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How does the monthly voice and data plans compare for someone with a carrier subsidised phone, versus someone who owns a phone outright?
McGregor is FPG's kind of analyst. ;p
Ashraf,
In respect of your Intel loses the Samsung Galaxy Tab article;
Surely the improvement in BayTrail over CloverTrail(+) was greater than the improvement the ARMy forces managed in the same time frame, so if CloverTrail(+) was good enough a year or so ago, how come BayTrail ain't good enough now.
There is something you haven't quite nutted out here.
AMD will likely hang around for a while, but hang around like VIA hangs around.
He doesn't know what he means. ;p
Ashraf,In respect of your Intel loses the Samsung Galaxy Tab article;
Surely the improvement in BayTrail over CloverTrail(+) was greater than the improvement the ARMy forces managed in the same time frame, so if CloverTrail(+) was good enough a year or so ago, how come BayTrail ain't good enough now.
There is something you haven't quite nutted out here.
You don't speak for me.
Very happy to see Ashraf on this board and at other places too.
Walbert there is a QUOTE function you can use, to save you using square brackets. ;p
That is one hell of a statement by such a Windows advocate.
Windows 8 has set back Microsoft, and Windows, by years, and possibly for good.
My What If scenario(say in 20yrs time) included the unlikely prospect that literally every other architecture had withered away to nothing and ARM had overwhelming software compiled dominance.
To get to this scenario, we would have seen a painful transition of just about all programs currently running on x86, transition over to ARM.
At that point, I would imagine that there would be tremendous reluctance then to go to a new architecture, after such a porting process.
So in this hypothetical scenario, how far could ARM jack up licensing fees.
If it is currently 1.5%, could they go to 5%?
In such a scenario, I wonder what the tipping point would be?
How much could ARM jack the royalty rates up, before there would be a revolt/rallying around an alternate architecture?
Many of the Anyone But Intel crowd think that an ARM dominated landscape would be some kind of semiconductor and consumer Utopia, but I very much doubt that.
Yes I know it is not in ARM's interest to do that now, what I am asking is, what would constrain them down the road if x86 was effectively dead, Intel and everyone else, was making only ARM chips?
What then stops them from massively hiking up royalties?
The contact claims that Intel was "still trying to scale GenX to mobile".
The contact claims that Intel was "still trying to scale GenX to mobile".
On a slight tangent, if down the road, many years ahead, ARM managed to be the dominant architecture and Intel was forced to go the ARM route themselves for mobile, desktop and even server, what constraints would there be on ARM jacking up licensing costs by 100%, 200%, 400% etc?
Who the hell was choosing 1 and/or 2 EU's and how can someone that clueless about the intended market, be in this position?
This sort of stuff is what worries me about Intel's mobile efforts the most, they just don't seem to get it, and if left in charge for years, could see the rest of the decade being a "lost decade" for Intel.
Well I won't be expecting much from Samsung's homegrown mobile CPU's. ;p
And with these Intel folk being hired, does it mean that the accumulated knowledge argument that Chipguy was making, doesn't give Intel the advantages that one might have thought Intel would have?
2) Everything else is far from equal. No one other company has
either as good process technology as Intel to make high performance
MPUs or the accumulated knowledge how to design high performance
CPU cores, cache hierarchies, memory systems, and system fabrics.
I have never bought a version of Windows for an existing PC of mine that already had a previous version and I doubt many people do.
Every time I have purchased a new Version of Windows it was usually because it was time for a whole new computer anyway, and/or because I wanted the new Windows(i.e. Win 95), and then went and bought a new computer for it.
I really don't think the problem for Intel is that Win 8 is less demanding than Win 7, but rather it doesn't appeal to people, so they are holding onto existing systems longer than they would have otherwise have done, if Win 8 was well received.
Haswell was meant to be the big redesign of x86, so what likelihood of seeing Skylake going to 5 or 6 issue?
As for IPC improvements in Skylake, considering the modest gains we have seen since Sandy Bridge, I think anyone touting 30-50% increase at the same clocks, is a candidate for a padded cell.
We will be lucky to see 10%, 15% absolute tops.
I have no problem with anyone being disappointed in Intel's efforts at Mobile, I am just puzzled that you seem so certain that Logan will be this home run, when Nvidia strike me as being very prone to exaggeration, or at best, obfuscation.
But as to Logan's potency, its 192 GPU cores is half of the number that go into a discrete GeForce 630, is it not?
Now I don't know if the clockspeeds of the GPU cores in Logan will be the same as they were in the discrete GF630, or lower, but how does 16 Gen 8 EU's likely stack up against half a GF630?
Yes but considering Tegra 4 was a power hog, why are you so certain that this won't be the case for Logan.
That 7" Logan tablet might only be able to run for 2 -3 hours.
Why are you so certain that Logan will not be another Tegra 4?
Haven't all Nvidia shown is Powerpoint slides?
How do you know it isn't a power hog?
Unfortunately for Intel, NVIDIA got its act together with Logan and Qualcomm keeps pushing on ahead.
Thanks for that explanation. :)
About a year ago, a friend had a McAfee package on his computer, not sure if it was just anti-virus or some kind of complete "Internet Protection" package, but it made his computer run dog slow whenever accessing the internet.
At first we just thought he hadn't swept for Spyware, but even after removing what Spyware we found with MS Security Essentials and Spybot, it was still slow as molasses when accessing the internet.
I decided to uninstall the McAfee package and sure enough, the internet browsing experience returned to normal.
Norton's gave another friend of mine a similar experience, so it also is in my blacklist.
I'm glad you noted that McAfee brings frustrations as a consumer product, because I absolutely hate McAfee as an anti-virus choice and will go out of my way to uninstall it from any friend's PC that I encounter.
Similarly, as I strongly suspect that there will be rival malware products, I would gravitate to them over McAfee on a smartphone.
Intel's 14nm process over their rivals 28nm process is only a 20% advantage?
Because it is better you slaughter and eat your cash cow, than have someone else do it for you.
With x86, there is a massive infrastructure behind it, that can be leveraged right now for tablets/2 in 1's, etc and eventually dockable phones.
It is extremely unlikely that i960 or another architecture without such a massive infrastructure base available to it, coming from Intel, would work AND following your suggest would see Intel sowing the seeds for x86's eventual destruction.
Because a Cloverfield+ phone is unlikely to provide a compelling user experience, so what is the chance this will be a big seller?
fpg loves his fashion. He is even going to get a tailor to resize all his pockets, so that he can carry around a 7" Phablet.
Makes me wonder how much good or harm to themselves, Intel & the PC market, Microsoft will do, with Win 9.
If it is also a dog, heaven help us all.
I can't help but ponder how bad things would have been if Microsoft had followed on from Vista with Win 8/Metro, instead of Win 7.
When I read SA from my PC, it won't let me go to Page 2, unless I login.
So in that sense, they aren't penalising Tablet or Smartphone users, over PC users.
Koog,
Are you logged into Seeking Alpha when you get the prompt to download the App?
Ashraf,
Microsoft, too, is in a good place
How much performance will Intel be asking people to give up?
In recent times I have built two systems for friends using Celerons & Pentiums respectively, knowing I was getting great single core performance out of those dual core processors.
If only BayTrail processors had been available as a Celeron or Pentium, I probably would have gone AMD instead.
LOL. With that fourth photo, that is exactly what I am looking for in a laptop.
That was what inspired my question, but I was thinking more along the lines of x86 compatibility and the Windows world.
How far away are we from docking our phones and having them be our "Personal Computer"(maybe not for power users, but less demanding users)?
I would have thought that it would give Microsoft a big edge if they were able to say that you can turn your Windows Phone into your PC, but that can only really happen with an Intel CPU/SoC powering their phones.
Ashraf,
Are you expecting Moorefield to clock significantly higher than BayTrail?
When BayTrail beats the A7, does it not do so primarily on the basis of having twice the number of cores?