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Let's see, NOEM Green Hydrogen Company (currently building the largest green hydrogen plant, current planned capacity 600 tonnes daily). They planned to export hydrogen globally. I doubt it will be by pipeline. They will need more than one tanker.
I assume some of the companies planning on giga-Watt electrolyzers will need large tankers.
I see a couple of Toyota Mirais a day ( probably the same ones). They don't seem to have a problem finding hydrogen.
You seem to be more fixated on hydrogen than me. You post here more than I do. As I've mention several time, I consider the a gamble , not an investment. My interest is in green hydrogen. It's a possible solution to a pollution problem, thought about by our use of fossil fuels.
Kawasaki designed it, someone else has to order it.
It isn't about starting a rally. It's about providing solutions to hydrogen logistics problems.
Kawasaki has designed a ship to move vast quantities of hydrogen across the ocean. It's a possible solution to moving hydrogen from those gigawatt hydrogen progects.
Hydrogen era, new chapter — Kawasaki Heavy Industries unveils a 50,000-m³ vessel and hits a global transport milestone
https://energiesmedia.com/hydrogen-era-chapter-kawasaki-heavy-industries/
Egypt green hydrogen project begins exports to European and US markets
https://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2026/01/13/egypt-green-hydrogen-project-begins-exports-to-european-and-us-markets/
I will look into other companies.
Not yet.
But it explains your position.
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I am gambling on Hydrogen of tomorrow. (I wouldn't call it investing at this point)
So, you don't believe green hydrogen is viable.
So, you think hydrogen use must be confined to an area around petrochemical refining?
What about hydrogen logistics doesn't work and can't be fixed?
Economics is continually changing. Hydrogen seems viable for some things already.
Why Building Hydrogen Stations Isn’t Enough - California’s Infrastructure Reality
Why Switzerland’s Hydrogen Trucks Prove Deliverability Matters More Than Megawatts
Why Most Green Hydrogen Projects Fail Before Final Investment Decision (FID)
Why Plug Power Built a 5MW Green Hydrogen System in Namibia
Because the article talks about the probable state of hydrogen stations in 2032.
His questions were a red herring.
Those questions are irrelevant. It doesn't matter how many stations have been shut down or are for fleet use. What matters is how many station there will be in the future.
Hydrogen Fueling Station Market Set for Strong Growth to USD 2,800.72 Million by 2032, Led by Asia Pacific's 60% Market Share | DataM Intelligence ?
https://www.openpr.com/news/4318362/hydrogen-fueling-station-market-set-for-strong-growth-to-usd
United States: Key Industry Developments
✅ November 2025: FirstElement Fuel opened two new high-capacity hydrogen fueling stations in California, featuring advanced 700-bar dispensing technology to support expanded fleet operations for heavy-duty trucks and buses.
✅ October 2025: Chevron and Toyota partnered to launch a commercial hydrogen fueling station in the San Francisco Bay Area, integrating on-site electrolysis for renewable hydrogen production and rapid refueling capabilities.
✅ September 2025: The U.S. Department of Energy awarded grants for Air Products to deploy five modular hydrogen stations across the East Coast, emphasizing cost-effective liquid hydrogen storage to accelerate FCEV adoption.
Asia Pacific / Japan: Key Industry Developments
✅ November 2025: Iwatani Corporation inaugurated Japan's 200th hydrogen fueling station in Tokyo, equipped with AI-optimized compression systems for 5-minute refueling times amid rising FCEV sales.
✅ October 2025: JX Nippon Oil & Energy expanded its network with three high-pressure stations in Osaka, incorporating on-site hydrogen generation to align with Japan's Basic Hydrogen Strategy targets.
✅ September 2025: Kawasaki Heavy Industries launched a pilot hydrogen fueling hub in Yokohama, featuring pipeline integration and capacity for 300 vehicles daily to boost urban mobility decarbonization.
Key Merges and Acquisitions(2025):
✅ Chevron - formed a joint venture with Iwatani Corporation to develop 30 hydrogen fueling stations in California by 2026, enhancing infrastructure for fuel cell vehicles and supporting decarbonization goals.
✅ Plug Power - expanded partnership with Walmart in April 2025, deploying hydrogen fueling stations at distribution centers with renewable-powered electrolysis for fuel cell trucks.
✅ Iwatani Corporation - established Iwatani Cosmo Hydrogen Station LLC with Cosmo Energy Holdings in March 2024, strengthening its position in hydrogen refueling infrastructure amid rising FCEV adoption.
Plug Power Installs 5MW GenEco Electrolyzer with Cleanergy Solutions Namibia for Africa’s First Fully Integrated Green Hydrogen Facility
December 17, 2025
https://www.ir.plugpower.com/press-releases/news-details/2025/Plug-Power-Installs-5MW-GenEco-Electrolyzer-with-Cleanergy-Solutions-Namibia-for-Africas-First-Fully-Integrated-Green-Hydrogen-Facility/default.aspx
Thanks for proving me correct. I didn't say there were commercial aircraft, I said, "they are trying again, with twenty first century technology".
rickn - You are wrong. There are NO commercial aircraft using hydrogen.There are LESS THAN 10 demo/test aircraft using hydrogen in the world in total.Hydrogen aircraft is noise and nothing more and there's NO positive impacts for PLUG.
They need real products and services that make enough money to run a business and make a profit. Nothing else matters at this point. They have very little cash and have to laser focus on controlling cost and making money while at the same time trying not to fall behind the competition.
Indirectly, it has something to do with Plug. Any great increase in the use of hydrogen, has the potential to affect Plug.
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I wouldn't want Plug to try to design and build any type of aircraft. Their are companies better suited to do that.
Well, it looks like the world is ready to shake off that disaster and try again, using twenty first century technology.
https://www.jobyaviation.com/news/joby-subsidiary-h2fly-worlds-first-liquid-hydrogen/
https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2022-11-airbus-reveals-hydrogen-powered-zero-emission-engine
https://zeroavia.com/powertrains/
Hydrogen Aircraft Market Size & Outlook, 2026-2034
https://straitsresearch.com/report/hydrogen-aircraft-market
The global hydrogen aircraft market size is valued at USD 501.6 million in 2025 and is projected to reach USD 5,650.0 million by 2034, growing at a CAGR of 29.1% during the forecast period. Strong market expansion is driven by accelerating investments in hydrogen propulsion technologies, growing regulatory pressure to decarbonize aviation, and increasing advancements in fuel-cell and hydrogen-combustion systems, which collectively improve aircraft efficiency, reduce lifecycle emissions, and encourage airlines and defense operators to adopt hydrogen-powered platforms as a viable pathway toward sustainable aviation.
Key Market Trends And Insights
North America dominated the market with a revenue share of 37.64% in 2025.
Asia Pacific is anticipated to grow at the fastest CAGR of 32.85% during the forecast period.
Based on power source, the Hydrogen Fuel Cell segment held the highest market share of 54.12% in 2025.
By hydrogen type, the Liquid Hydrogen segment is estimated to register the fastest CAGR growth of 30.74%.
Based on range, the Medium Range (501–2,000 km) segment dominated the market in 2025, accounting for a revenue share of 46.27%.
By application, the Commercial Passenger Aviation segment is projected to grow at a CAGR of 30.18% during the forecast period.
The U.S. dominates the hydrogen aircraft market, valued at USD 188.1 million in 2024 and reaching USD 205.7 million in 2025.
Do you think that a disadvantaged person in a disadvantaged neighborhood in California is going to buy a vehicle that uses $25+/gallon ?
I said the (low) resale value can make it a good value (for someone living in a disadvantaged area). It would be a reason to have hydrogen station close to a disadvantage area.
Carbo - How come Toyota Mirai owners had to sue Toyota over the ZERO Resale value ?
The resale value of FCVs make it a good value (if you don't need to leave the state).
I'd much rather see infrastructure for trucking
It's improving.
Current Infrastructure Status
As of August 29, 2025, California operates 61 hydrogen fueling stations, with 50 available for retail operations. Chevron recently entered the market with new stations in Vacaville and Moreno Valley, adding 1,616 kg/day of fueling capacity. The report projects the network will reach 112 stations by 2031, down from previous projections of 129, reflecting adjustments based on current development timelines and station operator feedback.
Infrastructure Reliability & Coverage
Station operators have made measurable progress in improving equipment reliability and repair times, with average network availability improving from 58% in Q2 2024 to 74% in Q2 2025. Coverage remains strong in disadvantaged communities, with 93% of known station locations within a 15-minute drive of disadvantaged communities and serving 71% of California's DAC population.
The report identifies regional coverage gaps in the Sacramento, San Francisco, Greater Los Angeles, and San Diego areas, with growth potential in emerging markets such as Davis, Elk Grove, Roseville, Santa Rosa, and Livermore.
California's 2025 Hydrogen Infrastructure Report: Key Findings for the Hydrogen Community
https://fuelcellsworks.com/2025/12/09/news/california-s-2025-hydrogen-infrastructure-report-key-findings-for-the-hydrogen-community#google_vignette
Colombia targets US$244bn green hydrogen buildout
Bnamericas
https://www.bnamericas.com/en/analysis/colombia-targets-us244bn-hydrogen-buildout
NASA’s Hydrogen Divide - Plug Power’s Green Future vs Air Products’ Legacy Supply
Plug only got 1% of the NASA contract for liquid hydrogen, so there is tremendous growth. This was probably to qualify them as a supplier.
Plug Power Just Landed NASA — And It Could Change Hydrogen Forever
Don't know, but the plan is spread over 16 years.
EU Backs 100 Hydrogen Infrastructure Projects in €1.5 Trillion Cross-Border Energy Overhaul
https://fuelcellsworks.com/2025/12/01/electrolyzer/eu-backs-100-hydrogen-infrastructure-projects-in-1-5-trillion-cross-border-energy-overhaul
I think you’re discounting hydrogen too much. The rest of the world is still trying to reduce their reliance on fossil fuels. And, hydrogen makes sense when large scale renewable energy sources are used. Buses, trucks, planes, and trains run by hydrogen still makes sense.
Hydrogen is still big in the rest of the world (outside the US). Plug still has a business. It just doesn't make must sense (for Plug) to start large scale green hydrogen projects. Large scale projects are still happening elsewhere.
I think the current political environment ( in the US) is against clean energy. This makes using the DOE backed loan a huge risk ( backing could be pulled at any time, possibly sending the company into bankruptcy). A lot of Plugs business is international, with more willing leadership for clean energy.
I think your assessment is essentially correct.
Plug Power’s New Identity - A High Tech Backbone for Hydrogen Developers
Plug Power CEO Says There is Global Growth For Hydrogen Power