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Chrisau.....................................auto racing.
NASCAR vehicles are sturdier and survive minor encounters better than F-1 vehicles.
Exceptions such as 11 car pileups you describe are not what I would call "Minor Incidents".
In F-1 if you so much as touch another car you are out of the race so you are racing the track only. It is; "How fast can I get around this track barring encounters with others?"
In NASCAR they draft up, push, shove, slide, tap and bang their way about the track at speeds approaching 200 mph+ and corners in excess of 160 mph.
The NASCAR vehicles are BODIED and some of those bodies (The Late and Great Dale Earnhardt) are specially re-inforced, at a weight debit, to enhance their driver's ability and durability in the tap, bang, wham of NASCAR.
The Pit Crew, and excellent timing, a little chance taking on tires and an accurate assesment of fuel requirements...is an all important factor in winning. Green light pit stops or the lack of them, accomplished in less than 17 seconds, are an absolute marvel to behold. F-1 has the same phenomena.
Two reasonably different sports with major emphasis changes.
Another major difference is rpm's...F-1 engines have a narrow power band and depend on 6 and higher gearboxes to keep the engine rpm/power compatible with speed(s). A large amount of shifting changes occur...not NASCAR...good old 3 speeds and 4 speeds.
Contact is the criteria...
I just prefer NASCAR over F-1...more excitement that you can see and hear.
ola
Bird of Prey...Partial rough-out, yes...God is a creation of the scared, confused, the questioning, unsatisfied people in life. The arrogant also in that they claim, "Hey life is great, birds are sweet to the ear, this here leaf...why look at it, ain't that a marvel? Only a God could have created all this hereya boy, I mean you stupid or something, you think this was all some kind of accident?"
Well, in the great scheme that is life, it wasn't quite an accident, more like whatever is around today is around because it had the sharpest teeth and best configuration for survival. By the way, evolutionary processes speed up considerably when harsh conditions of life threatening proportions show up. Each species adapts at a startlingly fast rate then. (Monkeys in the New York Zoo)
You wanted grist for your mill I understand?
ola
Bird of Prey...Partial rough-out, yes...eom
ola
The Original
Why would I read someone that claims they have "blended" science fact and religious theory?
It is ridiculous on the face.
ola
Paule...OK...be clear!...eom
ola
CharleyMike.....................Awwww shucks!...eom
ola
jarsch501
I've watched tons of F-1, been to Monaco etc...give me a good drag strip or Talladega anyday. Unrelenting pandemonium.
10, 15 or more passes EVERY lap...constant velocity at 200 mph. Stunning pit stops en masse.
or
Mind boggling power barely harnessed, ground shaking noise and vibration, explosive performances, fire, lightning, smoke, flames and sheer unrelenting acceleration...one after another after another.
F-1 is ho hum to OK.
ola
Heyyyy its ga-gnome!!!!.......................welcome
Sorry about the alias screw-up, that was my fault.
MotleyCool came and changed his password first thing.
Geee, had you asked that old devil ola, (and a couple other pranksters) he would have given it up in a second. lol...lol...lol
How is Oh Canada today and may I buy you a drink at the corner BAR?
ola
NorthWesterner.............................PM's to Matt?
Gee, I figure if he doesn't answer mine he concurs...lol
If he is apprised of something, that is good enough for me. The personal one-on-one is not necessary.
And sometimes the answer might be no.
ola
The Original dpb5
You cannot blend scientific fact with religious theory (theology) Your words make no sense: fact & theology = apples and oranges.
I cannot see something that does not exist no matter how much you encourage me to see your hallucination.
God an the whole goofy story surrounding him is a creation of confused people such as yourself.
The Who, what, why, when, where and how of it I leave to plausible scientific speculation by people trained and steeped in the science. The current theory suits me fine and frees up my time to pursure that which interests me. I assure you I have great respect, admiration and appreciation for people that can give me cause and reason not to worry without getting me involved in hocus pocus rituals and rules.
You enjoy your God fantasy and I hope it keeps you real busy and off the streets.
ola
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo...........joemoney!
You have spun around so much you feel you are qualified to give us your toy top views of the world, according to dizzyjoe?
I watch people go in circles, in fact I watch you all the time.
ola
NW............If our brains were at that developmental stage then it would be A-OK! Most certainly it is race survival specific behavior.
Ours is pre-meditated murder with no redeeming species survival specific orientation.
ola
Patricia1
That is a pretty "peaches and cream" post.
"someone here on ihub can send you a TOS when they see it happen"
What they "see" is in the eye of the beholder...doesn't necessarily mean anything is going down.
Usually means they see what they want to see simply because they don't like that poster for one usually specious reason or another.
These are the kinds of rules that destroy a site. Essentially what I see some people here attempting to do. If they get their way in all this, IHub will wither before it ever really gets going.
RB was a bright, colorful bus coming down the street that no one had ever seen before...everyone jumped on and had a grand old time. Rusty was fun and extremely well suited to dealing with people, just as Matt and Bob. The conductor at RB is now a fat old grumpy corporate guy, doesn't understand the dynamics and would rather see them all go away.
The core people at any message board are fun and controversial, intelligent, witty, clever, informed and correct and they usually attract the most envy.
These are not the whiners and complainers here today. Today we see an attempt to control, manipulate and eventually run the business of the site.
The "status quo" will never exist for these whiners and complainers unless it means their being the center of the IHub universe. That is when the star collapses into itself.
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Chrisau
"Get the best chassis you can, the most HP a given engine can produce, the best aerodynamics, and a driver that can do more than turn left."
No argument there.
Would you address: "touch the wall/fellow car and you are fini"?
In F-1 you are racing the track, not another car/driver...might as well address that also.
F-1 has a lot of nice contributions to valve train development and aerodynamics...but not very exciting.
ola
NorthWesterner
It isn't the FACT it is the METHOD.
You aren't talking to an amateur.
ola
paule...your saying science is an act of faith is religiously derived goofiness in support of and in an attempt to give credit to; your faith that there is a god.
Science has nothing to do with faith...it is demonstrable evidence, historical fact. It can be DEMONSTRATED...PRESENTED...MATERIAL goods, and it can be done so REPEATEDLY. It is concrete evidence.
Not some goofy, non-duplicable miracle that she said he said they said she said saw it.
Facts have no place in organized religion...religion does not deal in facts, it deals in hearsay, rituals, incantations, magic spells, clever inventive lies, unfulfilled promises, unfullfilled predictions and predictions and promises for the future that like those previously, will never come to pass.
It is remarkable how much faith and hope you folks demonstrate to no avail whatsoever and it is truly amusing. Nothing like watching a fool make a bigger fool of himself.
Continue on...or WAKE UP!
Amusedola
ola
Well then paule, if I am predestined for hell, I haven't a chance right? Might as well rape, pillage and plunder and make you much miserabler than you are?
Get a grip you folks...you are talking goofiness.
ola
Paule......................................my #5454????
In some way you think this post to Castle concerns you or in some way is referring to you?
The world does not revolve about you paule.
ola
NorthWesterner...........................read it again:
Of lions and zebras, birds and worms;
Murder, rape and ravage?
One a natural banquet
The other dirty savage.
A million termites dying of drought or a hundred humans of disease...all natural. Nature has an extremely vicious attitude towards life...as civilized people see it.
To kill 7,000,000 Jews and say it is natural? Hardly.
It is human savagery...
If a God created us he was a twisted, sadistic son of a bitch.
A God didn't create us or the termites...and one certainly doesn't run the throttle on life, death and disease. The God argument is preposterous in the complete lack of evidence for his existence.
Our existence came about through an evolutionary set of occurrences in favorable circumstances, taken advantage of by a dominant and recurring theme. This applies to ALL life in the present 2002
Darwola
jarsch501
Actually NASCAR drivers are ALL in top physical shape and have workout schedules similiar to Football Players. You can't drive if you do not have superior physical strength nor will you survive some of the wrecks.
It is a VERY physical sport.
F-1 is fine if you like computer driven slot cars which always disintergrate if they so much as touch another car or obstacle.
NASCAR is rugged autos, 358 cu.in. limit, 3300 lb. limit, aerodynamic limits and even intake air limits at some tracks.
Good old "Detroit Iron" and it will be around a long time.
F-1 is where you are challenging the track...NASCAR is where you are challenging other drivers.
Bumps, bangs and rammady bams are common and they "keep on trucking" not F-1...bunch of flimsies.
By the way, NASCAR does have road races.
ola
BobZ...obvious you need more guns...eom
ola
ttmd4...if joemoney says "we all know"..."we" is joemoney
ola
Winds & Percussion?...he gets lots of winds and percussion here.
ola
Bird of Prey..............................I seeeeeeeeeeee!
If we deny God's existence we are evil? Hehehehe
But he "allows" me to deny his existence? Mighty mighty generous of that posturing fool.
Of course he "allows" me to deny him, he has no choice in the matter. We are talking the "tooth fairy" here Bird.
(I love talking to kids)
And I love your contention that natural physical laws are the twisted invention of the evil non-believers.
You put lots of nuts on your breakfast cereal?
ola
Thank goodness they realize the absolute need for complete separation of religion and state.
Get these goofy Christian Radicals in and they will have God calling the shots. "But God told me to"
That is precisely why we have separation of church and state.
The compositors of the Constitution were educated men who realized the advantages of paying "lip service" to the ignorant religious masses.
However, when it came to God and Government they realized that strict guidelines should be laid down to keep the goofiness out.
If this goofus thinks people are laughing behind his back?...He is correct!
Nothing more than that folks...Very patriotic.
ola
PMSWitch...riceboypics do not download...eom
ola
Answer ......... to an attempt to equate man and beast:
Of lions and zebras, birds and worms;
Murder, rape and ravage?
One a natural banquet
The other dirty savage.
O.Lafaye
NorthWesterner.......................apples and oranges!
Of lions and zebras, birds and worms;
Murder, rape and ravage?
One a natural banquet
The other dirty savage.
O.Lafaye
AIM...that IS funny...eom
ola
I have a number of great solutions for the large basket of SI's dirty laundry drug over here...
1- Shove it where the sun doesn't shine.
2- Honor all SI's TOSes and complaints
3- Stuff the laundry in the complainer's mouth and send it all back "Postage Due"
4- Cover the smell with those tree-type air freshner do-hickeys.
5- Keep quiet, don't answer the door.
6- And best of all: Let them sink their own ship.
ola
Remember RB............................ongoing disaster!!!
Raging Bull's strait laced TOS policies and bending to the will of manipulative posters backed by a bunch of sychophants and professional "Yes men" resulted in some very good, well respected posters being booted from the board.
RB did not bother researching the reasons why as you see IHub doing. Someone would cast aspersions on your mother's species to which you replied in self-defense. Being gentlemanly about it you didn't complain about their "bitch" post. But they? "They" have no qualms about taking advantage of your principled conduct.
In essence, this is what is going on here at IHub:
What we have here is a concerted effort to cause trouble by a bunch of self-serving, thin skinned people with no significant inter-personal posting skills. They bear a terrible grudge for IHub and it's members.
ola
Bird of Prey.................I realize Matt is very busy.
Maybe when he gets the time he can address these issues and burn all the books also.
You are asking for a vindictive, controlling TOS policy. To have that, the administration would have to review each case and act as judge and jury.
One yappy poster wants favored treatment and things done their way and wants them NOW! or else...that is the essence of the full complaint.
Getting people to agree with you should not involve manipulating the administration.
What you call "lack" is possibly very wise on their part.
"Nothing is always a good thing to say, and often a good thing to do"
ola
jmhollen
Almost any major manufacturer's additive for whatever your automotive problem, works.
We are past 100 years now. Lots of research behind us. Dorman Smoke Stoppers, STP, Rislone, Gas Treatment, Marvel Mystery Oil etc. these preparations WORK!
Marvel Mystery Oil is a true marvel...works everywhere.
I carry powdered graphite for power steering and rear end problems. Old old trick there...advice on request.
ola
Castle?..........................Coffee please Carolyn.
How nice to see you. Yes, it would be nice to have some of the people over here. I sent $50 in even tho' I was grandfathered but then I give $50 as a standard to all operations doing something that I consider worthwhile and serving men in some way.
I think I can maintain a firm atheist stance, be funny and watch the market from here without ruffling many feathers. RB had more than it's share of goomballs worth chain rattling and kicking a bit. Not quite the same here.
I grant you the $50 is a deterrent to riff raff and personal "hands on" is where it is at. Makes the place human. Carolyn and Vivian should get along fine.
I have tried to spread the word through e-mails and posts. Rb pulls my posts. I have gone through most of my aliases fighting them then leaving and returning to re-post IHub chatter. They use a word search...what morons.
Scaling downola
paule................wear something thick on your back.
You who rely on hope and faith in God. People are going to be stepping all over you.
I liked the story of the motorist stranded in snow; kept a journal. He was found dead several 100 yards from clear road. Seems he stayed with the car for some 6 or 7 weeks secure in the knowledge that "God would rescue him" Happened right here in Oregon...moronic beliefs.
God helps those who help themselves. Heard that one?
ola
Paule...hurry hurry hurry...waste your time...dream on.
ola
NorthWesterner
If he wants all this disease, poverty, malnutrition, murder, rape, pillage and burning then show me this ubiquitous, compassionate, forgiving all loving son-of-a-bitch and I will personally wring his neck...standard offer.
ola
NorthWesterner
All is NOT right with the world and if you continue to turn it over to "God" it will never be right.
Get active...that will be the ONLY evidence of ANYONE doing something.
ola
Castle...did I say welcome?...nice speed here eh?...eom
ola
Graywolf
Yeah...those really long drives go well with a couple bottles of whiskey...I like it when they take ordinary, beer type drinkers, give them two or three shots of straight whiskey and then immediately have them drive a car...filming the whole thing and presenting it as "evidence"...lol...lol
ola