faction that has taken over the governance of a country much in the way that, say, Idi Amin did or the way the Taliban is now doing. I wouldn't argue with you if you put Bibi in that category, too. Hamas hasn't allowed elections since about 2007 and doesn't represent the will of the people. To me, they seem as happy causing death of Palestinians who disagree with them as they do of Israelis.
Sharon in 1973? Wasn't the US in the midst of trying to pacify Vietnam about then? I don't think Americans, or anyone, should be held accountable for some irresponsible, ghastly, things that their leaders said 50 years ago.
"Hamas security forces have also used violence against known Fatah members, especially those who had worked in the Fatah-run security services of the Palestinian Authority (PA)." - Human Rights Watch
It's a distinction without a difference:
"Your vaunted storm troopers"
From Miriam Webster:
"The meaning of STORM TROOPER is a member of a private Nazi army notorious for aggressiveness, violence, and brutality."
So, no, you didn't call me a Nazi, but a Nazi sympathizer, yes.
You claim to be anti-Zionist but are you cool with the Islamic Republic or is there some other message board where you rant against it too?
You know nothing about me or what I believe yet have no problem being personally insulting and think you actually do know (somehow) what I believe. Actually, I'm a proponent of a two state solution. I think that all along, if Israel had, for example, built factories in the territories and employed Palestinians, a lot of the troubles could have been forestalled. I'm more into soft power than whatever you think I'm into, exchange students, cultural exchanges, and other ways for people to get to know "the other".
While I've tried to explain to you, repeatedly, that I'm looking for context and don't support various Israeli policies, you seem determined to pigeonhole me into some sort of villain you can battle.
But I see the way you've responded, on this board, over time, to people who have different opinions than you about domestic issues and it's the same. You call names and are insulting. It's all the signs of lazy thinking and intellectual intolerance. Grow up, please.
Ask yourselves how this money has been used by Hamas to improve the life of Palestinians:
https://www.euronews.com/2023/10/12/from-crypto-to-charity-hamas-funded-by-hundreds-of-millions-of-dollars
https://www.coindesk.com/consensus-magazine/2023/10/11/hamas-has-raised-millions-in-crypto-donations-wsj/
Putting aside the settlements, which are BAD, it's so much easier to blame Israel for all of the negative quality of life issues in Palestine. Maybe if Hamas took a break from trying to destroy Israel they could find some time to build schools, factories, infrastructure, they certainly seem to have had the money.
But then again, by controlling the media, world governments and global economies, historically, bad things have always been the Jews' fault. I'm just trying to understand how different this situation is.
Seriously, are you Satmar? I rarely run across Jews, otherwise, who are so anti-Israel. It's like you're uninterested in nuance. Israel bad! Have you noticed almost no condemnation of Israel throughout the Arab world? Most of those countries want to make nice with Israel.
Didn't Jordan control the West Bank until 1968 or whenever? Where were the calls for a Palestinian state during that era? Again, Hamas didn't storm the settlements, which I could kind of see. How did they advance any cause whatsoever by murdering kibbutzniks?
Whose fault is it that Rimal is being bombed into rubble? Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
My "vaunted storm troopers"? We're done here, you're not a reasonable whatever you are. If you can't attack the idea, you attack the person, right?
I'm not aware of a Gaza state. When I Googled it, I got this:
"Together, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank make up the State of Palestine"
from Wikipedia
In an op-ed in today's NY Times, a Gaza Strip resident and guest columnist refers to "the upscale Rimal neighborhood of Gaza City". I expect you'll write the Times a letter explaining that this guy doesn't know what he's talking about, that it's all an open air prison, a concentration camp. And where do those upscale residents shop, and go out to eat, etc?
What percentage of the billions in aid that Hamas receives every year is spent on schools, hospitals, infrastructure as compared to tunnels, bombs, and other weaponry?
Is the US a democracy with gerrymandering, voter suppression, and, basically, minority rule?
Is every state having the same number of Senators regardless of size a characteristic of Democracy? How about the Electoral College and a Supreme Court with a majority of justices appointed by people who lost the popular vote?
Be consistent, please.
You're fucking kidding me, right? Let the Jews return to their homes in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, from which they were expelled in the mid 20th century.
Let me return to the home in Poland where my family lived for generations before pogroms forced them to flee. Let the Aborigines return to the homes you stole from them and let the Native Americans return to the homes we destroyed.
It's hard to tell if you're serious about this but this is an unsupportable opinion in the actual, real world. By your logic, those other countries couldn't be Islamic if they had a sizable population of Jews, but that's ok, amirite?
Just guessing that Israel helps keep the Strait of Hormuz open and that allows oil in tankers to reach us.
Also just guessing that they've infiltrated the upper echelons of the governments of some hostile countries, how much do you think Stuxnet should have been worth?
Again, you, too, fall into the trap of thinking that American aid to Israel is spent on anything besides American made munitions.
I would argue that Hamas is as much of an oppressor of Palestinians as Israel is. Hamas is a nihilistic death cult and the citizens of Gaza are their hostages. What don't you understand about their covenant calling for the death of Jews everywhere?
'Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it.' (Preamble)
'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7)
Apparently this isn't hyperbole, maybe it's me but I didn't see any qualifiers in this Covenant that would make exceptions for great treatment of Palestinians.
I didn't mention NYC, just Manhattan. It's a little (a lot) less dense in the other boroughs, which is why I didn't include them. I'm not saying it's not dense just that people have shown they can work with density and I'm unclear why population density is so often an issue used about Gaza.
You can call it nit picking or you can call it dealing with facts. I haven't noticed the population density of Manhattan negatively impacting peoples' lives there, per se. Sure, maybe looking for parking places on the street or getting into the latest trendy restaurants but otherwise not so much. And if you take Central Park and a bunch of lesser parks into consideration, the population should be thought of as even denser.
As for the map thing, you posted that map of Israel's expansion throughout the years, I responded to that, and now you're writing that I started that whole discussion?
Please don't think I'm justifying Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, in general, I think it's abhorrent. It a strange thing, though, to try to figure out what Hamas' endgame is in all this. If it's not a regional conflagration, I don't know what it is. But by hiding munitions in civilian locations and with this latest attack, and knowing what it would bring in reprisals, it might be argued that Hamas is causing the death of at least as many Palestinians as is Israel.
Hamas fired, what, like 3000 rockets at Israel. Their rockets have been known to misfire in great numbers so we can't be sure how many of their own rockets are killing their own people. Israel's Iron Dome is likely saving Palestinians, too.
One more thing, then I'll be gone again, I promise.
If Egypt has closed its borders to the Gazans and is blockading the Strip, too, then it's hardly a Muslims vs Jews thing. However, if you take a look at Hamas' Charter, it calls for murdering Jews everywhere, not just in Israel, so maybe that's why they attacked Israel, but not Egypt, over all this.
There are a lot of things I don't want my tax money going for, also, but them's the lumps. We give Israel money, but it's mandated to be spent on American goods, mostly military stuff. So, like a lot of foreign aid, it's more like a money laundering situation - we give them public (taxpayer) money, they take a cut and then repatriate the money and it's turned into private industry profits.
America doesn't support Israel for the love of Jews. Israel apparently plays a crucial role for us in the Middle East and we're paying for those services.
The Gaza Strip is about 140 square miles, roughly twice the size of Washington, D.C, and is home to about 2 million people. By contrast, Manhattan Island, NYC, is about 22.5 square miles and is home to about 1.6 million people.
Putting the entrance and exit issues aside, I'm not sure how Gaza, then, is described as "some of the densest concentration of people in the world". I'm well aware that you didn't coin the phrase but still not sure what it means, exactly and how it's gotten so much traction.
What the fuck are you talking about? This is why I previously left, too much stupid snark trying to be passed off as worthwhile commentary. If you write something intelligent, no one will hold it against you.
Hamas intentionally puts its citizens in harms way and you pretend it's all Israel's doing. How does this promote peace and a Palestinian state? They didn't attack the settlements, genius, that could maybe be understood a little. These were murders ala ISIS, just to create terror.
Were you in any of the demonstrations, cheering on the butchery? Your people, enjoy.
You like maps, how do you like this one?
https://brilliantmaps.com/indigenous-australia/#:~:text=The%20Theft%20And%20Return%20Of%20Australian%20Indigenous%20Land%201788%20To%202013,-Last%20Updated%3A%20March&text=The%20map%20above%20shows%20that,of%20virtually%20all%20their%20land.
Australian reparations to the Aboriginal people amounts to less than $1 million per year spread over the duration of their occupation. How very white of you guys.
Yup it's the fucking Zionists:
https://www.rescue.org/article/top-10-crises-world-cant-ignore-2022
Israel / Palestine doesn't make their top ten, but, you know, Jews control the media, anyway.
Charity begins at home:
https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2023/country-chapters/australia#2c9b66
Those maps of the Palestinian loss of land are cherry picking in the extreme, but so clever! Not to excuse it at all, but now do American Indians and the colonies. How about Germany, Belgium, France carving up Africa and Spain in Central America? England in India and the Caribbean and Australia. You cool with all that?
Context is important. Your outrage is selective and revealing.
Remember a couple of years ago, when they signed up a supposed game changing partner in Ecuador? Which was really located in Brooklyn? It's the same old same old with Kay and it's getting old.
As for the Spanish speakers, they might be children (or grandchildren) of Central American immigrants and they spoke Spanish in the home.
It's beyond baffling why people continue to take Mark Kay at his word. They closed a multi-million dollar deal recently? Proof, please - this has to be the only publicly traded company on the planet that has had NDAs for every one of its supposed deals forever.
This guy lies continuously and you all know that he does, yet here you are using something he said as proof of something. Fool me once, etc.
I'm sure you are much smarter than I am. I mean, most really smart people are so insecure that they have to go around telling others that they're the smartest guy in the room. And thank goodness you do, because it's not really otherwise apparent. We're lucky to be in the presence of greatness, or maybe that's grate-ness.
What entertainment is to be had here, genius? This is a mighty low bar for someone such as yourself who might be otherwise better entertained writing about quantum computing or playing chess against various grandmasters.
VERB? Lotsa smart money piling into that one.
Your last sentence doesn't compute. You've never put any money into ZRFY or SFOR (I assume), yet you circle around to regularly demonstrate that you're smarter and know better than the people who have lost money here?
I suppose we should be honored to be in the presence of yet another anonymous stock board genius, but on the other hand, you seem exactly the sort that the phrase, "get a life" was designed for.
Why would management do either a or b? Your assumption is that they give a hoot about shareholders, when they've shown repeatedly that they don't. I'm not sure I understand why some of you persist in believing they are honest actors. Everything's working out fine for them as things are, so from their points of view, if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Don't remain in abusive relationships.
And? If your purpose in posting this is to imply that the same thing could happen with ZRFY then it's more or less a ploy to hype share price. Why would you even post about it, otherwise?
Tupperware is a global brand that's become a generic term for any plastic containers with clasping lids. ZRFY not so much, it's not even widely known in central NJ. TUP is owned by over 140 institutions, the count for ZRFY is 0.
I have no idea why TUP price crashed so much this year or why it's bouncing back. Your stock picking prowess is duly noted.
I'm still not understanding on what basis you would think this stock will appreciate, why you think there is any hope. Because a compulsive liar is claiming some deals are in progress?
They are in the business of providing solutions for which there are no problems. And selling shares
TUP has 160 institutional owners, it makes one of the most iconic brands on the planet. There's always a stock that zooms up, it's never ZRFY, though.
For the life of me, I cannot understand why people are still attempting to parse recent statements by Mark Kay, as if he hasn't proven himself to be a compulsive / serial / habitual liar.
Just to be clear, there are no deals and there will be no revenue. From his point of view, if it ain't broke why fix it?
By the way, Bo Dietl's company website is still, as of yesterday, touting their anti-keylogging software as a way to secure computers. And we can be sure that he either did or did not buy the patents from SFOR, that he either did or did not pay for them, and that SFOR either did or did not receive money from him
You cannot believe both that ZRFY will come through in a meaningful way for investors and that you are a rational person. The choice is binary.