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I never professed to know anything about the specifics of this stock and use this board to keep up on those specifics and the legal goings on.
Seems odd that there were no posts for a couple of hours and yet the stock was down more than a buck.
I would have expected at least dmiller to pontificate how he knew this drop was coming.
maybe it is a april fools joke
We have so many inane posts about what ifs and 100 dollar stock price and billions owed and the stock is down 1.22 and no one is commenting?
does anybody have any thoughts to what I is going on?
no way the stock is getting hurt because an impending ban or a payment to idcc is antipcated!!! if that were the case, why isnt the positive of that affecting IDCC?
it is getting hurt because the company has products that no one is interested in buying. there was a brief interest in the lumina this year, but that has waned and no one is interested in using their phones or holding on to their stock.
stop with the rose colored glasses
Mick
If it comes down to that and all 6 items that Fish lists are completed and or settled, you have my word that i wont say and word about your cheerleading and you can go on pontificating about those deadbeat non cell phone manufacturers till you are blue in the face (or green from all the money we made!!!!)
DEAL???
Guys
Was Just wonderinng if anything has been posted with respect to transcripts for the trial that is completing today?
I would appreciate any insights or updates as I have been away from the computer and unable to get caught up on posts
thanks
Doc
We have had more than enough bad news from this company and they have never halted the stock.
i put an order to sell mine last night, but did not get there. Seems a bit odd this morning as we have traded 150,000 shareas in 10 mins and seems they are trying to keep a lid on the SP.
i always kick myself not to sell some before earnings
ScruffyNC
I got your personal reply and i appreciate it. Sorry my account does not allow for a private reply.
I agree that i should do the same
thanks again
Doc
Did i miss something? What did we hear this week that leads you to believe other than your "gut" feeling that this is coming to an end anytime soon?
All due respect, but these types of post are what helps to fuel the fire for the 2 dollar decrease in our share price on tuesday. There was no real information that came out of the trial that would cause the stock to fall and thanks to our legal experts they calmed the situation and we are basically back to where we were when we started the week.
With the trial going on, there are new people or people that dont visit the site often popping in to see what they can find out about the hearing and when reading your posts that may get a false sense of security.
i know i constantly bug you about this, but you have to be consious of the people that dont read your posts enough to realize that your optimism gets the best of you some time.
Mickey
I have no idea if you are right or wrong and frankly nor do you. I understand it is your opinion and no one is begruding you to have one, but you cant keep saying the same thing over and over again in slightly different words and think that it is ok. You said it enough already. i would be Ok to have a daily mickey opinion post, but leave it at that.
Now you are again, arguing with Olddog over his recent take on the nokia proceedings for no factual reason other than it is different than you opinion.
I think everyone here if asked would say while we hoped these latest wins might give nokia a reason to settle they dont believe nokia is going to give up now, not after this extended fight. So let it play out and give us one opinion post a day.
When it happens and we see a check for a billion bucks, i will be sure to give you the props for finally being right, until than can we just limit the cheerleading.
OD
Why should the facts get in the way of Mickeys good story??
We are all here because we believe in this stock and we believe the light at the end of the tunnel is not a train, but something has to give about the constant JMO posts on the fact that nokia will settle and they will be writing a check for a billion dollars sooner rather than later that we see from mickey 5 or 6 times a day
There is no justification or evidence whatsoever for the constant pie in the sky awards and frankly it is bordering on irrepsonsiblity to constantly be stating this for every new person who comes to this site to see what is going on who does not know mickey as an incessant cheerleader.
I come here to read the likes of you,and many of the other legal experts who provide us a laymens explanation of the legal goings on like this one who I am quite sure mickey will agrue with an rant on for another 3 or 4 posts.
I know i should just put him on ignore but one day i hope he will be correct and he can take his curtain call, but until than someone needs to temper him.
I know somewhere dmiller is laughing over this and surely is counting all his heaps of money.
Sorry to complain, but it is really getting old
DWS
I love it, but being a hearthrob like myself, i was more partial to potsey!!!!!
hey ralph, all that positive news that you copied and pasted on Jan 15 said nothing about the dividend being suspended.
Now a few days before earnings they drop that bomb after giving a dividend for over 20 years.
does not sound all that promising to me!!
By the way "Sit on it MALPH"
hey mickey you can ask the question you can also answer the question but you cant do both!!!
I love how you ask olddog for his opinion he gives it and than you sit there and argue with him.
regarding your opinions no one asks for them and yet you continue to give them with these outrageous outlandish outcomes!
you more than anybody knows how this works with nokia. you have been in this stock forever and nokia has been fighting tooth and nail and now because they suspend their dividend everyone thinks nokia is caving>???
they will never give up until they have no other options and even when you think there out of options they will find another.
Focus on something else. Didnt i hear someone say "this is not just about nokia any more"?
O Dog
is this something you expected to see?
Old Dog and Data
You guys get an A for effort that is for sure with this guy.
Frankly Data your last post really helped me understand it better even if mickey doesnt.
Thanks for all the good work you guys do
mickey
come up for air and listen to what olddog is saying!!!!
Talking to you is like talking to the wall, you simply dont listen. You sit there typing how much smarter olddog is than you are and when he tells you something now for the THIRD time all you want to do is argue with him
As I said to you yesterday and he has said to you today, everyone is happy with the recent news regarding nokia, but to think that nokia just goes away now after they spent this much time battleing it out is naive to say the least.
they wont give up.
I am a positive person too, actually too positive as i allowed this stock to run to 82 twice and not sell and shame on me for hearing what i wanted to hear when i read this site. We all invest at our own risk and should never blame someone else for our failiings, but lets take some responsiblity to the new people that come in and out of this site seeing what is going on only to see you ramble on about 1/10th of 3000 price per share.
Geez!!!!
Mickey
I dont know what nokia would do and frankly I am guessing most here dont know what Nokia will do based on this latest setback, but what i do know is that we have thought nokia has been up against the wall many many times before and their houdini act continues to allow them to delay their heads from encountering the chopping block.
I think this latest news with rimm and sony is moving us in the right direction and giving people the thought that nokia is dead, buried with the ban coming is frankly a bit irresponsible.
i say this because the stock has made a nice consistent move up in to nearly the mid 40's and i dont want some negative news that may come from nokias next exploits to temper the positive feel we have going now.
Again, my humble opinion.
by the way, i know you are a bit older and may not get the oh mickey song reference, but i could not find a Sinatra song that used your name in such a positive light!!! lolol
Mickey mickey mickey
When i read your posts it reminds me of the song in the early 80's called " Oh Mickey"
the song starts out by saying oh mickey your so fine, your so fine you blow my mind, hey mickey, hey mickey.
We all appreciate the positive news that came out yesterday, but you have to temper it because nokia has been in these situations many times before and everyone thinks this is it, they are done. Well until they are done, or until they are banned or settled no one should think that nokia will go away quietly.
I hope they do, but right now it is obvious the street does not think that since on a day that the market was up and we got positive news, idcc was down.
Just my 2 cents
my shares are held in an account with etrade and i have not seen anything yet
shorting now?? according to you, you have been shorting for more than a few weeks if not a few months.
Which is it??
he is likely not short just mad that things have drug on and his options expired!
trying to time major stock price moving events is a little like figuring out how many angels fit on the head of a pin. you cant and he is just mad that they expired worthless.
I have made money in the run up in july on options and gave alot of it back because i bought out until december..
you cant trade options with this stock unless you can predict the future
that was not the question
whats with all the shares? 318k traded already and lately that has been a whole day of trading!!
any ideas
your bull alright~~
All i said was the fact that your not telling the truth about how your invested. Somebody who is wrong or short on this stock would not refer to the stock or company as WE. that is all i said.
he was right in calling the SA was going to come to and end with nothing, but besides that when has he really been right
when i want your trading opinion i will ask. I have been in this stock for double digit years and dont sweat too much the constant movements in this stock. you invest in a stock after you do your own due diligence and you do NOT rely solely on what you read on a board like this regardless of how good the info is. Frankly other than you saying the SA was not going to be completed nothing you have said is right.
do i regret not selling this summer went it went too 82, sure, but it moved that high because the buy out potential and it was believed it would fetch more than nortel and it would have been silly to do so knowing the possiblities. Only dmiller is smart enough to see in the future.
i have not quite figured you out. i personally think you like to feel good about yourself so you tell everybody you are so smart and you are shorting the stock and yet i really think your long and upset about how this stock has traded and so you want everyone else to be miserable.
however, your history on shorting is not real impressive. i know i had an exchange with you when you said you wanted to short it and levels that we are at now and that was before the SA was canceled. I said, the downside risk if it falls apart (Like you said it would) was a few points but the upside was too great and yet you were still touting it to go short. Well here we are 2 months later and we are at the same levels so tell me why this is going to the 20's?
you are simply full of hot air
your right hookrider.
just this morning 2 of his post mentioned WE. he is a liar plain a simple.
i am sure this will get deleted
whoever the moderator is for this board, why does this knucklehead continue to post crap and yet when me and dmiller called him out yesterday you deleted our posts.
he is not honest. he said we this and we that implying he was long and yet he said he is short.
crawl back under the rock. the market is donw 212 points and he has a vision!!!!!
moron
i know it is not going to come, but any news from CAFC.
once i know i can shut the puter down for the day
i still dont know why they would not have gotten both guidances issues out of the way at the time they announced the SA was over. Why not say, the SA is over, the 4th qtr was better then expected and the 1st qtr was worse and get it all out at that time.
To do it now when we have a rally makes no sense at all.
no way they pre-announced to get bad news out now so they can announce positive news in the future.
this company does not work that way
your right glenny. my bad
was wondering why people werent going crazy over it as we had just heard them provide preliminary guidance they day the SA was announced as over.
sorry for the confusion
you keep spinning it that way mickey.
i am all for staying positives about the company you are invested in, but you take it to an all time level!!!
Tell me why they announced today that they were going to miss earnings when 2 weeks ago they announced they beat them slightly?
how did we lose 5 million bucks in 2 weeks (74 to 69)?
Getting off your soap box the air up there is affecting your senses
ABXX
I guess you missed my point. We all got sucked into believing that idcc was more valuable than it turned out to be for a few legitmate reasons, one being that when it was announced that the stock went to 82 and that was likely due to the value that nortel got for theirs.
the simple fact was we could not get a bid for the whole company the company said there was interest in "some" of the patents but certainly not to the levels that would garner the figures you were throwing around.
I just dont want to get too high when something postive happens nor too low when something negative comes our way.
We all hate it when mickey and jim P were throwing around outlandish numbers, and in the same manner we hated dmiller and d-bag romulus when they spew their venom to get people scared.
I am advocating restraint as we prepare for the next stage of the process with this company.
boy have you come full circle just this week.
early this week you had nothing good to say about the company and now you using "gorilla math" (let me see if you can tell me what movie that was from) to arrive at a 120.00 share price based on the sale of 360 patents.
this is what leads to everyone getting nuts about the value of this company. Merrit clearly said that there was interest in some of the patents and it is quite obvious that some patents are signifcantly more valuable than others so to think you can use that 333k per patent cost for all of idcc's 19k patents and using gorilla math to arrive at 120.00 when we already know that we could not get a bid for the entire company is just simply wrong.
lets draw some solace in knowing that some of the executives purchased stock for the first time in a long time and hope that in 8 minutes we get a positive response from CAFC.
i continue to hear that some do not believe merrit when he said there was no bid for the entire company.
Some believe that there was one, but maybe a low ball offer that they would not accept.
Do you honestly believe that he would flat out lie on that call? IDCC tends to be so conservative in how they operate with the public that i can not believe they would simply lie about an offer.
is it possible that they established a price and told others dont waste your time giving us a number that is under that? maybe, but there is no way they got a written offer, turned it down and then told the public they did not receive one.
just my two cents
As much as i hate to agree with that AMX, i do believe there will be further pressure this week.
I have a small amount that are margined and i got a house call which typically gives you a few days for it to turn around, add capital or sell to cover it. if it is a federal call it is much different and they will expect it taken care of right away.
they are really going out there on a limb with their new target? it was 37 last night when the news hits.
further, they talk about 2012 projections to be 1.51 without LG's. didnt i see in the idcc prelinary report last night was 2.05 for 2012?
What did he learn from the conf call to reduce the stated earnings from 2.05 to 1.51? Further, even if idcc had LG in their would it really amount to 25% of the year in one customer?
I have been in this stock not as long as many but i had it in the previous century so i have seen my fair share of misses and unfulfilled promises with this company.
I am coming to the people on this board that know the industry and know the value or lack there of what interdigital has and not those who "have a feeling in their gut" or an opinion that this stock is "worth" 200.00 per share for no good reason other than it makes them feel good to say it.
my question is, with the exception of the CAFC decision which the way our luck is running we might be lucky to get a split, what do we have to look forward to with this stock in the next 6 months? I picked 6 months not for any particular reason other then who knows what the face of the market will look like after that considering europe's teetering on the edge of disaster.
Knowing IDCC's disinterest in keeping their shareholders informed, after listening to that conference call nothing i heard was all that positive. yes as we do on this board all the time, we can parse words or statements out of their script about being an 800 million company in 3 to 5 years. While that is nice, it is 3 to 5 years and God knows what the economy will look like by than. yes, there was interest (or so he said) in buying some of the patents, but selling some of them for 50 or 100 million is not going to move this stock much plus what i heard was they would prefer to hold on to the patents until the contracts runs its course and than possibly sell them. I question, when it comes time to do that, how many will hold idcc hostage in trying to get a steal for a patents instead of signing up for another 2 or 3 years?
they waited until well after the SA was proved to be fruitless to announce (after the new york times scooped them) that it has ended and all they could come up with is what i said above. If there were licenses around the corner wouldnt you want to have them in your pocket when you announce the end of the SA? Also, it allows you to support the 800 million number with actual business instead of a pie in the sky number that frankly with LG not signing and others coming off the books you have to wonder how they will get there. you have to give us much more than just a number to support the future revenue expectations.
I am ashamed that i stuck around with this stock up to 82 and back down again, but i honestly thought this was different mainly because the first time it went to 82 there was nothing really all that positive (other then the baby qcom statement) other then a crazy market to cause it to go up. In this case, we had the nortel sale from 4 or 5 times more than what everyone thought it was worse and we were up for sale with more valuable patents and a company that was actually in business so why not expect something different.
I am hopeful that there is something positive out there that will keep me around because right now from what i heard last night, i just dont believe there is anything that is going to keep this stock from languishing in the mid 30's and god help us if the market turns we wont hold it there very long.
looking for some hope!
this was a waste of internet usage.
with the exception of the prelim earnings which shows a small beat there was really nothing postive that came out of it.
they had to say something so they said that there was interest in the parts but not the whole thing.
referenced small patents sales of other companies for 75 mil and an other for 150 or so, but never said what they were offered if anything.
Seems to me unless they have a licensed ready to be signed that was in a quiet period does not seem like there is much to look forward too.
hard to argue with you felix
the call ended. the only alloted 30 minutes.
talk about a slap in the face. they drop and bomb and give nothing but a script that probably took 2 weeks to write