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I thought it interesting of why you posted this , as to its reason for posting.
Just words, thats all. Absolutely no validity as far as it relates to progress and rediness.
Package engneering? Look back at late 1990's package. Nothing new whatsover.So its been ready 12-15 years with same packaging. Just not used or produced any packets.
Not one claim made by PHAR has been tested by 3rd party for validity, not someones word taking a sample, but FDA validated testing at a facility that checks for lies about claims on a product.
What is quality control research completed? What play on words is that?
That is a part of FDA inspection and validity. HOWARD will have to have in place all the detailed QC regs. and personell specifically trained and will have to be approved and in place before operation. Complete logging of every process and testing with documentation done by trained QC..THIS CANT BE COMPLETED .
The research means nothing for current rediness, any inhouse testing means nothing as far as current rediness, package enginnering shouldnt be news as its the same pack with same retro looking wording from years back.
If the QC research refers to learning from this ( link below) then hopefully just words or trying to operate in a half ass manner wont cut it.
WORDS are just that until CEO shows he has the ability to back up these words and they can be validated.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/ICECI/EnforcementActions/WarningLetters/1997/UCM066003.pdf
Hey Vladimirr ,hope you are well.. Quick question. That does include the $87,000 down payment correct?
Of course without filings or methods to contact owner to see what has changed from initial purchase plans to now the month by month to landlord rent payments, are you of the opinion that at this stage now, PHAR has any rent prepaid left?
Again no way to answer , but still always appreciate your take.
GLTU
Hey Zeropenny, Might be one of the better posts ive seen in a while.
If cant stand on own merit this far into , it will surely fail, just a matter of how fast.
IMO one thing got us here, the phrase "lack of transparency and complete disclosure to investors"
Only the CEO HOWARD can remove the LACK OF in that phrase and make the sweeping changes needed to PROVE transparency. Investors will stay longer only when this happens and will invest more.
With the past two private attempts failing with investors burned and this public try being operated the same , i dont see it happening. Paid promo to me reeks of pink stink desparation.
Take care and again well put post
Hey Reh Billz, Long time. I would imagine they will ask for the money up front for service.
Your glowing recommendation of PHAR/HOWARD is not going to be a part of the promotion is it?
Take care friend and GLTU
Hey pharce buster, Howard i think has had an addiction to embellishing the facts over the years to try and gain investors, both private and public.
He IMO would have been better letting AQUAPRIN stand on its merit if justified rather than deciept to elevate it.
NO WAY whatsover did Howard develope advanced formulations of these products. You dont develope advance formualations of these drugs owned by huge pharmaceuticals and not have patents to show for it Again no records of that .. He would be a billionare if so.
In the web portion about Howards embellishments he claims 20 patents awarded in nuclear and pharma industries. I have uncovered only one patent at PATENT data base, the applicator. He has AQUAPRIN on a patent "pending", and re news it once it expires back to patent pending status.
Glatt AIR Tech founded in Germany
Granutech founded 5yrs prior to Howard
MPT that HOWARD says he founded went public in 1983. How did that public offering go. No data anywhere.
HOWARD would be so much better just telling the truth. But many people get rich convincing others to give them money on their claims and they lead a good life.. Just im sure have to take meds to sleep at night.
Pain med market estimate according to WEB PAGE and PHAR/HOWARD is 10 billion dollars in US and HOWARD expects PHAR to capture 10% of that market in US 1 billion dollars. Yet you cant produce your own sample packs of the product. I dont have a problem with a little white lie here and there, or little fuzzy math,,, but my goodness, what the hel_ kind of lie is that giving that kind of estimate?? ITS TOTALLY RIDICULOUS, BUT SOUNDS GOOD TRYING TO FISH FOR INVESTORS.
GLTU
Hey Surfguy i know what your saying, and your opening line says a lot about you. THOSE BUYING "AGAIN" at current SP and good luck to all.
You are exactly right about financing. KEY , but can only be a bandaid if business model and operation remains the same. You wont secure needed continued capital by money investors that are bigger than we are on this board.
I can 100% say for sure this has happened. I have a group of investors that was large enough collectively to have fully funded PHASE 1. Never would any investor putting large amounts of money in that does investigative research and DD in PHAR PAST AND PRESENT,, risk it. My group said zero chance of further entance.
Maybe HOWARD can pull a rabbit out. When i pull my laptop out daily and i get this pale nausuated feeling when i check PHAR, i realize its all based on LUCK NOW.. Its nice on your investments that you have done homework, it passed your tests for the most part, and you expect green, and the reds you accept as economy related, NOT FALSE PRS.
GLTU
With respect MakersMarker, BS always comes out both ends (of the wide range of fact and fiction) and it has been and will continue to happen due to lack of transparency from CEO.
I do hope the best for all. I as well know that survival now depends on the truth found in DD, past ,present to give new investors reason to invest in future.
GLTU
Upticks are good ,no doubt about it, especially for those just getting in .Many are here today ,gone tommorow..
Hopefully there wont be obvious evidence of BIG NEWS that has been insider leaked with specifics to a few individuals that ENTIRE investors did not recieve.
Stay tuned.
All the best GLTU
POST 24307 " I agree and im excited as well, shouldnt be 2much longer till this "BIG NEWS" hits. Quote from Snizzle.
The post your referencing was dealing with IMO serious issues COMING just as you are allowed to look into future.
The references were made to what PHAR did with their PR campaign and who released info. Never said the first few words of forward looking statement of admitting to SEC about fraud was plastered anywhere.. I proposed it will be coming.. Just another way you twist peoples meaning.
But you know what, i want you not to accept that explanation ,,I certainly welcome your choosing to check this. I will stay tuned and ill follow up with OTC newsdesk when you complete findings.
I was lazy in that post by adding the part so on and so on on plastering of distrobution agreement that doesnt exist.
Here is complete list, Bill Chippas show you can access archive and listen to comments on show. (NOT SURE OLD BILL WOULD TAKE TOO KINDLY TO THAT INFO) Others include the list below:
biotec, Investing.Businessweek, Investorpoint,, Finance.optonline,, Newsblaze, Realpennies, ipo.einnews.,, InvestorsnewsFlash.
I will do better at posting to where its not so easy to twist, my bad, and i will work even harder now, than ever, to research and do the DD needed to resolve these issues with such a challenge of integrity from yourself.
Good post, i needed the challenge and let me know how the OTC interview goes and i will follow with any details that they might be interested in and request, if thats ok.
GLTA
Think i have to agree with you SNIZZLE on the BIG NEWS.
Excited though cant imagine that coming from you.
****** O T C MARKET NEWS PRESS RELEASE *************
"PHAR /HOWARD admitt to SEC of fraud in the Distribution aggreement with Alert Medical Supply and Babatunde KUPOLUYI and having it plasterd over MARKET WIRE /REUTERS/BLOOMBERG/YAHOO FINANCIALS PRN NEWSWIRE AND SO ON."
NO CONTRACT
NO 5MIL DOLLAR AGGREEMENT EVER
NOT ONE SINGLE SHARE OF ANY PHAR STOCK BOUGHT OR OWNED BY AMS OR KYPOLUYI.
ALERT MEDICAL SUPPLY HAS NO LISCENSE TO EVEN DISTRIBUTE PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS, ONLY MEDICAL DEVICES AND SUPPLIES
Now thats BIG NEWS coming. And i do think your right ,wont be too long till s_it hits the news.
Great job of twisting the post. BIG EXCITING NEWS COMING has been a theme,,,not"we are all expecting news and developements. HELL weve been expecting that for 6months..
Updates on news and benchmarks that are months overdue, investors are expected to be informed of. Thats not surprising BIG eventful news, its what PHAR as a public company should do in keeping investors informed all along. Dont let the company mire up knee deep in crap and expect this secret little bit of activity, (if thats the (BIG NEWS)to smoothe it out.
No i sure dont have a clue of any news or activity, and i doubt you do. All i know every PR so far is either 100% false or several lies thrown in. SO FOR PHAR TO GAIN TRUST a PR wont cut it on the BIG NEWS COMING STORY.
Hey Waterchaser Truth and knowledge are a good thing in any aspect of life IMO
PHAR/HOWARD has used the term transpareny and complete disclosure many times in PRS from the `start.
Investors have begged and begged HOWARD/PHAR for 6 months to come forward.
Howard/PHAR are totally aware of the majority of investors concerns and has chosen to completely ignore theM.
That is where my issue started, i wouldnt bail ship if told months ago about snags, but lie after lie with the can being kicked down the road by using little tidbits given to one or two is a RED FLAG IMO
Take care GLTU
Just in QUOTE OF THE DAY
Any big news NOT sent through media to all investors that PHAR/HOWARD has leaked to a single investors that uses this publically to promote possible PPS bump, SEC would like to be made aware of details.
If its just some news that we should have seen by now, or expected months ago, that IMO is a little bit of late news ..
This post has merit and is a part of dicussed topic and no names mentioned. Leave the dam_ thing alone as part of IHUB great use of forum
PHAR started the sub penny lows in AUGUST with periods with some slightly above sub penny in OCT. Major PPS tanking started in August as far as dipping during each day sub penny.
IMO that was the breaking point that problems were real, but PRs had no effect.
Have a good weekend
Great subject and post SNIZZLE . This topic your discussing and your qoute is good.
"Exactly where are you seeing this info?? Please share with the PHAR board to enhance the legitimacy of it."
Thats "big news" for all to heed.
Thanks for quote
BIG POSITIVE NEWS COMING SOON!!
Qoute;
Exactly where are you seeing this info??? Please share with the PHAR board to enhance the legitimacy of it.
All is fair in love and war.
I know you aggree with your quote when asking others also applies to all..
GLTU No PA or OT so lets leave it here
A lot of PRs that were released should have initiated a bump. Rollback, distibution, uplisting should have been good bump.Never made any impact. Immediate losses following.
But as we are learning PRs are just a bunch of fraudulent words assembled to spread accross media to decieve.
Why didnt they spark SP before fraud discovered. MGT not delivering on any of promises. IMO
When i spoke of earlier about lack of tranparency hurting PHAR and many things being an insult to ones intelligence , it goes for investors trying to prop up PHAR since its not standing on its on merit.
2K share trade worth a whopping $3. To a new investor, the % gain is a trick and an obvious trick. Whoever does this painting, its doing way more harm than good. If PHAR showed some ability for upticks in past couple of months, then that play will not cause so much negative implication.
JMHO
GLTA
PATIENCE is a relative term, and as far as to how it relates to PHAR Im all used up. I have several stocks and you always have risk. Phar has through the public media been arrogant enough to blatantly decieve and commit fraud. No other way to sugarcoat things. Thats where this difference lies with me, causing me to loose my patience.
I applaud anyone that can play this game and make it, but i as well feel horrible for those getting sucked in with deciept and those having to wait on a miracle or watch and see will i exit in time to have enough to pay commission.
Snizzle you speak of BIG News coming. Its impossible for any big news coming that will show leadership can stay the course.
Calling big exciting news that is just things that in APRIL on business model and PHASE 1 benchmarks that we SHOULD have already seen in progress or completed months ago,, just hearing about those items will not cause the jubilation enough to overlook the fact of INVESTORS are seeing this thing drawn out and so many blatant fraudulent PRS that the Company is operating EXACTLY like a scam pink company that you need hipwaders to wade through all the sh_t.
No news ,and news purposely distributed to play on investors, will overshadow big news coming. News overdue for 6months can not be promoted as BIG AND EXCITING news. For any just buying in, im sure it will be big news. For way to many, its just kicking the can down the road and its an insult to the intellegence of investors that realize what has happened and continues to happen.
Do i want PHAR to sink the ship. ABSOLUTELY NOT But MGT needs to prove they can paddle a canoe before claiming to be in control of a ship. So far, from past private attempts to now, thats not been the case.
GLTU
Hey Ruckmusher, hope all is well. I think the major key on that if you read carefully the PR is HOWARDS quote that he has ALREADY retained LABROZZI and the audit to immediatly start. Says nothing about we are in the process of selecting an auditor.
That is the problem with what HOWARD is doing. So now, when there are no filings, not filings of being even late, loosing CURRENT status to limited with not a single word from the CEO this is what happens.
So its what HOWARD is quoting as fact that is borderline just a lie or blatant fraud. I wish he hadnt chosen the route that he has.
GLTU
Hey EboJR, part of your post hit on a key post for many.
Its the lack of willingness to average down when PPS has been tanking .
Its is the result of the absolute lack of transparency and very blatently fraudulent press releases.
If there was transparency and verifiable progress on PHASEs of business plan, yea i believe many would have jumped harder at ,as you indicate, throwing good money in hoping it wouldnt end up bad.
Any accumilators now are most probably playing it like a scam flipping for a dollar or two.
Take care GLTU
Not going to disaggree. Certainly could kick my --- for trusting .
I do think from some ive met on board are very sharp investors, but like myself, fell for the pitch man with silver hair as being above being a pink scam.
To be honest, never in my wildest dreams when some PRs were coming out did i have a reason to doubt them. My style is to give them allotted time and wait for progress reports.
When that stopped ,i started digging for facts.
Rest is history. GLTU
Great to hear from you Slob, it has been a while. I myself, and i know you as well wish things were different.
This is a post from Oct. trying to get attention to get and literally demand a CC with CEO Howard. I desparetly wanted and as you and i and several have spoken about,, ALL we wanted is for HOWARD to come before investors and deliver facts about the state of the company. IMO we have been totally ignored. Many many GOOD people and very smart investors have gotten burned here @PHAR and have moved on. One way or another i will get answers as to what has happened with our money. Pinks are a risk, thats a given. But that doesnt mean we just rollover and play dead. At least not me, not on this one...
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=67924906
Here are two links
There is two more and i will have to do some digging.
The whistleblower even though its designed to protect identity of person and mainly offer rewards for large fraud issues, they give responses and insight as to the appropriate steps that can be taken.
https://tts.sec.gov/oiea/Complaint.html
http://www.sec.gov/news/press/2011/2011-116.htm
Take care GLTU
Hey Surfguy hope all is well.
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=72648389
Posted this the other day on this matter. All i can say is i have been and always will be a man of my word. I dont play games and right now we are being toyed with like we are investors with zero intellegence.
Just call , be persistant, leave a message and ask MR.Kupoluyi to please return your call. Try a few times first b4 message . He answered the phone directly when i called. Your a CPA and a proffessional and he will respect any way you choose questions to get answers that satisfy you. I didnt ask for an email or ask for his email address. Was a lengthy conversation. My plans are to send a letter of thanks for honesty and verification of facts for my records.
Good luck Surfguy
Your probably right ,you ASSume and it always becomes harder to try and get any kind of picture as to whats going on at PHARMSTAR
Does Pitterra know this? Shouldnt be a secret if PHAR does indeed have new counsel . If you dont mind, let us know what you know .
What could it hurt. Definitly not anything close to insider info.
Thanks GLTU
Hadnt seen the 504 placement numbers in a while. Really was a red flag wake up as to predicament.
Hope PHAR doesnt need another 15k quick . With same discount at present pps would take 25,000,000 shares .
GLTU
If PHAR continues down the path its on, the right combination of events happening to innocent people, enough PHAR shareholders will stand up and finally say, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
As far as anyone or anything that has hurt PHAR, its all been accomplished to perfection by a business plan based on deception and arrogance and fraud. The CEO and MGT are fully responsible for hurting PHAR and investor confidence..not some shareholders that have legitimate reasons to question broken promises.
The SEC DOES 100% get involved in their fraud division if deceptive and fraud acts of decieving the public ARE PUT OUT FOR ALL MEDIA. THIS MIGHT BE AN OTC STOCK, but marketwire, reuters, and PRs that are sent specifically to lie and decieve are criminal acts. If you dont send it out for world to see, thats a different story, they can file, not file, and get by with a lot and SEC doesnt get involved.
Read this link Farmboynate and i ask anyone to ask themselves, how is this NOT a "blatant act" to decieve and commit fraud on innocent people.
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=49611119
To confirm so as to not take my word, call 718-778-1800.Be persistant and you will get through.
Asked the proper information Mr.Babatunde Kupoluyi will without hesitation tell you when asked. Do you have or have had a distibution agreement with PHARMSTAR= NO Do you own any prefferred D or any shares of PHAR as some minority interest=NO
Have you aggreed to purchase 5mil dollars of AQUAPRIN over a set time= no , I have no liscense to even deliver or distribute pharmaceutical products, only medical devices and supplies.
NOT ONE single statement in this PR sent out accross all stock market trading media, not just OTC investors has any truth. All lies and ALL investors should know these things.
I research hard and i find these things, but i wish i didnt find this stuff. BUT CEO is resposible for this, not me , not yourself or anyone else for putting a stop to just being quite.
Take care GLTU
In the whole scheme of things, thats really not too much to ask for.
Well put.
GLTU
Now thats a great suggestion Snizzle for getting to the source.
I think Pharmstar might be headed for the area your suggesting investors to take if they continue to choose the course they are on. Not playing nice, SEC doesnt like fraudulent statements to trick investors.
GlTA
It wouldnt be such a point of contention had it not have been for the CEO from the very start and most of the PRs he puts special emphasis on complete transparency and disclosure.
Most of us that dabble in pinks dont hear that word and we dont expect to and invest accordingly.
Luring traders by claiming to be opposite of most pinks and only trading here temporarily, he used these terms in name only.
Been the complete opposite of transparency and full disclosure.
GLTA
So your in aggreement that there is sufficient evidence for a fraud case against PHAR.
GLTA
Im going to borrow one of your terms if its ok.
All legitimate shareholders, past ,present and future, keep asking for is why NO word now.
No one cares about phsycic readings.
This PR in April and the importance it meant for anyone believing PR and taking a position or adjusting AND now trying to determine what in the hell is the need for the DR.JEKYLL/MR.HYDE routine .
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=47297227
We were limited, went from HOWARD quote in Current INFORMATION back to limited with NO reason given whatsoever. An honest CEO running an honest business doesnt hide behind the fact of having to file or not. He PRd it to gain investors, now with not addressing shareholders in 7months, he is guilty of FRAUD , whether he pleads the fifth, doesnt answer calls or emails is of no value to investors burned that have a right to know.
POINT BLANK INEXCUSABLE
Sorry for your situation, same here.. With just an ounce of skills in Mgt and marketing any new product this should be at par value , as you indicate with no fluff news, just honest updates on phase 1.
Reasons are trying to be covered up but only HOWARD can come forward. No one else can address fraud.
Answer on Alert MEDICAL SUPLLY distribution aggreement with Mr.Babatunde Kupoluyi. 718-778-1800 Quoting a conversation with him, Mr. Kupoluyi has NO distribution aggreement, no shares,common or prefferred nor does ANY distributing of any pharmaceutical drugs at all. Only medical supplies.
Was there a conversation between he and one of PHAR operators, and what the scam was , dont know, but Mr. Kupoluyi has ZERO distribution aggreement nor can didtribute due to liscense to even distibute pharmaceutical drugs.
IMO when things are this blatent, how are investors to trust makebelieve statements of upcoming filings and huge news.
Persistant calls or letter will confirm. Statement i say as you will find are true, not speculative.
Take care, good luck
http://ih.advfn.com/p.php?pid=nmona&article=49611119
Why did HOWARD choose that and why did he sign contract?
Maybe can do a nursing home billboard. That will get more exposure than the millions and millions that watched the UFC title fight in JAPAN in the building with a bunch of rich JAPANESE business men, that HENDERSON won.
Probably right, sort of corny to think a promo of an athelete delivering pain for a product claiming to relieve pain just wouldnt be catchy enough.
GLTU
PATTERN PATTERN pattern is the key word. Whats up with all the third party excuses from the CEO ?
Just doesnt make for sustainable way for running an operation when you have too many trying to run the operation with NOBODY having any accountabilty.
GLTU
Yea really is an issue. The issue is just like past 2 private attempts that took private investors money WHAT HAPPENED, WHY?
What makes this attempt different when business model being operated the same.
MAYBE YOU DONT CARE. Proud for you.
But HOWARD/PHAR pulling the old "THIRD PARTY" trick so as not to pay for services seems to be a "pattern" starting for this CEO. Remember awareness program, same old excuse HOWARD conviently used.. For the example of past business practices, and now failing to pay for services rendered PATTERN is whats obvious, PATTERN IS A KEY ISSUE, like it or not... Better yet, admitt it or not.
Howard has no problem with putting outright lies in PRs, what makes you think he is not doing same in these non payment for services rendered pattern..He is brave enough to send fraud PRs out to REUTERS, MARKETWIRE so he is brave enough to stage the innocent victim on this and never bat an eye, Getting good, i must admitt. Bad thing is here, GOOD means HORRIBLE.
The part nobody really gives a rats as_ is what demon in the PHAR stable of characters in this tangled web he uses . Tommy one time, Tabor next, Kit Chambers next, Monty Waldman, Joe Pittera. Roger Crabb, D,McLaughlin
Bottom line ,like it or , A true proffessionl CEO would not be involved with the group thats teaching him PINKSCAM 101, and ill be dam_ if PHARs CEO HOWARD has made honor roll thus PHAR.
Good day GLTA
MMA SUPERSTAR BEN HENDERSON wins coveted UFC LT WT CHAMPION TITLE fight in front of millions live and broadcast live around the world.
Funny we were just talking about him advertising AQUAPRIN and the issue of PHARMSTAR failing to pay for his services.
What a missed opportunity. Great guy, tough dude, awesome exposure for AQUAPRIN
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_benson_henderson_lightweight_champ_022512&active_dimension=carousel_coke_today&ysp_frm_woah=1
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/cagewriter/post/photo-benson-henderson-celebrates-ufc-lightweight-title-with-his-mom?urn=mma,wp13702
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/post/2012-02-26/henderson-outpoints-edgar-wins-ufc-title/634892/1?csp=34
Your correct . There will be some interesting times ahead. Ive got a little more key PHARMSTAR information im sure all "legitimate' shareholders will appreciate.
Transparent, what a powerful word that gets slung around a lot.
Good luck in the days ahead.