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Dude, I thought we went over this already. ALIEN TECHNOLOGY!!! Who needs stinkin' credibility when we have ALIEN TECHNOLOGY? Merry Christmas. Do the smart thing and thank Santa later You know, the guy that flies around in a sleigh decked out in that strange outfit. Don't ask. The Ants conspiracy goes deep.
You mean Murphy follows you around too
"C'mon T... c'mon rbb... whats really goin on here?"
You only thought the world didn't end the other day. Joe Kozak is a direct descendant of Adam Weishaupt, and the illuminati meet in his basement where they orchestrate all things Ants which with it's alien gifted technology will soon allow them domination in world affairs. Bashers beware.
Expediter, I'm not a subscriber. You'll have to send me your email in a PM.
Sure, but I'd rather Ants took customers themselves with the ADS via the ACS. You have to remember that Citi was interested in the ACS product to get away from Sybase but they didn't want to go to Oracle, and the way the story goes, the relationship with IBM was born. Lesson - we have to be where the customers want to go, and selling the ADS may be an uphill battle. As far as I know the SQL skin for Sybase is still on IBM's website. If they're selling any, we sure aren't getting anything, but I doubt any sales are taking place. You can see the known limitations of that product on IBM's website. Was this part of the problem? All products have limitations. Would any of these have been enough to almost deep six the company? And why didn't IBM try to buy us like HP was reported to have thought about doing? Then there's always my pet theory involving SAP buying Sybase. Lot's of questions we may never know the answers to. I wonder why Joe & company didn't try to use the ACS to sell the ADS? Limited resources for one. Maybe a buy out was in the thinking since the products inception, after all Joe sold a previous company to Oracle. And making headway without a partner would be more difficult. If the AAA is everything it's said, that is our best bet. Sell the ADS with or without it, depending on the need and license the AAA version of the ACS to any company that wants to use it. Let the best man win, and since we are the dealer, let's stack the deck in favor of the ADS
Alright, I'm vacillating again( and obsessing), but most here have no idea of the importance of this. I'm still convinced the ADS is the original unadulterated product, but am leaning the other way regarding the ACS. Reading this excerpt from the website gives the impression that it will work with any two databases.
"ANTs Compatibility Server is a database virtualization middleware solution that allows application code — queries, stored procedures, and functions — from legacy databases to run natively and transparently against the new target database with minimal to no application rewriting and recompiling. The legacy application operates as if it were still communicating with the original legacy database, while the new target database operates as if it were communicating with a native application."
The original ACS would only work with Sybase on one end and Oracle or IBM on the other and OK, the the above could still be referring to the 2 versions known to exist, but nowhere on that page does it mention those 3 companies in the proper context. It mentions 2 of them later on, but in the context of rewrites and recompiled, which I believe is talking about the database you're moving from. Having other libraries besides Sybase mentioned makes me very curious. I'm starting to get giddy again. C'mon Rik, confirm it!
What's a hasp? I have never spoken to him, only emailed. Highly intelligent people do not necessarily make good leaders. I think he knows his strengths and consequently put Rik in charge. And Rik is younger. Running a virtual start-up such as this must require obscene amounts of time and energy. If that PR I quoted from in the other email is accurate the ADS was part of the new Ants before Rik came aboard, and his hiring falls into a perfectly ordered plan. IMO Frank is way too involved now to be out of the picture. We shall see.
I really need to disable that. Hurts more than helps. Looking up obscure recordings on Amazon drives me nuts.
Tiger, tiger, tiger. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Predictable at least. It was a hypothetical question. I'm curious as well, in a disengenuous sort of way But I realize that Alan Dinsmore, Rik Sanchez, Frank Kautzmann, and Bruce Brown are all attracted to "pipe dreams", as history would bear out. Sure........And by the way, there are lots of people giving this stock the "benefit of the doubt". I'm one. It's hard not to be one when the market cap for this potential looks to be about 3 million dollars. Get the filings done and remove all doubt then where do you think we will sit price-wise?
I believe you are sincere in your opinion of Frank, nevertheless I disagree. Explain how his remaking of the ACS fits your thinking. Do you not believe it is real? It was stated that Don Haderle took a look and gave it his blessing. And here is part of the PR "Market Praise"
MASON, Ohio, July 11, 2012 /PRNewswire/ -- ANTs Software, Inc. (Pink Sheets: ANTS; www.ants.com), an Advanced Software Technology product company, announced today that the new Architectural design enhancements for the ACS (ANTs Compatibility Server) has been lauded as 'revolutionary' by former and existing clients of ANTs. The Advanced ACS is expected to reduce marketing lead times and increased licensing revenues for ANTs.
ANTs Software, Inc. develops the ANTs Compatibility Server, an innovative middleware solution that accelerates database consolidation between database vendors enabling application portability. The ACS, a middleware technology that would allow customers to move applications from one database to another database, enables enterprises to consolidate their applications onto fewer databases. It also develops, markets, and supports ANTs Data Server. The company was formerly known as ANTs software.com and changed its name to ANTs Software, Inc. in July 2000. The mission of ANTs Software is to help customers drive down IT operating costs by consolidating hardware and software infrastructure, and eliminating cost inefficiencies.
How then will it fit in with the rest of the puzzle? Leaving Frank out of the equation makes absolutely no sense to me. If Franks product is real then it will find it's way into the marketplace. No one on this board has satisfactorily explained why the original ACS failed in the marketplace, and until we understand that completely, we can't gauge how successful it might be under new tightly budgeted leadership. Who knows, maybe some of the companies that were looking at it might bite even if the product was not perfect, but if the cost was right. The bottom line is, we need the AAA. Did you notice the mention of the ADS in the above release? That was early July, and I don't believe it was a mistake. I also think that is why Rik was brought in. I firmly believe the ACS or AAA could be combined with the ADS to create an unbeatable product in the marketplace. We can probably be a growing company without the AAA or a ACS/ADS combo, but adding those two to the mix puts a smile on my face.
Do you remember the letter where Frank stated he had funded Ants up to this point and it was time for shareholders to carry on from here. Well, one of my suspicions is the funds didn't come in as expected and Frank had to improvise. I don't know this, it's just a thought I've had. Anybody here partake in the preferreds?
Since the kindly administrator has removed my post for being off topic, I'll try again. Frank didn't fire Joe. Joe resigned. Let's see. We have a post at the top of the stickies with incorrect information in it(lawsuits with Fletcher and Ironridge among other things). Tiger puts false speculation(I'll be generous) on the board. I correct him. And my post is removed and his is left? Do I have that about right? Is this any way to run a reputable site?
T, as you know I can be a stickler for facts. This is from the 10K.
"On June 28, 2010, we entered into an Employment Agreement with Mr. Kozak under which we increased Mr. Kozak’s compensation. We also granted a stock option and a restricted stock grant to Mr. Kozak. Pursuant to the Employment Agreement, we increased Mr. Kozak’s annual salary from $250,000 to $500,000. Mr. Kozak continues to be eligible to receive a cash bonus of up to $250,000, payable annually. Previously, Mr. Kozak’s bonus compensation was payable semi-annually. In accordance with the Employment Agreement, we also (i) granted Mr. Kozak an option covering 3.50 million shares of Common Stock, at an exercise price per share of $1.10, and (ii) granted Mr. Kozak a restricted stock award covering 3.50 million shares of Common Stock; all at a price of $1.10 per share, the closing price of our Common Stock on the date of the grant, and both vesting in three equal installments beginning on the first anniversary of the grant date. Mr. Kozak elected to have a portion of his salary paid in shares of our Common Stock. For the 2010 fiscal year, $64,583 of his salary was paid by the issuance of shares of our Common Stock.
The Employment Agreement has a term ending June 30, 2013, but may be terminated at any time with or without cause. However, in the event of termination of the Employment Agreement by us without Cause as defined therein, or by Mr. Kozak for Good Reason, as defined therein, in each case not associated with our change in control, then certain severance benefits accrue including three years of Mr. Kozak’s base salary and full vesting of all stock options and restricted stock grants, possibly among other things."
Note the increase. At this point in time things were looking real good, and this salary was not out of line with industry standards. Out of line with my standards, but that's different
Excellent. I 'm not a computer expert, but am fascinated with physics and technology in general, and can become a little obsessed. Here's the bottom line. Guys like Frank, Rik, Alton, and Bruce are high level professionals, and would not associate themselves with this risk if they didn't see a huge upside.
Have them talk to the company I'm suprised they were unaware of the product. Interesting. They went from Sybase to Oracle? The first version was written for that purpose. I don't think there are any real technical reviews out there. Something caused the product problems and the stock to implode before that got a chance to happen. BJC was(I'm sure) given the product for their testimonial. Nothing wrong there, but that was the product that for some(various?) reason didn't make it in the marketplace. Now Franks new architecture should solve any technical issues, and is supposed to be universally compatible(from any database to any database with little to no coding by hand as I understand it), but....we have no idea as to it's status. The original ACS was supposed to have a second life with specialized uses. I thought exactly that when the ADS came up on the website, but can find no evidence so far that the ACS or part of the ACS is being combined in any way with the ADS. I fail to see how this won't eventually happen. We have, by many accounts, the fastest database out there. We also have software that almost eliminates migration issues. Is it incorrect for me to think that since those two products have overlapping technology the ADS might be the best database candidate for use with the original ACS? They would still have to write a version so suited though, and in so doing pick a database to migrate from. I don't know. Maybe the ADS would best be combined with the ACS advanced architecture aka the AAA. Patience...patience.
To see my point go to the Ants website Data Server page. Click on the PDF 3.4 datasheet. Read through it and note the date. Now I still believe the company can sell this with Rik, but until it's more "compatible" I don't believe we'll see the revenues that can send us hurtling into the stratosphere. Maybe I'm missing something. I hope so. I want the fun to start yesterday!
Not dreaming.
The "Europe thing" was one of many implementations of the original ACS software, so not really relevant now. Just posted it because I'd never seen the article before, and gives a good sense of the product, imperfect though it may have been. Frank "tweekin' the software is a critical point. His version, by what we've heard, could really re-ignite this fire. I'm of the opinion that Frank is still basically running things. He's invested a lot of time and money. The story goes that he came here at the request of a friend who's an investor. Look who was handling IR for a while. An investor of several years. Having a shareholder aligned with him is probably good for us. Then there's the whole Ants TX thing and why Rik would even broach the subject in a shareholder letter. I believe we'll get there. And my first look at the new website got me fired up, but now I'm unsure if we are dealing with the original products or somewhat advanced ones. I guess only the company knows for sure. Somebody want to play a prospective customer?
Todd, I believe it had those capabilities before being sold to 4Js. Now I don't pretend to be a database expert(I'm learning:), but I believe this product can really get a boost by combining with the ACS, which I've now come to think they may not be doing yet. Read this article about the ACS. It gives hints of the genesis of that product out of the ADS. So the ADS probably has more compatability built in than other databases, but not up to the ACS. It didn't appear to be setting the world on fire at 4Js, so even with Rik behind things, it probably won't set any fires here...unless there have been changes. And I'm not sure that has happened....yet. Here's hoping I'm wrong And note the SAP/Sybase comments in the article. I can't shake the suspicion this had at least some part in the downfall.
http://www.informationweek.com/software/information-management/ibm-to-migrate-sybase-customers-to-db2/225200014
Here's another interesting article I stumbled across while doing research:
http://www.realwire.com/releases/ANTs-Software-Delivers-the-Perfect-Prescription-for-Database-and-Application-Migration-to-Large-European-Healthcare-Provider
These types lie. Check his(without "the beast") original post. I could find no evidence of lawsuits with Fletcher or Ironridge as he claimed in that post. Beware strangers.....
I believe they are going to use the ACS or the AAA to sell the ADS whether now or in the future. From any understanding you have of either product and using the information available on the web site do you think they are currently doing that? The original ACS(which I believe this is) has 2 versions that we know of so you would think that it couldn't be used to migrate data from, say an Oracle or Informix database to the ADS. But another thing to consider is the overlapping technology between the ACS and the ADS. Could this help in using the ACS to migrate data to the ADS? I believe an ACS/ADS combo can be a monster and first reading the new website made me sure that's what they were currently doing, but further reading and thought made me less sure. Everything points upward. Rik and the ADS, Alan Dinsmore on the TAD with hints of big names to come there, a money counter, and an excellent board pick. I just want to know whether to be extremely bullish or hyper- bullish.
PS - our horse is in the lead today(website - bottom of page)
MGD, if I did say that I can't remember. Did make a post about finding it curious that Frank was talking about the Navy contract, and finding it curious that the revenue sharing agreement had expired. I couldn't locate that post, but I did find #14188, dated Oct. 6th which talks about the mention of the ADS in a PR. They may have owned it before then. You strike me as a technical type. What's your take on the selling of the ADS? On the one hand, we have quotes like " conversion time is reduced from months to weeks and even days. ", and on the other, the things I've been posting about.
Excellent. Didn't notice that. I was sure Ants was selling a package until I focused on this quote, and other things in the PDF links.
"No other database combines universal compatibility with six databases with such a low total cost of ownership"
That's not exactly the way I would define universal compatibility - six. I still think the motive behind this is to sell the ADS via the ACS, but with the current information things are not adding up. Help me out.
Rik, a little clarification is needed here. The Genero db(what they call the ADS) still appears to be on 4Js site. Is this a licensing situation?. Thinking about this more and looking over some of the PDFs on Ants site left me a little confused. I'm not a database guy. Exactly what is the relationship of the ACS to the ADS in terms of Ants selling of them? Has the ADS or ACS been tweaked in any substantial way? Assuming this is not the AAA, individual versions had to be specifically written(which took time & money) for the original ACS. Why does this not seem to apply to the ADS assuming the ACS is directly involved in selling it? Are there stuations where the ADS doesn't benefit from the ACS? And why no mention of the 2 known versions of the ACS on that page? Having an easy migration path to the ADS strikes me as absolute gold, and believe that's what is going on here, but the more I think about it the bigger the mountain of questions gets. Most of us investors are not database gurus. This stuff clearly isn't private at this point, so when you release some press regarding the ADS please address some of the points these questions are getting at.
Sorry Adam, I guess I'm old school. Not very politically correct. You're not going to make people behave a certain way just because you're nice, although I won't be mean or vicious. If you don't see their games be very careful valuing opinions online, including mine.
"For you to think that I'm solely responsible for shaking the tree flatters me but I don't have that kind of ego."
Who said anything about you being solely responsible
At this point I don't care. Don't like others being scared out of their positions though. I can see the blinding light at the end of the tunnel.
Amazing. We know Koolaid wants in cheap. Mmmm, errr, well cheaper. Maybe he's not the only one.
" I'll take that as a compliment since imo tp is the most discerning poster here"
If you define discerning as having a predominately negative to the point of being biased viewpoint. Hmmmm. Quite complementary. Are you trying to convince me of my suspicions
Having said several times that the ACS and the ADS were selling as a package, I should point out that it is not stated explicitly on the site (that I've seen). However, I fail to see how it could be otherwise, given the way the product is described. For example:
"With the ANTs Data Server, conversion costs are significantly lower than open source databases and conversion time is reduced from months to weeks and even days."
I wonder if Doc found a way to integrate the 2 products what with the overlapping technology. I find it interesting that this came out of left field. That letter with the outline for the future didn't even hint at this. If we bought the ADS, as opposed to licensed, what do you think the possibilities are that Hersh came with the deal?
Cool it guys. Tiger(and i'm not entirely sure you and Tiger aren't one and the same)is referring to the ACS problems in 2011. And we don't know the full extent of the problems. Software issues, product not completely up to all the jobs, and who knows what else. We're not talking about the ACS here. I don't believe any migration work needs to be doneDoc has already mentioned the Navy contract. The first time he did it got me curious because I found the joint agreement with 4Js had expired. But the new website with the ADS front and center explains that. So I believe this work is new, or should I say fresh. It's a full time job keeping up with the two of you.
Understand. Curious myself. It almost assuredly has something to do with Franks private companies. There was a lot of discussion on this back a ways. Go to post #16339 and read forward. I have an academic question. If there was an eventual joining of Ants and Ants TX would it make any difference if one was public and one private, or if they were both public? No, I haven't forgotten the Galtech merger, hence the question.
Yes, correct. Remember when in asking for preferred share funding, he stated (if memory serves) that up to this point he has funded Ants? That's a lot of time and money. Plus, he re-engineered the ACS, now known as the AAA. Who put this package of the ACS and the ADS together? Rik is a salesman, not an engineer. At least not like Frank. And according to T-Master Frank at one time was looking to buy the ADS back. Well it's either licensed or bought back. Remember Rik bringing up our questions about Ants TX in the PR the other week. Why would he do that??? Basically I think Frank's pulling the strings. Sure, I could be wrong. For me, too much evidence points to the contrary.
Yes. Beautiful and professional. Yawn. Don't get me wrong, that's good, but it's the content that is news worthy. Specifically the ADS/ACS package. IMO this is the most important PR(well, so to speak)since the announcement of the original ACS. Do you know how big the database market is dollar wise?
And from the ACS page:
Database Migration Improved
Based on compatibility and advanced connectivity technologies developed by ANTs, the ANTs Compatibility Server is a database virtualization middleware solution that allows application code — queries, stored procedures, and functions — from legacy databases to run natively and transparently against the new target database with minimal to no application rewriting and recompiling. The legacy application operates as if it were still communicating with the original legacy database, while the new target database operates as if it were communicating with a native application.
Eliminate Application Rewrites
The ACS enables improved database migration process with faster to consolidation benefits. Dramatically lower your database related operational costs by elimiating other database license and support fees. Improve your security and compliance with fewer databases.
The Compatibility Server is designed to significantly reduce migration complexity, effort, and cost by:
Automating the processes that current migration tools cannot, saving time and effort
Reducing hand-coding and manual error checking. Many man-months or even years can be required for this, and hand-coding can introduce errors and uncertainty in the process, requiring a significant QA effort to ensure correctness
Avoiding costly application rewrites and recompiles by providing continued use of native access libraries (JDBC, ODBC, Oracle OCI and Sybase DB-LIB or CT-LIB)
Automating the translation of all the database objects
In addition to automating the migration of tables, views, synonyms, constraints and triggers, stored procedures and other server-side application code can be migrated easily and without the difficulty of maintaining computer-generated code.
It is of interest to note that IBM bought Informix in 2001.
Since Muhammad can't come to the mountain.....Here you go T. From the ADS page.
The ANTs Data Server enables high-performance data management. ADS caches database information in real-time and is fully compatible with Oracle, SQL Server, Sybase and Informix data, stored procedures and triggers. Information is distributed in real-time using fast replication technology.
The ANTs Data Server delivers truly impressive database performance at a substantially lower price than is available from any of the better known database vendors. Similar to the Linux revolution, ANTs represents a quantum leap for database price/performance and increases application throughput by reducing the price over 60%* and enhancing performance more than 200%* in enterprise IT run data centers. By using a phased building block approach your IT organization can implement ANTs comfortably without extraordinary effort.
Switching to ANTs will slash costs and double performance. No other database combines universal compatibility with six databases with such a low total cost of ownership to provide real database consolidation and significant improvements in the bottom line.
ANTs offers “out of the box” support for stored procedures, triggers, functions, data types when you migrate from Oracle, SQL Server, Sybase, Informix, MySQL, and TimesTen databases. With the ANTs Data Server, conversion costs are significantly lower than open source databases and conversion time is reduced from months to weeks and even days.
Enterprise data center capabilities
ANTs is designed to run a company’s mission critical applications. It comes standard with enterprise caliber replication, on-line backup, failover, and disaster recovery.
I'd say it's more than hinting and my bet's with them. The biggest current concern I have is one that has bedeviled this company from the beginning. It's size. That's in part why IBM was involved. To give us stability. The 30 day trial is another take on that. But, I don't think we're done with IBM yet.
Or at the very least made some sort of licensing agreement.
For any that may have doubts about the ADS.
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20523.wss
The AAA may not be involved yet as I speculated the other day. I think they're using the original ACS in this package. Remember, there is a crossover in technology between the ADS and the original ACS. That may help. Note the phrase universal compatibility below. If that is so, just wait til the AAA is added to the mix.
"Switching to ANTs will slash costs and double performance. No other database combines universal compatibility with six databases with such a low total cost of ownership to provide real database consolidation and significant improvements in the bottom line."