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3. The wins along the way, PTAB, CAFC, then PTAB again is conformation to the Judge, who may or may not me 100% familiar with this exact stuff, that this is in fact something legit.
There were numerous stops along the way back to her court that this could have been squashed, and killed.
It didn't,
sayng she will release a timeline, isn't what I wanted, I wanted an actual timeline now, but that is the next best thing.
SHe will map out what she wants done and when, and with the various issues, if they go into court 3 months in a row to settle various stuff, again that what we want, each one of those hurdles we overcome is just 1 more notch in the belt .
each one of those is a possible catalyst that people can see a date, and know, hey need to be in before then or after then if it goes well...
Nothing to complain about.
I know I expected a little more, but this realistically is the best we could hope for.
Casper doesn't want this on her case load anymore I am sure,
probably annoyed it hasn't moved further.
All I care about is that timeline, when it posts, then its time
to start getting excited.
Yes it is going to be awhile possibly,
BUT
once that timeline is set money will come in, a little more as we get closer to each date on the calendar.
SO yeah, this is all good news as long as Casper doesn't drag her feet. which I doubt she will. This isn't the PTAB or CAFC here, this a bit different, as far as how quickly the Judge acts.
SO all smiles here..
What I was talking about was the agreed upon timeline by both parties over the next few months in regards to the various issues in front of the court.
I will go back and copy and paste in a little bit when I have time, but its not set yet as conference call is tomorrow correct?
See what happens when timeline gets a little certain,
actual catalyst dates, we know action taking place on the 16th,
could be good or bad or anywhere in between, but people
buy knowing they will know something soon,
buy before the news is good they think ..hope..
if we get an actual court date, could see some wild early action,
then die down, and more action as each action on timeline gets hit
and if you guys did not read what was in the stuff they posted for the info leading up to conference call.
Action every month for a few months, that is what this stock needs.
again 100% with you,
simply saying, may or may not happen ,
we shall see if nothing people have seen the courts move at heir own pace with their own set f procedures is all.
SO if not set don't be let down,
been a long non linear ride, and its not over yet.
but a big catalyst is looming and fewer and fewer obstacles srand in the way
100% on that one, but past track record, past rulings and hearings
leads me to believe we will get a fair shake
its cheap enough, you already know my position....
The Kid is on the money,
We have a long list of favorable rulings and wins now.
We have other cases citing our case,
WDDD has been legitimized and Casper stated very clearly she thought the case has merit.
Tribble is no joke, S & G are no joke,
they are heavyweights who are in on contingency.
They now get to step up to the plate and start swinging.
They didn't go over the code, take 9 months reviewing the case
knowing how long this might actually take, and then say.
Yeah we will take it on contingency.
Suck it up butter cups, the stock is being manipulated,
and when its time to fly if enough eyes are upon us, it will go to the moon. When will that be????
Uncertain Timeline still...
but right now...the price is right..
unfortunately the market got crushed, and I got into safe plays with spec upsides....and long term dividends, but still scooping up here and there. :)
It is not a matter if we make money, but when is all...
its Kenny Rodgers time people...
It is not indulging at all it is procedure.
You have to follow procedure, there are no short cuts, unfortunately, all of the procedures take time...and ATVI is in no hurry
No it won't, it is just a status conference,
won't get really moving till some real tangible timeline
is set...
uncertain timeline- bleeding PPS
risk vs reward-
price is right
PTAB is cleared,
Flipping wasn't aimed at you, more just those who can't believe anybody is selling.
They don't care some people it doesn't matter what the stock is, what they do, or the story, just can they make money on it buying and selling.
This stock is easy to manipulate if you have a lot of shares, and the want to, just saying...
Hey there, lots of entry points along the way,
as always, uncertain timeline causes PPS drop..
that is where we are, lots of nervous people
some sitting on sidelines waiting for entry simply closer to court date once PPS starts to rise,
its penny land not exactly filled with institutional investors here.
stock is easy to manipulate if you want to,
so people asking why all the sells,
selling begets more selling, which causes price to drop,
price drops buy shares, price goes up, sell shares, price goes down,
its called making money people.
It might not be your way, but it is very feasible, and I would bet that is what you are seeing, people making money who don't simply buy and hold.
and finally...
Let Thom do his thing, he doesn't care what we want,
he is running a business, he is doing what he thinks is best for that business, he has sacrificed a lot along the way to get where we are,
if not mistaken he is still the largest shareholder by far,
he isn't UNICEF, not a charity,
A few things...
War Eagle, Bungie talked about settlement talks on the remand to PTAB fom CAFC,
Saw somebody said ATVI couldn't appeal, or could but where since PTAB and CAFC already threw them out, well PTAB would not deal with this after a trial with Casper, but if not mistaken CAFC could take the case as CAFC has nothing so far to do with WDDD vs ATVI, that was BUngie.
Yes I am still around, no need to hype anything I have said all I need to say over the years. Nothing new has changed, we are still moving forward, and District Court should be our next stop.
that is where this begins to get monetized finally.
All that people need to keep in mind is...
Max Tribble and S&G are now going to come into play heading to Casper's court,
we head there with a favorable marksman, a winning PTAB ruling, an appeal from CAFC that went our way and a remand to PTAB that also went our way. We are stacking up wins, not too mention the other few smaller things that went on along the way like the court case in California,
we all know this moves up and down without any rhyme or reason, the biggest risk (PTAB) has already been hurdled.
ATVI is in no hurry, will take as much time as they can.
As always you people always think a settlement is imminent, any day now it could happen, heard this for a few years now...
No it is not, no it won't, not before a court date is even set, just won't happen, not from ATVI, maybe BUngie, but not the big boy ATVI.
So squibble and squabble, this person says no risk, that person green land and blue skies ahead, that guy doom and gloom,
its worth millions, its worth billions, its worth zero,
If you think its a winner, buy shares, if you think its a loser don't, if you want to swing trade do, if you buy and hold, feel free,
all I can tell you is...I am back in, I am adding,
and look forward to making a bunch of money on this again.
Yes I have some shares, and will be adding along the way
oh yeah, we cleared PTAB, and that is a big deal.
It should creep up everytime we get any real news, court dates, settlements, new suits filed, it won't be a straight line up, but creep up it will :)
It will swing up and down on the whims of retail for awhile.
Day traders, swing traders, will also have an effect.
Comes down to volume, till volume rises and stays steady, it will roller coaster
Here is the thing to keep in mind.
Lots of longs been adding, lots of longs that don't plan on selling. SO the float shrinks every month.
As the timeline gets more firm the PPS WILL raise,
Nobody can say realistically what the PPS will be heading towards trial.
Just way too many variables.
Nice ..thanks...good move by Thom.
Here is a question, can they file an IPR? If so wouldn't they just use the same stuff Bungie did, being as that IPr was dismissed due to time bar?
I mean at worst they get same results Bungie did , right?
Oh yeah...this still cheap these are pre Bungie IPR prices...
lots of room to grow, moved money out when went back to PTAB, moving money back in now it has left PTAB
My schedule has changed, don't have time all day anymore to watch and play with stocks,
but made some moves, will be making some more.
We cleared the biggest hurdle.
If end up CAFC again, we look great, they will easily go our way. EASILY
if not we head to district court, and win or lose, as that date approaches this will climb steady over the long term, as timeline decreases, share value increases...
Im freaking excited again...
O pay more than I once could, and do it gladly...
time to make some money again here!
I knew if positive news, I pay more ..I pay more...
District court is the real pay day, will be lots of money to be made here
should see lots of movement up and down
but it will be slow to start...ramp up as district court gets more clear in focus
Nope...just waiting for PTAB decision...
I am moving money back into this already :)
Still here.
Just was out of town this week...and yes I will be paying more for the stock than what I could have bought it for for a very longtime now...but...I knew that was possible...
this is the tip of the iceberg, we cleared PTAB,
a LOT of risk just left,
so its back to business!
I have always said, long term this is a winner, but PTAB scares the crap out of me,
we are now past that AGAIN, stacking up wins,
No idea what is going on. I did not think it would take this long unless new evidence got introduced. It did not...
PTAB is dicey, always has been.
I am still waiting that decision before I get back in here.
Open ended time line is no bueno.
Not really, when I was doing the research, the numbers of remanded cases were very small and quite varied in subject matter.
Really difficult to find apples to apples so to speak as the reasons for remand are many.
That is not what is happening. The PTAB will simply make their rulings.
Then if not favorable for WDDD, they will appeal to the CAFC.
If the rulings go in WDDD favor, I highly doubt Bungie will will appeal to the CAFC, but they might. I doubt they will because the CAFC really did come across as favorable for WDDD, but those particular 3 Judges wanted to allow the PTAB to fix their mistakes. Those Judges where not ones to go against procedure or want to set precedent.
But it s possible we end up back at the CAFC no matter what as that is on the table for both parties.
Thom of course thinks this will be ruled in their favor, would he tell you anything differently?
It very may be, but we won't know till we know.
As quilt said at this point, a settlement with Bungie is great, means they won't get sued as the existing suits are against ATVI and now Linden.
If I am not mistaken, WDDD said they planned on adding Destiny, but it hasn't been added yet has it?
Nobody knows how long the PTAB will take, they aren't going to tell either or both parties well in advance of a ruling.
That is just not how our legal system works.
If Thom does say something, what is he going to say?
A Pr that says we are anxiously awaiting a positive outcome of the PTAB decision on remand, he already said that when they did the PR on Linden.
There is nothing new to add about the PTAB proceedings, we are waiting on decision. Will be waiting on decision for as long as it takes.
I told you guys that over a year ago when we found out it was remanded back to PTAB. I got shouted down and called captain spin, and that I wasn't a true long and various other things. I just have done enough research to understand how this system works, and they don't care.
As I have stated many times, the PTAB is dicey at best, and there is no deadline for a PTAB ruling on remand, it is open ended once you break 6 months. What we think is right or fair is irrelevant,
anybody who tells you they know what the PTAB is going to do, is lying to you. I don't know whihch way it will go. I am simply basing my decision and predictions on past track record and current Judges as that is all you can do.
Thom thinks this should go WDDD way, and for good reasons, but the PTAB track record says it can go anyway they want.
Listen to guidance, not listen to guidance, I can post plenty of examples of both. If the PTAB wants to they can do a complete reversal and say everything is now valid or they are just as apt to say everything is invalid, even the existing claims that got through or anything in between...
I know some of you will say...No that can't happen...yes it can. do the reerach and you will see.
The PTAB decision, was vacated for a remand. Everyone said oh yeah! it was vacated, great results, NO, not great results, we had to go back to the PTAB, look up PTAB and Death squad, ..
oh the PTAB has changed, is changing, in some areas yes and some areas no.
DO some research on PTAB decisions, all I ever see is people post stuff they want to hear, stuff they want to see that validates those feelings, just as much stuff out there that says otherwise.
SO many people have said, oh settlement can happen any day,
only way a settlement happens before PTAB decision is if WDDD takes pennies on the dollar, which they won't. Even if they do get a settlement, still need PTAB ruling moving forward with this.
It is why I got out when the remand was announced, and as you all know, won't be back in till its a no brainer on price or PTAB decision comes down and we are clear of them.
Today was 1 year from mandate.
If they get something out it will be Friday,
but they are way past guidance,
We shall see what happens this week if anything,
I still wait for the decision before making any new moves here.
I still think it will be going back to the CAFC,
but hope I am wrong.
As always GLTA
No worries, I totally get it.
Not a fan of the PTAB and the fact they can do just about anything they want. Sometimes they follow guidance, sometimes they don't.
Sometimes what they do makes sense, and sometimes it doesn't.
WHat I can say is they are rarely quick about anything.
10/16 is the 1 year mark.
There is no guarantee the decision will be in by then.
The guidelines they set for remands from CAFC leave it open ended.
There is no hard deadline, the most definitive deadline they give is 6 months, and may take longer in some cases.
LENGTH OF PROCEEDINGS
Under the AIA, a PTAB proceeding is intended to move quickly.
The AIA requires that the PTAB issue a final written decision on the
patentability of any challenged claim within one year of instituting
a trial. However, for good cause, the PTAB may extend this one-year
statutory period by up to six months (37 C.F.R. §§ 42.100(c), 42.200(c)
and 42.300(c)).
The parties should expect the remand process to vary somewhat depending
on the type of case and the issues presented. Appendix 2 to this SOP provides
guidance to parties on remand procedures, plus illustrative examples from recent
cases. Notably, certain scenarios may necessitate an extension of the six-month
goal for issuing a remand decision.
If I am not mistaken, it is just the suit against ATVI that we don't get the time on. correct? They could have if they ended the suit and re-filed, but WDDD wanted to move forward at that time. Caspar just set the time on the ATVI suit because of the paperwork was wrong, we have the correction in place, but all the i's were not dotted and the T's crossed so to speak when WDDD filed...
If I am not mistaken, it is just the suit against ATVI that we don't get the time on. correct? They could have if they ended the suit and re-filed, but WDDD wanted to move forward at that time. Caspar just set the time on the ATVI suit because of the paperwork was wrong, we have the correction in place, but all the i's were not dotted and the T's crossed so to speak when WDDD filed...
It is not a natter of a better price.
Sure that would be great, but out of the PTAB is what I want.
Favorable decision and we head towards District court and I will buy as much as I can afford.
If PTAB does not come back favorable, the price drops, and we head back to the CAFC for another year wait for that process to get done,
as I have stated many times, the price I was looking for was based on still being the PTAB, not just looking for a better entry price..
The PTAB is dicey at best.
Not till the PTAB decision is handed down as the price won't drop in my target range I would be comfortable with during a stay in the PTAB.
The new suit filed and the PR is nice, and Thom's comments are very bullish and hope they bode well, but I have zero faith in the PTAB as I have posted links that verified the PTAB can and will ignore CAFC guidance when they feel like it. Not saying they will, just that they might. Regardless of the decision from PTAB ..good or bad... that decision will de-risk this a whole lot for me.
I didn't say that it would be that date, just that my honest opinion is we should get a decision back on or before being as that would be 1 year.
PTAB do try very hard to get cleared in a year's time.
It might go longer...I am just preparing open cash flow to be available before 10/16 for me...
Trust me..I am rooting for me to be wrong.
I don't want that extra time
I don't want to go back to the cAFC.
But what I want, doesn't really matter at this point.
I have done well on WDDD. Made good money, and really hope
to do so again. Sooner is much better than later!
I simply tried to put myself in the best possible position
to take advantage of the PTAB decision mitigating
as to what I see as possible negative outcomes
the downside for me is I make a little less money
if PTAB comes back positive but with less time involved.
SO I am good either way!
:)
Thank you
Most just don't get that, think I am biased negative.
The majority of people here are here, win lose or draw, they put their money in and they are waiting for the payoff.
I have seen posts that say no way PTAB is going to come back anything but good for WDDD. The PTAB would have to go against/ignore the director and CAFC guidance.
I can post examples of them doing just that.
Not saying they will, but saying they might.
I can also just post happy positive things that reinforce the all green skies ahead. I don't need to hype this up. It has been hyped/pumped/pie in the sky'd all the different ways it can be done.
I have personally talked to a few people who way over invested in this based on some of the stuff they read here. So I do my best to post realistic honest worse case scenarios, I don't say its going to zero, I don't try to get people to sell, but be aware these negative things are possible some even probable(INMHO). I share what I have done, why I have done it, and people think oh no..he is really buying, or selling,
my position has always been
I think WDDD is a winner long term.
Think at CAFC are a winner if goes back there had a good panel and they just wanted to let the PTAB correct their own mess so they sent it back,
Think Tribble and Susman & Godfrey are top notch and will win in district court and I feel Judge Caspar is actually slightly on our side and if it shows back up in her court she is going to be rather annoyed by it which also goes in WDDD favor and would put really good oddds it settles out with no trial,
BUT
we are in the PTAB and I don't trust them at all.
If they come back positive for WDDD I will have to pay much more than what I sold at but will happily do so as its only goes up from there.
If they come back negative that is another year added that I would have money tied up that will be hard to sell if I need or want to and not lose on, and the short term price will drop and I can buy in for less that what I sold. I can do that now actually as the lowest I sold shares at was $0.25. I just don't want any money contingent on the PTAB doing the right thing. Their track record is suspect at best...