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I'm wondering if it is the actual practice of "shorting" doing damage or if a constant "looping" of the recording about the subject is doing the damage.
Look at what the renewal of the subject today has done... but this time linked to posters on boards that use numonic devices to highlight the poster's apparent level of success in trading, I thought the earning of stars was due to "picks" made by the posters as whether or not they are actually trading could never be verified.
I don't know, when I look at a company like plni (the ceo has been very outspoken about the naked shorting) and I see it performing like it is I expect to see many more similarities to ATWT...but I don't. IMO ATWT is far more credible than plni. For one thing ATWT has the confidence of "Health and Human Services," a very well established relationship with an award winning insurance company which ATWT's product line fits well with, announced yesterday, the entering into agreements with companies providing services at our national airports which since 9/11 are very scrutinized. ATWT is also committed enough to its business concept to lobby our elected officials to pass actual legislation which affects ATWT's product.
One other thing I've noticed when I use the feature called "Market Movers" contained in my "Scottrade" real time streamer. There seems to be an entity that is capable of "fencing off" certain PK and otcbb companies for their own use. I know for a fact that even on days when these "obscure" companies are moving, individual investors don't get any action but huge players do. I noticed it is usually on overall down days that action in these types of companies pops but again, let me repeat, for some reason it is "off-limits' to small time (> 1,000,000 - 5,000,000 share trades) and at the end of the day the stock will be right back where it was but with huge, huge volumes. It will stay untouched until a day occurs when the overall markets are down and then these obscure companies suddenly jump to life...for the mega trades.
Also consider on days when we end with the "alleged" MM signal (which I still am not sure is a real system but seems many think it is) of 500 shares @.0046, which if memory serves me right means "need shares - gap one way or the other - usually to the direction of the trade....
I am just hypothesizing here, but we did gap up and then we began to hear the fear card of massive shorting being played, while the subject is connected to ex-MMs, from other boards that are awarded "stars" for past picks to add apparent legitimacy to them, (repeat the stars are earned for picks - actual real trades can't be verified) and then add comments like "we are all screwed" etc., etc. if I was a conspiracy buff I would say this was a great form of influence by suggestion.
JMHO,
PS - Is it me or is it a coincidence that some here on I-Hub suddenly have relationships with two of the highest rated "pickers" on the board mentioned? Why now and why haven't they added to the conversation prior to this? It is curious to me.
Nez
abbalich,
that's a good idea, thanks, I'm going to try to do the same but I will wait a day so we don't overload them.
Nez
Folks, one of the reasons I got into ATWT its level of integrity I believe ATWT possesses.
Someone once said that you could tell alot about people or businesses by looking at the groups they work with. I have overlooked this concept.
I am of the opinion that ATWT is a company which cares about things like integrity and altruism while at the same time caring about being a company based on high business principles.
1. They got into business by concentrating on things that would improve the safety of societies most vulnerable, our children.
2. As many have posted in DD they have done, ATWT has consistently said and performed in ways that seem to indicate they really do care about their investors.
They have been consistent and even when mistakes were made we could see efforts to correct them.
I have spent most of the time checking out ATWT, trying to look at financials and TA.
Last night I began really reading "West Bend's" home page based on the premise that if ATWT has the level of integrity I feel it does, they would be forming business relationships with companies of the same type of integrity or character.
When I read "West Bend's" home page, I couldn't believe I had overlooked some points that definitively support the idea that "West Bend" is a high caliber company.
First, look how they treat their employees. West Bend was one of 10 winners of "The Principal 10 Best Companies for Employee Financial Security award in 2006." This is an award given each year to companies who take high quality care of their employees. To me that indicates an important level of integrity. http://www.wbmi.com/Common/Documents/Prin-10-Best.pdf
Second,
http://www.wbmi.com/Common/ASPDocuments/default.asp
(following from thier home page)
"Since 1894, West Bend Mutual has come to stand for excellence through the use of innovative products, steady growth, and financial stability. This reputation for excellence is recognized not only by our policyholders, but by the insurance industry itself. Since 1973, we have maintained an A+ (Superior) rating by A.M. Best, financial analysts of the insurance industry. West Bend Mutual is also proud to be a member of the 2005 Ward's 50 Benchmark Group.
<IMHO this is quite an accomplishment because this recognition was bestowed on "West Bend" by their peers in the insurance industry. I think this says alot.
Third,
they believe so strongly in their beliefs that they are confident enough to post on their home site a "Vision and Mission Statement" like the following (taken from Home page @ http://www.wbmi.com/Common/ASPDocuments/default.asp)
Our mission:
To provide peace of mind to our customers through sound insurance and legendary service.
We will:
Operate with honesty and integrity
Achieve profitable growth through operational excellence
Continuously improve
Provide our associates with opportunities for growth and development
Create franchise value for our independent agent partners
Serve our community
Celebrate our success
Our Vision:
To be the premier insurance company in the markets we serve.
Fourth,
Most companies are concerned with just making money. If they do research that could help people they usually "sell" it. However, if you go to "West Bend's" home page and click on the tab at the top titled "Tips," You will find loads of advice that is free for all including non customers and is also information that could be sold. true it could also be used as a "hook" to get people to use "West Bend" the information still cost them money to compile and post and is free for our use and benefit.
There are many other indications on the site that point to "West Bend" being a company that cares and has built its reputation by doing what they say.
IMO this is a very positive indicator of the quality of ATWT as a company of the caliber of "West Bend", IMO, is not going to risk what they have built for over a century by forming alliances with companies that are not in line with their own publicly stated values and character.
Again IMO, the fact that a company like "West Bend" trusts ATWT enough to do business with them is a solid indicator that ATWT is worth my trust.
I may be beating a dead horse or going over information that has been covered but I thought it worth the time to look at one of ATWT's largest business relationships to try and gauge the type of company ATWT is based not just on their own actions and statements but also on who they associate with and who is willing to associate with them.
My apologies if this is of no use to anyone but I wanted to get it out there as IMO I think associates tell much about who we are.
Nez
Nite all and thanks for your patience with me. Nat timing is very important and since you posted just now, my member mark list grew again!
Nez
Mariner,
Thanks for the idea of "member marking." I feel foolish for not utilizing it before! When ATWT does its thing, this will make it much easier for me to thank all who have supplied information, provided inspiration, gut checks and the chance to bring me back to focus about ATWT after I have become discouraged and had lost sight of why I am here due to over analyzing others who are simply "venting," which is natural. Thanks again.
Nez
Z,
Good post and I agree. Thank you also for your past, helpful insights.
Nez
Maknak and Mariner,
thanks for the useful information. It cleared up some of the confusion I was experiencing from this nerve testing day! I don't think I have thanked either of you guys for your past contributions but I do now as well as to the others out there. I hope thanks is better late than never.
Nez
OT, Hog,
Your observations about the kids is what I have seen watching my own.
I find it difficult to give them the credit of being more mature than many adults I see interact, including myself!
Nez
OT Hog,
I agree but I also call it pride.
I know this is the one that has caused me to shoot myself in the foot more times than I care to remember over my life!
We are all human and if we all remember this then maybe we will all cut each other more slack.
Hang tough,
Nez
Critism made in a public manner is much or possibly impossible to correct or take back if one is wrong. More so than it is if done between two parties. Criticsm should be used to help others become aware of possible mistaken ideas and not to embarrass someone. Then it is not critisism but vindictiveness.
JMHO,
Nez
OT: Folks,
We are all in this to hopefully make more money (and it looks more and more likely, IMHO, that we will).
We can all learn from one another but the fact is that certain folks have a much better ability to do solid, helpful DD. Stevo and VLF certainly fall into that category where I don't.
I am trying very hard to keep my posts to a minimum as I don't have anything substantive to add. When and if I do and I feel confident with it I will share it.
When I do post my seemingly pointless comments, it is to simply let the others know Me and mine are still here.
The past is the past and unless one can learn from past occurrences or mistakes, the past and remembering it is a waste of time.
If we all try and remember that we are here to make money from the stock and that we can all be of assitance to each other than we should drop the past and forget the usless parts of it. Also remember some here are better at DD than others. I for one don't have confidence in my own so I don't feel comfortable sharing any I do for the reason I don't want others to be led into any mistakes my DD might cause me to make.
Maybe if we all try harder to treat others as we would like to be treated we would have a more productive exchange.
This is all my opinion and I want to apologize to any and all I might have offended when I let my emotions get involved and they made me elivate my opinion of myself causing me to make posts I wish I could take back. Why don't we stick with credit where credit is due and if we have to be critical of one another, why not use private messages or keep it to yourself?
This is all MHO!!! so save the criticism.
Nez
balamidas,
good call!! nez
Trackgirl,
we will be here right along side of ya!
Nez
OT: Peterush,
I thought I plainly said that my message was "just my opinion."
I apologize if you missed that. I guess that is kinda like changing horses in mid stream, and "missing the stirrup and the reins!"
Nez
Rue,
OT
Thanks for the suggestion...I tried it again and it worked! Now I am going to begin forwarding this to all the people I have the addresses for.
Thanks for your effort on behalf of our "Heroes."
to the board in general: This is just my opinion but I feel that if I were a soldier fighting for this nation the last thing I would want to happen at this point is to have the American people change the leadership we have been fighting under. It would be like "changing horses in mid stream." To me this is not something that would inspire confidence and would also make me feel like I have a whole new bag of uncertainty to deal with now.
Again just my opinion,
Nez
Rue,
OT
This is so rightious!
I tried to send a card and I couldn't as I got a message that said "run time error."
Any suggestions on how I might be able to overcome this and send a card on behalf of myself and family?
TIA,
Nez
Want an answer to this question...go to www.investopedia.com and search for "pinksheetshortselling"
Nez
Nat.,
don't get me wrong I have chosen to suffer the pain of holding and experiencing false starts rather than suffer the pain of giving up and looking back and saying "shoulda, woulda, coulda!
That pain is going to be much greater than the pain of the false starts. That I am sure of!
Nez
nathanial,
I sure hope you're right. I am long and strong. Very confident that the pps will rise soon.
nez
rvs and all other longs,
It's Friday and if things go as usual the pps will "bump" and then the usual suspects will sell for their usual "clearing of the previous week's ledger" and then we will end down.
JMO but it seems to be the way things go on most Fridays.
Nez
dmondial,
good points, thanks.
Nez
vlf,
for what it is worth, the facts you have laid out are as I and my wife recall and have referenced. Keep the record straight as apparently, there are many people giving "history re-writing 101" a whirl!
JMO and have a good weekend,
Nez
Seeker,
Good post. My wife and I have been discussing the influence of our actions, both conscious and unconscious, that reading the boards regarding ATWT can have.
We believe that this is what I stated in an earlier post is... a rare and different, as you so well stated, "investment."
Your post also provides some answers to me about why people trade this stock the way they do while looking at the facts.
I have concluded that just as there are those out there who make livings day trading, swing trading and all the other kinds of trading, there are those out there who specialize in making money by psychological methods by using posts on boards they know are read by the inexperienced trader, like myself.
Together with a good mentor at manipulating people's thinking (happens all the time in marketing) experience at trading and a couple of psychology classes, a few organized plan following folks with a common goal could lead many unknowing investors down the long path simply by taking advantage of people's absolute "I want it now without waiting inclination" as well as some well worded phrases designed to shake the confidence of inexperienced traders who have ventured into new and uncharted waters. A person in this point of their trading days can easily be thrown to and fro by the "what if" or "that could happen" mind set., all IMHO
Nez
TD2A,
Look back over the past couple of months and really think about it. When I do, I come up with some very simple and obvious answers that seem to be just to plain and simple.
As far as making mistakes during my time with this stock, each time I made a boo-boo was when I began comparing it to other stocks and trading it accordingly.
I have to remind myself that the reason I'm in this one is that, IMO, it is NOT like other stocks.
Now the most likely people to recognize this fact, if true, would be the people who have seen this type of RARE event before and therefore can play it based on experience.
Since this, IMVHO, is an extremly rare stock with rare timing, there are not going to be many who have seen this type of thing before. If they have I would venture a guess that they are very professional and make thier living doing this.
Just my opinion but I also keep reminding myself, there are many, many "tickers" out there that have no niche, product to address that niche, legislation requiring the product be utilized, sales, contracts or half of the "right idea at the right time" together with very positivly positioned, buisness environment/circumstances which this company has and yet these other "tickers" make huge runs and huge pullbacks far beyond the penny mark.
JMIHO,
Nez
IMO, and for what its worth (not much) this seems to happen each Thurs. into Fri. as the day, swing, or whatever type of traders they are called, close the books for the previous week and make ready for the next.
I am guessing that one of these cycles is going to either cost these folks a bundle to get back in or they are going to have to pack it up and move on as the stock "picked it up and moved, violently up!"
Just My opinion,
Nez
Forgive my ignorance, but.... why? I posess a low level of experience but with this particular stock, I have witnessed its activity for a while now.
IMO, I believe that people invested in this particular equity are easily swayed by statements that have no reasoning connected with them. No offence intended but if you are willing, might you share your reasoning for your statement?
TIA,
Nez
JP,
I wouldn't worry too much as many have been at levels quite a bit higher and from what I can tell, IMO, many are still here and not worried.
JMO,
Nez
Seems like a lot of people want in at .005 for some reason. Wonder why?
Nez
"Thev've got us surrounded...poor b*s*ards"
Nez
K,
JMO but I really believe that eventually it won't matter what we do.....because this thing is gonna go with or without us!
JMO,
Nez
Mariner,
HOLD'IN HERE......STILL!!! Go ATWT!!!!!!!!!
Nez
Well said Joker.
Nez
Thanks for the update Steve and the good advice. Also my respect for you, V and others has risen exponentially as I read the negative posts of the "great" legend in his own mind person. Thanks for handling the situation so well. Whoever this unfortuant person is can't hold a candle to those of you who base posts on reality and truth.
Thanks again,
Nez
Metro,
Indeed and you have my respect for speaking the truth.
Go ATWT,
Nez
Metro,
Thats the way I took it.
FWIT,
Nez
Metro,
I agree.
JMO,
Nez
rvz,
IMO, I think it is the prior.
I may be mistaken but it seems that the stock started behaving like this after the annoucement that there would be no more dilution. Just the opinion of a relative newbie but that is how it seems to me.
JMO,
Nez
Does this look familiar?
Nez
It is my guess, people might sell at .004, in order to confuse, scare and attempt to shake the confidence of longs. Then there will be shares availible to be scarfed up by people who know that this company is very undervalued.
Just my opinion but I am holding for the future.
Believing is never easy but I believe! Go ATWT when you are ready, I'll be here!
Nez
Thanks Steve!
That is consistant with what many are speculating about. He gave them more than enough chances to get it right and has, IMO, more than satisfied his loyalty to them but with so many chances blown by them, I am glad to hear that he has reached the end of his patience. If someone can't do what they say and have been given as many chances as they have to get it right, then its time for change. He has been more than fair and this also indicates to me that he won't let his loyalty to his emplyees over ride his responsibility to the shareholders.
This says a lot for Mr. Wiley's integrity, IMO.
Thanks
Nez