Quote: Now he says if the wreck is there.
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There or not there?

Quote: Jolly then asked about the Company's finding of the Peruvian death mask. Kennedy explained that this was quite a unique finding as it more than likely served as a trophy on a ship that they are currently exploring. Kennedy shared that the current value of the mask is unknown, however it is renowned for its historical significance. He explained that this finding was also important as it proved the accuracy and efficiency of the Company's team and technology.

Kyle went on to say he's a brilliant scientist.
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A real pile of bull crap. Perfectly timed for the brilliant SFRX Indiana Jones debut and launch of the PR's. "A brilliant scientist". As previously stated by both of us, is this entity that unknowing and unsophisticated as to not have done proper 'due diligence' and 'vetting' of this character?

When you look at the complete picture, this is probably the longest running circus in the history of modern day treasure hunting.

Quote: Goldenboy, you are correct sir! The Seasearcher will be a game changer!
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Why don't you just explain how? Existing technology reconfigured into a vehicle. Actually nothing new. What's the game. Water sports? So far a deadeye and strap, a grouper fish in a sand hole, and piece of wood. Over a thousand targets, obviously natural geological parabolic reflections but they're too inexperienced to realize that. Yes indeed, a 'real game changer'.

Quote: Exactly!!

Quote: Actual facts are smart investors
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Exactly. Exactly what? Why don't you do all the folks a favor and list the 'Exactly' FACTS as they are verifiable.

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SEAFARER EXPLORATION CORP.,
Plaintiff,

-vMICHAEL TORRES DIV:
Defendant.
CLEARTRUST, LLC
Third Party Respondent
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So one has to ask. Where was the SFRX performance of due diligence and vetting of this character? Besides his creation of Tinkerbell, I knew when the Peruvian death mask magically appeared on the 'beach' scene coordinated with the companies PR, there was something very suspicious. Sheeple can't read the B.S. meter.

Quote: Actual facts are smart investors
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Whatever that statement means? "Facts" have never been a relevant factor with this company nor with a number of the "hot air balloon" profiteers here. One can go back in time and review the posts here when the companies 'Indiana Jones' genius was held in high esteem and was the next best thing since packaged sliced bread. There were the few of us who suspected this guy was a fraud from the time of his introduction. Now it appears there's allot of back peddling in clown town.

Quote: Either the wreck is there or it isn’t.
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It isn't. Amateurs can't understand that.

Quote: Sfrx is still moving forward with developing equipment, searching areas, in my opinion it's just a matter of time before we get some great news on the equipment or a find. Does anyone believe the coins found on a beach floated up there on a piece of wood, just laid there for hundreds of years. I would think they were slowly moving from wave action, hurricanes, etc over years. So how much else is still to be found, in the Florida waters? There is no law saying SFRX can't use the new equipment in a different location, different country? Really should listen to earlier podcasts as to the possibilities, and the areas the new equipment could be used. As far as the law suit it's just my opinion, sfrx did win but it's tough to get any $$$ out of someone that doesn't have any. I wonder if their out working again today? Isn't it amazing how the pps has held up so well? There hasn't been any R/S, Kyle stated recently they are not selling any shares, no need to. The float hasn't changed, Anyone notice who holds the shares? Looks like very few of us little shareholders out there! Which is great!! most shares are in strong hands!! JMO Good luck to SFRX and all the shareholders!!
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I have challenged you before on this 'coins found on the beach' assumption. I asked you to produced photos and documentation validation but you went silent. Yes, Spanish shipwreck coins are found on Florida beaches but the many, many false claims are a dime a dozen. Actually funny that, if this was true, coins found on the beach but this clown town outfit can't find a lick of treasure in the water in years. As to the marvelous new technology (Kyle's Toy), that hasn't found crap either. As for application of the Tinkerbell II in other countries. Why don't you tell the folks what countries in view of the fact that near all countries that hold areas of potential interest have long since signed the UNESCO Underwater Cultural Heritage Treaty. NO COMMERCIAL TREASURE HUNTING. As for Florida, that's dismal too for numerous reasons that have been well covered before. Dead industry.

Quote: the seasearcher will be a game changer, wreck or no wreck.
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Why don't you intelligently and factually explain how. There is no real hard evidence that it does or will do anything ever mentioned in paid promo's or by the cheerleading section on this board. Rather than Tinkerbell, it might best be described as 'Kyle's Toy'.

Quote: The paid promotions are fluff, yet uplifting to the novices they target.
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Very true. That's what pumps up the 'hot air balloon'.

Quote: I follow SFRX and the work their doing, Actually I spend more of my time lately working 12 hr days, in a retirement community trying to keep residents safe. JMO
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I applaud you for that.

Quote: You are missing the fact that when, if, or all ready? the new equipment has or is proven. There in itself is a huge $$$$$ windfall. This new equipment finds, gold, silver, precious stones, with no iron around the area! That is golden!! Any existing wreck site, any future wreck site would be interested in using equipment that allows the user to find items before not possible. Aren't they still looking or finding gold and other treasures from the Atocha?, Weren't there suppose to be a large amount of emeralds on the Atocha? We both know if so they haven't been found yet. Clearly a new piece of equipment that could locate them would come in very handy!! JMO
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Gonna be, wanna be, if, and, and maybe, just you wait and see. Now you seem to be saying its all about gold, and even the emeralds. I thought the Tinkerbell II was the see all, know all, tell all. Fact is that to date, it hasn't found crap. Incidentally, if you'd spend some time reading about real treasure finding pros instead of cheerleading looser's, you'd know that Fisher's Treasure Salvors found the bulk of the Atocha emeralds in one are they even dubbed 'Emerald city".

Quote: So if we didn't have anything to identify the wreck? and If they find treasures of any sort? Than 80% goes to SFRX and 20% to the state since no one would be able to claim it came from a ship somewhere else? I like that idea!! 80% Nobody in the background to jump in and wave their flag for control! Nice! JMO
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Only problem is, first they have to find the treasure that isn't there. My suggestion would be that this non=professional outfit go and play with their toys on the pond at Disneyland. There chances of finding treasure might be far better.

Quote: Thank you! So you actually are saying that anything could have been on the floatsom of any size that sank in the area. I'll wait and see what the numerous objects are they have located. JMO
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Obviously that has to be the case in this instance or there wouldn't have been a weighty object as a iron cannon in the area. But, clearly, the other 31 cannons, piles of silver and gold bars, chests of coins and (if a main wreck site) tons and tons of ballast aren't there. Perhaps for you, yes but for me with some actual field experience, the 1,000 plus targets are not impressive if even accurate. Firstly, I thought the Tinkerbell see all, know all (even without metal detection ability) was supposed to be able to distinctly define target depth, density, dimensional size, and even angle degree of object? That doesn't seem to be the case with these assigned 1,000 plus targets or locations. Here once again, I'd bet the 'crow sandwich' that most of those are natural geological point-source parabolas. By the way, who is the on-board systems operator, meaning what credentials in marine geology or geophysics? Thats the norm. on some of the surveys I've been on. Surely it isn't Kyle Kennedy, the penny stock man, sitting there monitoring the screen. Continuous entertainment.

Quote: So you mention common sense, the silver platters I believe would have been stored in the captains quarters, since they were a gift for his wife. Of course I might be wrong. I'm sure that would have been the Only three silver objects in his quarters, or in the sterncastle? Yeah the three platters and cannon, pistol, all floated along on just floatsom.few planks still held together with just a crap load of spikes and a 4' spike. Couldn't have been anything else.. wrong. I'll wait and see what they find. Of course it only matters to some of us that own shares. JMO
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Its rather pointless to belabor the issue in detail but you're obviously ignorant of the fact there are many documented instances of shipwreck flotsam (of large proportion) separating from the main body and drifting for miles before settling somewhere else. In each instance the content were significantly interesting. A few examples;

1622 "N.S. Atocha", Marquesa Keys, Florida (flotsam with content eventually located miles away)
1630 "San Joseph, Pacific side of Panama (Flotsam with content eventually located miles away)
1641 "N.S. Concepcion, Silver Bank north of Dominican Republic. (flotsam with content located miles away).
1656 "San Francisco Xavier", Cadiz, Spain. (flotsam with content eventually located miles away)

These are but a few documented examples. Too much time spent making a point and at the same time freely educating novices.

Quote: Sorry no sheep here, but something both you and me know. They find 1 maybe 2 things made of silver or gold and then I think your opinion will be mute. JMO We all know Columbus sailed across the ocean on the winds. Men did not keep looking back, since we have went to the moon. Folks really need to stop looking backwards. JMO Most people that dont end up with a red mark on their forehead! JMO
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Sorry but I differ with your opinion. there are a lot of sheeple here. Furthermore, it wouldn't actually surprise me at all if (by chance. Not professionalism) they found some other objects, be they made of ferrous or non-ferrous metals. That would not deviate from the fact that the area contains some scatter of fair sized flotsam that had broken away from the main wreck site probably miles away. Research supports that. That's the very reason why that area happened to contain the one cannon, and some other artifacts, including the plate fragments you so often post here, all found not by SFRX but by Heartland decades ago. They had the common sense to give up, knowing the actual shipwreck was not there. Your Columbus sailed the ocean blue history lessons don't impress me. Apparently SFRX never, intelligently, looks back for if they'd do so they would have realized a long time ago its time to move on.

I recall (what is it now. Two years back?) telling you if they ever find the wreck there 'I'll eat crow'. Now that's of no concern to me in so much that by the time this clown show finds anything, the crow may very well be an extinct specie.

From PodCast: Jolly then asked Reynolds about the progress of the SeaSearcher. “The SeaSearcher, like Kyle said, went operational in the first quarter,” said Reynolds. “By ‘operational’ what we mean is that we’ve actually started scanning the area in mass,” he continued. “We’ve scanned hundreds of acres of area already, and have identified over a thousand target areas,” said Reynolds. “The SeaSearcher right now, even without the metal interrogation or discrimination element of it, is actually identifying target areas and working in concert with the prior data to help drive the operations.” He then shared that the integration of the metal interrogating technology is currently undergoing final calibration steps and will be used to help isolate the current target areas.

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So from what I have read here, they're admitting the Tinkerbell isn't really doing anything but acting as a sub-bottom profiler. Rather puzzling after all the previous claims. Seems as though things aren't up to snuff in the Tinkertoy lab. What I find really amusing is the statement "We've scanned hundreds of acres of area already, and have identified over a thousand target areas", said Reynolds" So over a 1,000 target areas and, to date, one on the bottom surface visible conglomerate, one grouper fish in a hole and a deadeye and strap (mistakenly identified as a 'pulley wheel"). Real professionals. Opinion based on experience, if there were over a 1,000 targets , one would have to inevitably say we're in the wreck site area but even without metallic analytical ability, are there no indications of iron cannons, rail guns, anchors, piles of bars of silver and gold, chests (intact) of silver and gold coins, etc., etc. ? Weren't we given to believe this see all, know all amazing technology can determine precise sub-bottom depth, profile and dimensions of target and even angle of degree as how its resting?

Its astounding how such a statement is made by a man I assume has no experience or expertise in sub-bottom profiling and interpretation of targets? Is there any awareness among this bunch of amateurs that the so called 1,000 plus targets are more than likely parabolic point source reflections caused by underlying suspended geological targets such as, for example coagulants of dead shells and corals which are in many cases common on sub-bottom surveys. Of course, the sheeple know nothing about this so they must be going 'giddy' over all of this.

Quote: 2020 is the year
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--but I thought that was last year when Indiana Jones was on board?

Quote: Sfrx is working and still hard at it. I'm surprised you are calling them clowns? Funny I owned shares in a clown company that worked in the DR. What was their symbol? Do you remember anyone that worked for them? Now that was a joke and anyone who owned shares, such as I, lost all their money. Oh yeah that was MEX$ Do you remember them?

Do I remember them. Oh yes I do. Because of them (Mark Goldberg - CEO) I didn't get paid.


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Quote: I could go on and on about a company that you worked for that never found anything. I also watched as they went out of business quickly.
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I worked with one of the great legends in modern day treasure hunting. Burt Webber who discovered the 1641 Concepcion and over 30 other historic wrecks in the Dominican Republic. While there we discovered the 1718 'Jesus of Nazareth' and in only proofing excavations over 400 artifacts and treasure was recovered. Following that Webber discovered the 1725 'Nuestra Señora de Begona' which here again during proofing yielded hundreds of Spanish reales coins. You failed to point out that Hispaniola Ventures (Webber) was unfortunately joint ventured with a flake named Mark Goldberg (Marine Exploration), a con-job penny stock operator. Because of non-performance on funding, Webber issued notice of default and that's the end of the story. Get your facts correct. In spite of all this, Hispaniola Ventures (Webber) found more shipwrecks and artifacts and treasure in less than one year than this clown town outfit you so highly praise found in over 15 years. Matter of fact they (SFRX) has never found anything worthy of mention.

Quote: These clowns are clueless when it comes to what to look for when it comes to finding a wreck site.

I follow for the comedy.
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You sure got that right. The joke of the treasure hunting industry for fifteen plus years.

Quote: .0081. They might not have treasure, but this is a dang good day trading stock. It will be back up 15-20% in no time.
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'Hot air balloon' profit specialists. What they do best.

Quote: I’m more interested in the “strong box of silver” that was 8’ down.
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Dream on.

Wow. Very impressive. Tinkerbell found a iron forelock rod. Probably a previous mag. reading??? So what's the record so far. a deadeye strap, an iron oxided conglomerate sitting in plain view on the bottom and a grouper fish in a dug out hole. They need to keep up the good work with Tinkerbell find all, see all, know all.

Quote: Let me state this clearly, you don't know what the new equipment is seeing. Neither do i, your opinion it's floatsom. Clearly the silver coins that have been found on the shore, being silver just floated along the waves till they came to rest on the beach. ( Not). It really only matters to real shareholders what they find. Must be something of interest if they stay in the area? In the podcasts they state the clarity of the equipment to give them actual sizes of the hits, and to discern the different metals. I'll keep my shares and watch what happens. As for the 15 years the new equipment is only months old. Game Changer in my opinion. digging on 8' deep hits!! Glad I own shares!! Oh yeah that hot air balloon you mentioned has been flying high for more than a year and a half!! Wow!! JMO
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Endless repetitious nonsense.

I personally like to deal with facts. I can't begin to tell you how many stories there are about coins found on the beach, be it Melbourne or many other places ranging down into the Florida Keys. When you can produce photos of those specific coins and written validation by the finder as to location of where they were found, then I might take a different view.

A shipwreck breaking up and inevitably discharging flotsam debris is very common. I could produce a list of a number of notable treasure galleons that did the same but that list would be of as much importance as the list of shipwreck galleons found with the magnetometer. Along with that, its more than evident that the Melbourne area that was discovered and initially worked by Heartland is indeed flotsam. When I repeatedly bring up the fact that the 1715 'Concepcion' was armed with 32 iron cannons, that is ignored by all and gets swept under the carpet like dogie dodo. So does the actual research that states the vessel ran onto a sand bar or shoal off of Canaveral, broke up and on a part of it the few survivors floated for days before eventually reaching shore. Are you or anyone else telling me the vessel hit a shoal in 40 feet of water?

I'm not interested in podcasts produced by the CEO that years ago said publicly 'we're on the wreck', then later said 'the wreck is at the base of a hill', and now isn't sure if there even is a wreck there. I'm not interested in unproven Tinkerbell technology that's suppose to see all, know all to the extent of defining depth, size and discerns the types of metals, but in all this flaunted survey, producing so, so many targets, can't even produce anything of description (why even dig) from a Spanish Colonial shipwreck. Not even maybe one or two of those 32 iron cannons?

Really, what does any of this matter when based upon zero results, the 'hot air balloon' is still aloft, even though I note it seems to be loosing the B.S. gas.

As to the 'must be something of interest if they stay in the area' comment;

As Benjamin Franklin once said: "WE are all born ignorant, but one must work very hard to remain stupid"

Quote: I think they are just getting started with the new equipment!! Baby steps and then they'll be up and running full speed!! Jmo
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Let me state this clearly so even the inexperienced can understand. When a company is in the treasure hunting business for over fifteen years and can't find a shipwreck that was armed with 32 iron cannons but ignorantly stay in the same area still believing its there, is in the wrong business. The smart ones reassess their research, their survey and identity results to date and then move on. They don't blindly continue there trying to turn flotsam debris into a shipwreck that isn't there. Now it becomes Tinkerbell time, which one is to believe is going to be the miracle technological answer to finding a shipwreck that isn't even there.

Quote: Here is something else to think about. In the past there were few wrecks that had been found. If I were to use a metal detector on an old property where nobody had used one, of course I could find all kinds of stuff! Blind folded!
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What an insult to those who made the discoveries. Like a apple tree just loaded with fruit allowing easy pickings off the low branches. Right? Those previously mentioned shipwrecks (all found with magnetometers) were located in vary remote and dangerous places through out the Western Hemisphere. Dedicated professional men with knowledge and experience found them. Hardly to be compared to some metal detector enthusiast scanning some old property even blind folded as you put it. Ridiculous. Professionals find, and continue to find shipwrecks with magnetometers. Fifteen years and counting, SFRX has found nothing. A treasure hunting company that has never discovered a colonial period shipwreck, never worked a shipwreck, never recovered substantial treasure and artifacts and surprisingly, apparently has no one working for them of merit who did.

Quote: It's called advances in how we do things. SFRX is advancing the thinking and equipment!
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Your analogies are rather humorous so I won't even comment on them. SFRX is advancing the thinking and equipment. Really? A treasure hunting company that can't find shipwrecks, can't find treasure and diddles around reshuffling the deck on already invented technology. In spite of all it's supposed to do, there's no evidence that it does anything its said to do. I gave you a list of famous treasure wrecks found with marine magnetometers but yet you talk about 'advance the thinking'. Whatever for? Is there some offense to the fact that magnetometers find shipwrecks and thus far Tinkerbell is nothing more than a hyped up joke that actually doesn't find all, see all, tell all. The circus thus continues.

Quote: Nothing will work without that mag! everything else is been done, nothing to look at here! Move along sheep!! LOLOLOL Ok not a sheep.... Just a wise old Owl here watching and waiting. JMO ( in my hot air balloon!)
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1554 Fleet shipwrecks off Padre Island, Texas - Found with a magnetometer.

1622 'Santa Margarita' off the Maquesa Keys, Florida - Found with a magnetometer.

1622 ' N. S. Atocha' off the Marquesa Keys, Florida - Found with a magnetometer

1656 'N. S. Marravillas north of Grand Bahama - Found with a magnetometer.

1641 'N. S. Concepcion not of the Dominican Republic - Found with diver operated magnetometer

1718 'Jesus of Nazareth' on north coast of Dominican Republic - Found with a magnetometer

1724 'N. S. Begona' on South coast of Dominican Republic - Found with a magnetometer

1725 'El Conde' Samana Bay, Dominican Republic - Found with a magnetometer

These are major discoveries of treasure bearing shipwrecks. There are actually hundreds more of lessor notoriety around the world found with the marine magnetometer.

Now why don't you do a list of the shipwrecks the Tinkerbell see all, know all has found. This clown town outfit can't even find a shipwreck wit 32 iron cannons (a magnetometer operators dream) that you people believe is there. The reality is that the wreck isn't there or it would have been found a very long time ago. A continued bunch of nonsense.

Quote: Never bet against technology, unless you absolutely know what it is.... None of us know what it is....
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What technology? The Tinkerbell Tinkertoy? Modified 3D sub-bottom profiler. No patent applied for. No patent pending. If I'm wrong, give me the reference. No factual evidence of specific performance. Just talk. Thirty two iron cannons, and they can't locate one. No ballast pile, no treasure, no nothing of importance. Nothing to bet for or against. Even the circus performers don't seem to know what it is.

Quote: Panic level rising
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After fifteen years of being non-producers and the joke of the industry, it should be.

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Did Weber or Fischer develop a Hydroprobe, Wall, or Seasearcher? Nope!!Weber made a waterproof case for a magnetometer. Whoppeee!
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To the contrary, Hydroprobing is nothing new. Something that Webber was using in the Florida Keys back in the 1960's. While you're doing your Whoppeee's Weber did more than put a magnetometer in a case. Know that he was the first to convert dry land Cesium magnetics into a independent diver operated underwater survey system. Redesign of special battery power pac, wooie generator signal conversion board, LED digital total field readout combined with diver audio headset. I know, as I was trained and operated one of the systems which was for more than a magnetometer in a box. You're apparently not aware that the Geometrics 882 Cesium marine magnetometer (optional) 'altimeter' for off bottom depth control was developed by Webber which is acknowledged by Geometrics, Inc.

Far more important is the fact that Webber's designs and innovations resulted in the discovery of shipwrecks, many shipwrecks including the 1641 N.S. Concepcion. This clown town outfit is all talk and no action. Tinkerbell toys that to date have found nothing of creditability. Supposed to be see all know all. What a joke.

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Remember... Don't look backwards to long!! You might not see what's in front of you
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Frankly, that has no bearing on SFRX who persistently run in circles reinventing technology that already exists, and doggedly believe they're going to find a wreck that in all probability isn't even there. Never has there been a show the likes of this one.

Quote: The update was more descriptive, but revealed a.......

huge dose of ignorance by the clowns at SFRX.
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I read the report carefully and I'm sure the unknowing sheeple now have tingling surges rushing up their legs. There is absolutely nothing they are doing that is new and 'ground breaking'. A sub-bottom profiler which to SFRX is new as they obviously never used one before. All 3D sub-bottom profilers give depth and general size of object but sadly Tinkerbell doesn't seem to be doing what its always been said to do. Differentiating between ferrous / non-ferrous targets, definitions of what the target is, etc., etc. The procedures of excavation and all that described is nothing new. So what is new? As for the thousand plus targets (which Tinkerbell doesn't know what they are) I suppose they know nothing about parabolic point-source reflections. So the show goes on in clown town.

Quote: Now that is great news
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Great news? No one seems to know anything about it. Perhaps you can validate?

Quote: The found a Ship!!
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When you make a statement such as you have, its appropriate to provide the source for validation. If in fact they did, well good for them. Even unskilled dart throwers hit the bulls eye once in a while. These people haven't hit a 'bulls eye' in going on two decades.

Quote: People who post more than shareholders

Lol

Too funny
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There are those who dislike disclosure of factual realities which just might jeopardize 'hot air balloon' profits.

Quote: Lol, now this is funny
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It absolutely is. The reason it's so laughable just to monitor this on going clown show.

Quote: It's actually a fact that happened to many, same reason there were steel pennies made in 1943. Yes the ocean is large, anyone that reads history would know there are thousands of ships that sank. Many options out there, unless someone doesn't own shares then it shouldn't matter what SFRX does. JMO
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Somewhat of an evasive answer. I know they made steel pennies in 1943 and we agree that iron cannons were, when findable, recovered by scrap salvors but that hardly applies to cannons that would be lying in 40 feet of water, with next to zero visibility, and buried + or - 8 feet in sub-bottom mud. We're not talking about a large ocean and thousands of ships that sank. we're talking about one specific shipwreck that had 32 iron cannons on board, and supposedly lying in a relatively small area as marine remote sensing surveys go. Sorry but I'm not buying.

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Many options out there, unless someone doesn't own shares then it shouldn't matter what SFRX does. JMO
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Actually, it really doesn't matter to me what SFRX does. Its an on going circus and I don't even have to by a ticket to watch it.