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Excepted ? You mean accepted.
The exception is a failure to accept that a company is manufacturing devices and it is at a foundry with an operating PDK (front end if you will).
Back end….. let’s just say we are long into the backend development, long enough for a company to receive the shipment of PERK which will be utilized after the completion of most of the backend procedures.
If we knew the packaging company name and how far along they are with procedures we could safely reassure ourselves that this EO polymer industry is well on its way to Volume production.
L_R
I don’t share your interpretation.
When I hear of a company in the process of manufacturing EO devices and taking shipment of PERK I have good reason to believe they are doing so to have devices manufactured (at a foundry) followed by applying the PERK to complete the backend.
This is not hard to figure out.
L_R
Well then we are “practically” there!
😉
L_R
You will need to perhaps reconsider that back end is surely in the works for the company that received the PERK shipment from LWLG which is done for the backend process as you describe it.
Devices are being made at a foundry either foundry A in the USA or at the foundry D in Europe.
The PERK shipment need not be shipped or received until the company is ready for backend completion.
One is required to work one’s head around this situation and attempt to explain it.
It sure looks like someone is running an EO modulator through a foundry (or foundries) with the objective of doing the backend when receiving the completed device from the foundry.
L_R
Almost perfect but where are the comic books?
L_R
That’s what I told the police officer who stopped me for speeding.
😜
L_R
NO!
L_R
One thing we know for sure is that whoever has signed the commercial deal with LWLG has received their first shipment of PERK.
It highly unlikely they will be making their own devices in their own lab.
The likelihood is that a “qualified” foundry will be manufacturing the devices for this first commercial client using the PDK established by Lightwave and this foundry. I don’t see any other way around this.
All this talk about qualifying a PDK for production purposes and acceptance by foundries falls to pieces when commercial deals are signed and the PERK is sent off for production purposes and expected revenues will come in from the sales of the products sold.
I won’t engage in speculation about what qualified might mean and what “signing off by foundries” might mean (created nonsense by some poster) that ignores the obvious truth that the first products are going to be manufactured at a foundry and items sold to a client through PDK’s developed by Lightwave and a foundry.
I stand by the statement that the PDK’s are “operational” and because they are, somebody is about to use a foundry with an operational PDK to make devices that will be sold.
This is fundamental….. you order PERK and then use it to manufacture products to be sold. The only PDK’s that are operational are in 2 foundries ….. foundry A in USA and Foundry D in Europe.
Best to longs.
L_R
I am done with my responses…. I have accomplished my mission.
Back to ignoring.
L_R
Sure. Follow this link:
https://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=173420167
L_R
It doesn’t mean the foundry has signed off on a final PDK
TP is ignoring the screen capture I have provided that indications clearly that Foundry A and Foundry D have operational (front end) PDK's
He is unwilling to address this OBVIOUS truth.
L_R
TP:
Why do you COMPLETELY ignore the obvious...... the first screen capture where it says the PDK's in Foundry A and D are operational. Explain your unwillingness to address the first screen shot.
L_R
Yes and my bet was less than 7 days. Nobody would take up my bet.
L_R
TP:
Why do you interpret the 10Q like you do? Your interpretation did not take into consideration at any time what was clearly presented on the company’s presentation early in 2023.
L_R
YouTube is one source and the other is from Lightwave’s web page
L_R
Dice:
For your information:
Operational PDK’s at 2 foundries were displayed on a presentation slide in early 2023. I did a screen grab not long ago. One foundry in the USA and One in Europe both showing “operational” adjacent to these foundries (A and D). Likely this is front end PDK’s. As to back end , we can discuss this later.
Now as to seeking acceptance of PDK’s in foundries, the context of this is displayed on a slide I was reviewing recently. I also did a screen grab showing 2 axis with the names of small foundries in the lower left quadrant and with the names of larger foundries in the upper right. This clearly indicates a progression of acceptance of PDK’s in foundries.
Using this as the context of what “acceptance of PDK’s in foundries” means in the 10Q it is clear from all of what is written above we have a progression of acceptance of PDK’s in foundries………and we are not looking at first Acceptance in a foundry.
Everything needs to be interpreted in “historical” context and this can be obtained in the presentations.
L_R
you know it could be that some think significant news is near.
But nobody can confirm that just yet.
L_R
Think what you will Dice.
Say what you like.
Bottom line is:
Lebby is not going to jeopardize his international reputation as a leader in photonics by making statements in a press release that will tarnish this reputation.
He believes what he says before he puts it into print.
He does not make statements that have the potential to destroy this reputation.
Do I believe what you say about him or do I believe what he says about signed contracts.
Easy choice.
L_R
Dice:
I predict you will be disillusioned with any press release that comes from lightwave logic at this juncture.
I on the other hand I will see significance with each deal signed.
Each shipment of PERK is a step towards production then mass production.
PDK’s are a non issue until you deal with the phrase “extremely high yields in > 1000 poles devices".
You can interpret information from what the company puts out anyway you want until you deal with this phrase.
I have comfort and confidence in looking at two different slide presentations on the PDK's where older presentations show "in process" for all 7 foundries then later the slide presentation in Dec 2022 shows only 5 foundries "in process" with 2 foundries no longer displaying "in process" meaning simply that the process is over with in developing a workable PDK. No other way to read that. One in the USA and one in Europe and latest presentations show > 2 foundries.
Deal with it Dice.
L_R
All I want is to quote you and repost your quote at a later date and you can do the same. I have skin in this game via my investments. I win or lose on that. It should be enough.
L_R
My prediction is a signed deal. Meaningful was not in the prediction. That is all and by Jan 31st. I can live with being wrong.
Now let’s see you say there will be no signed deal by Jan 31st and drop the meaningful game. Stick with what I said.
L_R
I will put up 100 USD, in a bet with you, that there is no meaningful agreement by March 1st,2024.
I expect a signed agreement no later than Jan 31st.
If I am wrong I am wrong. I can live with that.
Would you like to make a prediction that nothing will be signed by Jan 31st or are you a gutless poster who can never be proved wrong on a message board. Let’s see your manhood Dice.
Let’s see some skin in the game.
L_R
No conversations will be had about operational PDK's until a proper response is provided to the phrase below:
"extremely high yields of > 1000 poled devices"
L_R
Coherent has a DSP that I believe Lightwave could improve upon.
Just my sixth sense..
L_R
Oh come now…..Lebby indicated they are quite far along in their negotiations for more commercial deals. (Plural) and they hope to close something before year end.
Let’s pretend he does not…. Then he will close soon after. Nobody makes such statements just to make investors happy in the short term. All credibility will go down the drain. Lebby’s reputation means something to himself and to the industry and as far as reputation in the industry is concerned, he would never take the risk to make such a statement without some substance behind the press release and statements.
L_R
He’ll be back soon. I have a bet on that he could not possibly be away more than 7 days.
L_R
I have not posted nor mentioned this before about the “Late Lebby Effect”…… but last year the investor’s letter was “late” coming and it mentioned 2 foundries with operational PDK’s.
Then we experienced another “Late Lebby Effect” with the final closing and signature of their first Commercial Contract just before the ASM.
I wonder if we shall experience yet another “Late Lebby Effect” this December? It would be a wonderful “Happy Holiday Greeting” for all Long investors.
L_R
Now that makes sense.
L_R
KCCO:
You want to take me on for a $5 bet?
7 days max. TP will return before then.
😉
L_R
Smart response / reply.
L_R
No idea who that could be! 😜
L_R
Programmers are using AI to do some of their low level programming and in a case that I am familiar with …. A family member in the IT field uses AI as if it were a junior programmer. He estimates that it saves him 1-2 hours a day in programming time. Just an additional thought here.
L_R
You did this last time the SP increased.
Went quiet, played the "this stock might make it .... maybe but doubt it" and
When the SP peaked...... started talking pretty about the potential (just a wee bit) and
As it started to sell off........ went back to bashing.
Nothing but a momentum trader.
Out for yourself and your ill gotten gain.
Beware all newbies,
L_R
$20 but that is when I am asleep and dreaming.
L_R