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I sure hope you are right. My biggest worry is someone has driven the price down to buy them up cheap. I hope this company is not the vehicle to do that with. It has all of the inside connections and the CFO sitting in the same office. It does bother me until the company puts out a PR on it. If not we need to inform the SEC about this little finding. I think it needs to be disclosed?? What do other people think.
I think I will give him a call. Better I think I will call Jim Hock and ask him to explain before putting out Jim's number here and have everyone call every hr on the hr until we get an explanation. I had an old boss do that call every hr on the hr stating I will fillup your vm until I get an answer. If we all do that then he will not get the important messages and have to get Jim to put out a PR. That Kingtrope is incredible with the information he gets and has.
Good posting. I think a lot of us have learned a lot from this experience. The old saying you do not fight the tape is so true. Even if you believe in the company you still do not fight the tape. You stop out when it breaks your support level. You can come back in even if you believe in the company at a lower price with preserved capital. No matter what you think or what others are saying you do not fight the tape. I personally think there are things going on that we will never know that are effect the stock price right now. Hopefully next year the price will be higher and we will not care. If in was a beating man I would say a lot has to do with personalities and egos. (I will show you kind of attitudes)
Thanks my point is that everyone here is entitled to there opinion and views but they need to be balanced and if you are getting paid or very close to the company you need to disclose that. I hope anyone new here would realize what we have are trying to tell me. Some views are biased. I do believe in the company unfortunately they have let the stock price get taken advantage of them. I keep looking at the information that dribles out and it is confirming my views that this company could be doing 500M-1B in sales within 3 yrs of starting. This is unbelievable for a startup. I just wish I could get people to analyze my numbers to see if I have missed something. This is what this board needs. I am appreciative that the company does call you back when you have a question. I just wish they had taken the stock prize a little more serious. I do feel they are working on getting their story out in a very professinal way soon. I read a lot and it is incredible what I read & hear. The following:
- Russian Stocks are being talked about and it will probably be a good investment area next yr
- How many new plts are going to be built
- 40% of the new plts are going to be built in China
- New laws prohibiting lead in reactors
The news is in the favor of this company with the technology they have. Also these guys are not spending money on themselves- no big salaries, no fancy traveling - their pay is in stock and they wanted it to pay off just as much as we do. I hope next yr this is behind us and all we talk about is the huge potential for the company while we write about the stock price rising.
I agree with you and Scorry that no one talks about the potential this company has once we get pass this down ward trend. I have done a few analysis on the potential for the company in 09 and forward. I get not one person to comment to say they think I am way off the mark or if I might be close. I would like help in refining my analysis of the potential. On ST he does have some of what he is getting. First you need to disclose clearly when you are getting paid by a company for any services rendered to them if it is money, stock or anything else. If you are not and you have relatives or close friends involved with the company that has to be disclosed. Also you get creditability by saying the good with the bad when discussing the company. It has become very obivious he is biased and does not clearly disclose why. If he had come forward with this information with out being forced too and if he would talk about some of the problems honestly he would have some credibility. He has just hinself to blame not the people on the board.
The best price for the yr end if they have to convert the warrants by yr end and tax selling purpose, personal reasons & etc.
No question it is manipulated to get the 144s out at a good price. The promoters have been doing this since summer to help the 144 ers to sell at a good price. Now they have manipulate it again for the yr end selling for them. Lets hope it stops next yr. We have been used like pawns by these promoters. They pumped to get the price up from their 144 buddies to get out of the stock at a better price while we hold the bag. It will be a good company but management just let this get out of hand.
I could not have written any better on ST. I have been trying to say the same he never says anything about the down ward trend and the new lows are of concern. But like you point it out he does it for the daily picks. So people or capable of being un biased when they have a finacial investment in something but most cannot and ST is one that cannot be unbiased. I like the disclosure Johanth Lebed puts on his stocks he promotes. He even points out for the ones he is not being paid for but is associated with people that he has worked with that support a stock you have to consider him unbiased even in these cases. ST would have more credibility if he pointed what you say out to his followers. I think it is too late for him now. It is all about the hits you get on your website that brings in the companies to promote. It would be interesting to see how well ST has been doing in this area lately.
I was wondering if anyone knows how many nuclear plants will be built each yr for the next 20 yrs in the world. I am figuring about 8-10 plts will be built per year starting in 09. If they cost around 3B dollars and if NNRI can be a subcontractor to the general contractor for their products - shielding, Atoll, Velkont - Then lets say that the major contractor using NNRI products wins 60-70% of the plant projects - then lets say NNRI has 6 new plts a yr to sell product too. I have figured that core shielding is worth just about 3M in beecom/fiecom material alone. I am guessing with engineering, consulting cost & etc it could run 10-20M. Lets say that they could get 3-4% of the plt cost of 3B for shielding, engineering, Atoll, Velkont product per new plt. That would mean 90-120M yr per plt per year for NNRI product times 6 plts per yr. This would be about 600M dollars per yr for NNRI sales in just new plt construction. Please comment on this projection.
You have called it right when ST was saying it was going up with his TA. Where did you learn this TA stuff?? It is going to get ugly. What do you think is driving it done - shorts, 144s or a combination of both?
It never ends. I believe it will hit .70 before it turns around. I tlked to their PR dept and they are not happy with the price. I explained I think the management is very good except in the area of communication. I stated they were to pre-mature on their forecast and then to late to keep us updated. They have to talk some of the responsibility for the stock price. I get the feeling the company is now trying to turn the stock price around.
The way they are selling it appears they know something we do not know and it appears not good.
Thanks, I know that no insiders have sold any stock from the company's PR person. Also I learned is that the company has to file when warrants are converted. At this time I have not seen any filed - have you. I also had it clarified that they do not have to be above 1 dollar for a listing on otb. This has has bothered me because I have seen big companies like GM steal technologies or buy them up for a song before. It looks like the 144 selling is not letting up. I do not see what they can do to stop this selling. PRs are not doing it. It looks like the MMs are in control for now. I just hope the people involved have gotten their friends cheap shares and they are about done.
On iceman - i have watched NCII dive. I wonder which person was the crook in this deal. Did Ice raise money for one of them and i wonder which one of the people involved stole the money. Boy it is the wild west with the stocks he recommends. You have to wait for the dust to settles to find out if it is a real company. He is a good market timer but you cannot trust what he says because there is always a hidden agenda and it sure is not in the interest for the small investor. He
makes his money on the stock he gets to help promote a company which is usually 5-7% of their float. So just as long as the stock does not go to zero he makes money. I believe these people are hired so the insiders and the PP can unload the stock before the company goes broke. I can say that NNRI management is not doing that because they have not sold any. If they sold some I would not mind because they are paying themselves peanuts and are scarifizing for the good of the company. Not many execs will do that today.
Good point. My concernis I hope the insiders are not forward selling their shares. If so then they do not have faith in the company. The selling is coming from some where and it has to be these large blocks of shares certain people own. I have seen it done in the auto industry where the big boys steal technology they want for nothing. I hope this management understands this. At present they way they are handling the stock price makes me think they do not understand how technology is stolen.
I forgot to add I believe if they drive the price down below $1.00 I believe it cannot be listed on Nas. So management needs to do something about the price if they want a major exchange listing. I do not know the requirements for London or Russian markets. It is begining to appear that the news is not cutting it to keep the price up. I believe someone or a group of people are definitely working the price down and management is just letting it happen well implementing the business plan. With the forces at work this stock will be trading below dollar by year end. So Scorry I doubt we will have an uplifting next year unless the management team does something ASAP.
Or if the technology is so great then someone wants it cheap and is driving the stock down so they can buy the company cheap for the patents. At this rate they can buy it for under 60M. That is cheaper than paying royalies. The royalty rate is usually 3-5% of the finished selling products price. So after the first 1B dollars of sales the rest would be pure profit for the company that buys up the company and then stripes it down to nothing. The management has made it clear they are more interested in implementing the business plan inside of doing anything about the stock price. When it is bought up cheap and they are out on the streets I wonder if they will think that part of a good business plan is keeping the stock price up? I think this is a real possibility and I wonder who is involved in driving the price down and trying to keep the retail investors in it???
I think I heard it on a Barry conference call the last week. It might have been a Sat call. I am not sure but that is what I think. I think barry stated it so I am not sure if it is true. At 5% then a 13D has to be filed. My biggest concern is if the company does not get the price up a competitor or someone wanting into this business could buy the whole company under 75M dollars.
I cannot remember where because I read and listen to so many different sites. I picked it up from one of these sources. Do you know anything about this guy?
Does anyone know who Miguel Delarosa is?? I tried to google him and did not get anything. Supposedly he is from S. America and owns 1.3-1.7M shares of NNRI. I was wondering if any of this is true.
You must have some good sources to find out the contract decision on the 100M. I am impressed. The company has a responsibility to update us on this issue. They made a statement on it. This is the only real problem I have with them, it is their communications to the investors while the shorts & MMs take advantage of the situation. I would like to hear you view on how much business you think Atoll can do. Also I would like you view of if and when NNRI can hit 1B in sales.
I is coming out how close their relationships are with the Russian nuclear agencies. Your statement in your posting and the joint venture with the NONC shows that no other company has that. That is like having IP which they give a very high PE for on tech stocks. This stock if off the pk sheets would be worth 10 for this and the earnings so far if not more. I hope some big investor comes forward and states he is investing in it to get it moving before the listing. We need something ASAP to move it and get the stk recognized to the investment community. I am starting to hear good things in general about the russian market on the money shows and reading. They say it is an undervaluved market. I think we will see good returns in general from russian stocks for 08. That appears to be the sendiment.
After reading the PR for the future nuclear container business, I have to say that was the best written PR so far from the company. It gave specific information on timing, the size of the market and length of the business. It appears that this container business for the russian market could be 100M dollars a yr for 10 yrs. This could start to ramp up in 09 for the $100M per yr thru 2020. One point that the Iceman made is most of the nuclear waste numbers from countries are on the very low side because they really do not want to reveal the true amount they have. So it is possible the waste in Russia is much higher and the business could be higher. The PR sheds some light on the % of clean up is used for containers. It looks like 10% is a good starting figure. If this is the case and Europe has allocated 14B+ for clean up it is concievable that there is another 100M for containers outside russia for NNRI. Remember to do business in the EU you will have to meet the no lead requirement.
So it looks like the container business could be a 200M per yr business.
The biecom/feecom for new nuclear plts could be a 50M+ per yr business if 10 new plts are built per yr. I calculated previous around 2-3M per plt plus adding in engineering & etc - 50M is a good guess.
Atoll is doing 80M/yr. If the company was honest with us and would tell us where the 100M order is and the back orders we could come up with a number for Atoll. My best guess is they could start to approach 200M/yr in 08.
With just these businesses NNRI could start to do 500M in 09. This does not include the new businesses purchased.
In short I do not feel that approaching 1B in sales in 09 is not out of the question. How many startup companies can do 1B in 3+ yrs?? The potential is huge. 25% net profit on a 1B is 250M divide by 60M shares = @ $4.00 times 20 and this could easily be $80 stock. PE of 25 and it could be $100 stock. The 200 dollar claim seem a little high too me. We just need more clarification from the company and an uplifting ASAP. I hope we get more PRs like this one to help guide us on their potential.
I agree with most of your points
I understand why they went to the pink sheets to get the Atoll deal done quickly per their request to have marketable securities instead of private shares.
I agree that this stock is being manipulated. Most of the price decline has been due to the 144 selling with the help of the MMs. If I was a betting man I would say IM has traded this stock with the help of the MMs. If true I would bet he has traded over 500k shares. I do think he is trying to get the Hispanic brokers, Black brokers, and others to buy the stock. In order to get the Hispanics to buy he needs someone like Calos Sims to say he is buying. So if I was a betting man I would guess to get someonein like him cheap will help him in the future. I think all of these brokers are just sitting on the side lines until one of their own tells them it is ok to buy. How these people make there money is when they promote a stock the going rate is to recieve 5-7% of the float in stock. So it does not matter what the price is when they can sell it just as long as it is not zero. To get these deals they have to have a very active site. I believe ST is doing this for some of the stocks he has been promoting. Look at CRYX, CFPC, PTLG - They are dogs. I would bet he has stock on these. In my opinion companies use these guys so they can get the stock up to sell their shares and become millionaires before the stock goes downs or the company goes bankurpt. This is a common practice for most pk sheet & OB stocks. I do not think NNRI is doing that because it is a real company. I just have a problem with them having ST promoting the stock and not disclosing he is paid by them. Also I do not like the fact he always says it is a good thing when the stock hits a new low. Also he does not allow an open discussion if you disagree with him. I am sorry but NNRI is still and American company that I thought believes in the American principles of free speech. Unfortunately I could go into censorship and the history of what it has done to different races but I will not go there.
I just hope the company wakes up to the dis service he is doing by trying to manipulate the facts and not allow for open and free discussions of the facts and an indivduals views.
I agree with you 100%. The problem is the company is losing credibility to allow this to go on. They have no control over Iceman if it is true he bought the shares through a third party. At least he will give you the down side risk of where the stock might go and will admit the chart looks terrible. He comes up with some crazy stuff about the shorts, false certificates, transfer agents hiding the true volume, big buyers buying the stock, billionaires buying it and the list goes on. No wonder the investor does not know what to believe when the company does not try to defend it stock and give investors updates. The last PR was just fluff with no substance - no meat - contracts, earnings, projected sales, where the company is going and etc. It was just a stop gap to try and keep the stock from falling anymore. It was mostly like the rest of the PRs. No large investor or institution will buy until it is off the pink sheets, it is showing 2 qtrs of improving equity accounting earnings in a row. I do not believe this type of buyer that can move the stock will be buying until after the first qtr of 08 or the 2nd qtr 08. I hope I am wrong so I can break even and sell my shares. I will only keep my shares if the company will come forward and improve their communications with their investors. Personally I do not see that happening. When you have to search the internet for information on a company you own and have to listen to people like ST, Iceman & MBs to follow your investment there is a real problem. It seems to just get worse by the day. When you have to hear the contract from ST for a major program with the Russian Federation and then be told the last sentence is not correct who do you believe. Information like that should come from the company. Sad but true this company is got major PR problems and they are sticking their heads in the sand and using the quiet period as an excuse not to address them. They are so proud that they do not care about the stock price but just what to execute the business plan to move forward. The problem is you have to have a good stock price to move forward. Other examples no PR on particapting in the show and no meaningful update with a copy of their presentation. The list just goes on and on. I just hope I can get my investment out of this company and just break even. I cannot hope for anymore with a management that uses third party people to update their investors. It is very sad.
I know that and I told Jim at the company the same thing. I do not want the company to spend money on something like this and waste their time & money on defending themselves when they have better things to do. That is why I have pointed out these things to him. What we need to know is what is in the consultancy agreement when he recieved 50K shares for his services. Was it to promote the company and be factual??
I was wondering if you know which service ST is using to host his site and MB. Is it a US based service that has to obey US laws???
Could you send me that software link.
Could you send me that software link.
I have complained to the company that I thought he was violating SEC laws by not disclosing when he would write to these message boards. Ever since he now puts a disclosure on his emails to the MBs. I think he is a real liability to the company and he puts them in a position of a class action lawsuit for pumping and not disclosing being paid by the company as a consultant. I have a real problem with a person that tries to control what people think. You have to remember he is in Russia and they do not have the first amendment. My nick name for him is Putin Jr. I think he is doing a dis service for the company. One he tries to control free speech, second he is a TA and just tells you it is a great company and things are going well when it breaks support lines, he calls you if he does not like what you say on these boards and tries to tell you to stop. The best one was last week when the stock broke down to a new all time low. He laughed and said this was good news. That took the cake. If it was any other stock that he does not have 50k of stock in he would tell you to have a tight stop and just get out of it if it broke support lines. Then you have to find out from him that the company recieved a contract from the Russian Federation for 11M to develop new containers but not from the company. Then he says the last sentence is not translated correctly. It said something about competitors. Who can you believe. Is he trying to control the press releases to say what he wants?? It is like when he said that the company got orders in a press release when it said they have an intent to get orders. Like I say the company needs to get a better spokesperson for them. Jim I hope you read this and convey these concerns to the company before you get a class action lawsuit.
What did you say to get kicked off ST's site??? I am interested to hear it. Was it just something constructive but negative?? If I wonder how he can build a credible site. I had to call the company and complain that he did not disclose that he was a paid consultant with restricted shares.
me, question how do you keep all of this supposedly high power talent running the company from jumping ship with a dropping stock price and low salaries??
On a pink sheet does 13D have to be filed for ownership of over 5%??
I think you are right this is a good sign. I think us longs have gone through hell with this stock and now we are coming out of it. I think the next big thing to come will be the investors that are getting involved and that should take the stock higher. I hope we find out who they are and if they are as well known, it will take the stock higher. I think big investors are getting involved in green plays for next year for where the money is going to be made.
Good point. Iceman said he would sell 200k to support his site. Now it is 400k. You have to ask which way is the stock going up or down down.
I agree with you get in the door with a product they need and no one else has. Then you up sell for more products and services after you gain credibility that you can deliver what you promise.
You make a good point. I am having to assume that the fiecom/biecom is a one to one replacement for 1 kg of this material to 1kg of lead. We need more information on how thick a brick is its height and width. Then we could calculate the volume and then if we knew approxiately how many bricks a plt would use we could then use the density of lead and figure out exactly how many lbs of lead would make up a brick. With information like that we could be more accurate. I am just assuming it is a close one to one ratio for freecom/biecoms density to lead. That is based on ST saying it is heavy. I would like to see his calculation because it is my understanding he has a technical background.
I do not know the details of which material has to be used if it is the more expensive one then the material cost would be 3 times higher @ $375K. I would guess labor and engineering cost to do the job would be 3-4 times the material cost. So I would guess the company would get $1M per plt job. I still think that is on the low side. They would then get the jobs for the material to enclose the waste & the cost to protect the power lines with that shielding material. We need some idea the potential business per plt for this material. Then we could figure out the market potential for the product. Since China will build a plt every yr and russia sounds like it will be on a similar path we can then come up with the # of plts worldwide per yr. I am assuming it is 4-6 plts a yr to be built. We need more inputs from everyone.
I am not sure my calculation are right but it looks like the fiecom/biecom is about 1.5 times more expensive than lead which is not bad. See my calculations below
30 metric tons per plt
1 metric ton = 1000 kgs
1.9kg per brick
cost @$8.00 per brick
2.2 lbs per kg
@ $1.20 per lbs of lead
Plt cost for fiecom/biecom
30 metric tons/plt * 1000 kg/metric ton = 30,000 kg
30,000kg * $8/1.9kg per brick = @ $126,000 per plt
Plt cost for using lead
30,000 kg/plt * 2.2kg/lbs * $1.20/lbs PE = @$79,200
Thanks so they really did not do a presentation. They were on a panel group discussion. Better than nothing. I was hoping they would have given a presentation like ES did.
MayI missed it but I did not see NNRF on the detailed schedule. Please point out if they are on the list. Maybe this is why they did not put out a PR. Thanks for the detailed schedule.
I have heard that Velkont the other acquisitions is more profitable than Atoll. What do you know about them and their products. Is NNRI goal to own 25% of them by yrs end??
Thanks, I just put this link in my favorite folder under stk filings.