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Red herring.. We all know that at some point vplm decided to declare that the game moving fwd, was sell. The point made, but avoided it seems, is that it was the fiduciary duty, imho, but not fulfilled, to fully inform the investors (after all, they needed investors, no?) of a change in the game plan. All those voip phone company things were on the table & on the Web & touted over & over, loudly, as "the leading edge in voip industry" (sells a few shares here & there, huh? Lol, what a concept..) & then, w/the merger, Chang said the patents would be incorporated into the our voip endeavors (lol) & also leveraged for licencing & infringement, to the tune of billions per annum....but then, to my knowledge (and I have looked & looked) outta the blue BAM! - - thankyou ma'am - - and immediately we were "transported" to the "new testament", and forget the old testament...and a new (sorta kinda) board (the ark of the covenant, lol). And getting answers to the questions beer raises about this is about as likely as finding the ark, lol
So correct! It really does appear that the BOD cherry picks their use use of professionalism & good, proper business acumen, depending on the "situation"...ie, almost looking like" what can we get away with & what can we obviously not get away with, as part of the playback. So, in order to paint the picture of vplm veracity, as a 100% solid, sometimes it's necessary to conveniently forget to connect ALL the dots here, on this board. Because when you don't connect ALL the dots, then you can make an elephant look like a donkey (no political pun intended).
"IMO as things moved along Sawyer discovered it was all BS and stepped down."
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Very possible.... but why step down? If the "huckster" (as in Finn) was as unbelievably accomplished, worldly, experienced, knowledgeable, connected, able, uber savvy in the business world, no less a "doctor" of psychology.....you know - - just generally able to leap tall buildings in a single bound... and my goodness - - "senior advisor" to 4 presidents.... well, ahhh...why would he "step down"?? I mean isn't it reasonable to expect w/near certainty that a man of this stature, who ONLY, I presume, came to head such a tiny little, unknow, unproven, have nothing, lowly pink sheet Co like vplm, because he, in his vast knowledge, not inept at all, not naive, not easily bamboozled, knew that this patent portfolio was big & important, real big & real important.....othefwise, you look at his "almost unbelievable" resume & you would never expect in a million years that he would bother himself w/such an outfit, unless it indeed WAS very potentially, no, beyond potentially, but pretty much ASSURED to live up to its goal... So why on earth would someone like that decide to step down as chief, if he had not done anything purposely wrong??? THIS WOULD BE THE TIME FOR SUCH A SUPERMAN TO STEP UP TO THE PLATE & use that unfathomable resume behind him (not sure if it precedes him or he precedes it..?) to fix it all, to upright the ship, to use the vast store of knowledge & accomplishment to steer us thru it, if nothing else, but as the swan song of a such a major figure in so many endeavors of human accomplishment......not step down.
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And if it was for any righteous reason, such as age, health, etc, then why not just be forthright & honest about it, to the long faithful & give specific reasons, instead of saying "for personal reasons"?
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On the other hand, and considering that the above points are not easy to explain away imho, well then, that certainly leaves open" other possible motives..... And if he feels he is personally responsible for screwing up & stepped down for that reason(s), that doesn't make much sense to me & why would he then continue to stay on as a director? Hmmmm..... really makes one wonder (oh I know... how some will jump right in & so easily & effortlessly explain this away, but hopefully others will give careful consideration..). Then again, if I'm not mistaken, he has stepped down numerous times from positions, at certain points...
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And why would a man of such vast accomokishemt, who obviously has no "apparent need" to embellish such a gargantuan resume' with "doctorates" obtained online, from schools most consider to be "diploma mills" & in one case, (Florida state Christian University) no such school even seems to exist...? So to me, I would not expect a man of such stature to call himself (and that is what he does - - it is him, I presume, who authors & publicizes this massive resume', not anyone else..) a doctor, or at the very least, downplay this aspect, rather that put "Dr." in front of his name. That's my opinion anyway. And it's been suggested that I have moved to tear down the veracity of this man, but that simply is not true, just like I have never called vplm a scam, I have never accused Sawyer of any wrongdoing - - I simply raise these questions, for the reasons I have given & I have no reason to just accept everything anyone says, especially about themselves.
What research? What development?......
The items beer listed, which I also posted about months ago, asking what happened to this plan?, and then add to it the aquisition of the portfolio w/the patent applications, which also became part of the "development plan, in terms of licencing & infringement, and integrating the patent technology into the teleco we were supposed to be implemented, per Chang, and would qualify (big time) as "development". It was all stated & published as "da plan, da plan" alas, it was simply dropped, all of it, without any explanation, to then all of a sudden announce that the only plan was sell. They bought some patents & now can't sell em, it sure seems. The only research I see vplm doing is finding out that they can't make a deal above chump change.
Every chart & site that I've looked at, Google, Otc, Otc pink, I hub, Bloomberg, etc, says the same thing..... Lod was about 6, hod was about 8 & down (as usual) about 2 & 1/4 % for the day.??
If they are so great, then why aren't they doing those things?
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Also, why is there so much belief in the value of the patents & that they will sell? Can you point to one shred of actual evidence, (outside) that anyone actually needs any of them?
(patents protect the inventor from others using the invention, but don't attest to or guarantee the value or efficacy or need for). And BOD members, PR's & pumpers are known to exaggerate, misinterpret & mislead in their promotional commentary, thus an inherent conflict of interest. And the pinks... well...they are what they are & that all they are.
Hold on... Those questions are logical, reasonable, fair minded, probing, level-headed, exacting, non-trivial & have intelligence & depth...where does one get the idea that such is appropriate for vplm? Me not tinking so... Surely, sitting down & moving to the back of the bus, having some patience & giving it a few more years, while in the meantime trust the musical chair cadre of bod members & believe everything they tell you , because they are men of vast experience & knowledge, with bio's to make one's head spin, which is not generally conducive to being liars or cheats or incompetent, but should be respected & duly revered. And lest not forget...if the technology is patented by the US gov't, well then for crying out loud, how can ANYONE even begin to think of doubting the veracity, competence & expertise of anyone paid by the gov't. We ought to know...that if a patent is a patent, then that means it's good & lovely & works & does whatever it says it does & is highly valuable. That's what "patent" means, no? Like "patent leather", it's for real, right. Any dummy can read the dang patents & see that they are world changing & life saving & control the very use and going forward operation of internet communications, of numerous kinds, worldwide, and for the next 19 yrs or so. And they're pretty cool too!
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No wonder all the voip big dogs, little & medium dogs, as well as the communications world press, have been and obviously are (why would we doubt..?), beating down the doors of the voip-pal company headquarters, to get piece. And no wonder it's taking so long...just like that Toyota car commercial...they saw all the interested parties (going ga-ga for the patents) coming, actually running like zombies on meth...and so they locked the doors & ran out the back & have been in hiding ever since, just waiting for the craze to die down so they can start an orderly handing out of licences & leases of the tech.
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It's all good. No worries.. and keep the wheelbarrow handy...
Here..Here! Good points all! I call for the same...
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"... Not terribly impressive so far - and as the PPS demonstrates, the investors are losing patience with a lack of forward progress, and taking care of business in general. Inquiring minds want to know."
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Losing alot more than patience... and in my opinion, it's wrong when it's continually suggested that investors who feel this way should be quiet & just be forever patient, or get out. I don't feel like this passes the smell test anymore...too many quirks...too many unanswered questions...too many unkept promises...for too long. I say this: if this company as a whole, is as forthright & fiduciary as any other fully reporting company & is only a pinkie because of no other choice or ability, then prove it, prove it now by giving the checkable answers that they would otherwise have to provide, we're they fully reporting.....and if not, then that is highly suspicious. Yes/no???
It never did as far as I know & I looked very closely for that & it bothered me alot. I also posted here what the then boss (Chang) outright stated were the goals going fwd.... and they sounded pretty sensible & comprehensive....but then, all of a sudden, w/o warning or any explanation whatsoever, he was out of the driver's seat & even the the whole pointsphone thing remained on the website & it's own website for quite some time I think, but it never did anything & was simply abandoned & it was very fishy imho. Perfect setup to have a supposed "voip phone comapany" & then get the patents on the way, while owning the technology to build the biggest teleco around, (because they supposedly got the "foundational" technology) because everyone else would wind up having to answer to them! Hmmmmmmm
The full post did not go thru. Here is the whole thing..
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I guess that was a rhetorical question that doesn't really care about the answer, as it basically answered itself in the next sentence, where it directed to do so (to read the patent), which seems to assume the answer ahead of time. Thus my research, technical abilities & comprehension of same, is of no consequence to post...
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That said, I have made myself very familiar w/what vplm has to offer. The avg investor does not have the technical ability, knowledge or comprehension, I don't reckon, to be able to really understand the patent language as presented. No outside entity, to my knowledge, has ever presented such an evaluation, including the efficacy & value & foundational aspects of the patents. Becoming patents alone does not do that. If anyone here is qualified to make such an evaluation, please reveal those qualifications & offer up the evaluation.
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As to the basic idea of what ea patent does supposedly, I am familiar w/that. The simple problem, is that patents can say they created the universe itself, so long as they script it out good enough to meet the patent requisites, but that simply does not make it so. Many patents have never been proven to do what they say, inho. The beauty of this, regardless of its a scam, a miscalculation, a dream, or for real...is that it got backed by patents, which appears to legitimize it, but I have posted here before, the extremely high number of patents that get overturned or reversed later on.
"What's intersting is according to you the market had it wrong when this went up to .35, but now that it is down the market has it right."
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I don't think that is an accurate take on how it works. I think news & PR's can act to pump up a stock artificially & temporarily, but that is not the true value put upon by Mr market until a certain amount of time passes, allowing for all factors, good, bad & ugly, to filter through. A look at the peaks this has hit, reveals them to be sudden & short lived, while the far more accurate market value & trends can be seen over time. And even more accurately, as beer has pointed out, is the trend, direction & moving avg AFTER THE BIG ACCOMOLISHMENT... that being the oh so vaunted securing of the patents...and then giving it months & months of time for Mr market to "digest" ALL the factors & then print the results. I believe I am making good sense there, no? So the bottom line...is that there's a huge difference between pumps and/or news "reactions" & the real Mr market speaks.
"Many were saying when it was at .35 that you aren't up anything until you sell. So wouldn't that apply to being down?"
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Of course it applies both ways. That's elementary.. but it IS a bit different I think, in that while it's technically true nothing gained or lost until one sells, it's also true that the upside is infinite while the downside is not & I think that when you get down to a couple cents or sub penny, even after having started out there, after the hype & the ensuing drive to 35, that things look pretty grim for recovery when there doesn't appear to be any interest shown (regardless of what we've been told. How many different times & ways do we have to be told there's serious interest only to see no follow thru...???). So this unexpected 6/7 month slide (a repeat of the months previous to that..) of pps is different, when it comes to the short distance below & hard to sell or to hold for many. I wonder what is the s/h cost structure, ie, the percentage of bagholders @ .07? My guess is that dollars wise, there's more bagholders than winners, currently. And when the pps was climbing, all were encouraged to hold hold hold for the gazillions...
Good point. It's like vplm & the techno has always been in stealth mode, invisible.. Maybe they should apply for an additional patent for how to make online stock company's & their products invisible...think of the implications...talk about manipulation! (whoa..maybe someone else has it & has made us "invisible"??)
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Or, on the other hand... maybe they haven't been invisible at all & are very well known (as they should be & in fact are, imho), in which case, I would really, really like to hear an explanation for what they're all "waiting for"........???
Please explain or describe your definition or criteria for "foundational". And please explain why you think the market & the businesses who use the technology, after all this time & all the info available, don't "get it" yet, but you do..
I cannot understand how that could or would be the case...especially considering the sheer importance of "foundational" (to voip) patents. Please enlighten..
The complimentary "comedy & tragedy" on stage... funny, but not. The "goodies" are like dark matter & dark energy. They're there...purportedly... but we just can't seem to see or quantify. I hope for all investors sake, that the battle to elude from the prize, is not deliberate or won in the end..... but advise not to hold one's breath..
Oh... and as to "if something doesn't give pretty soon, it'll be too late".... We're not supposed to trouble our little heads about that. There used to be esteemed poster's here (where'd they go..?) who assured us over & again...thst the pps matters not a bit!
There's no shortage of irony w/this stock...at least not apparently... until experience & familiarity w/these sorts of "goings on..", give way to less & less surprise... yep, even when seeing the bass-ackwards "reactions" from too much of the purple aci...i mean kool-ai...i mean well crafted pr's & canned "cc's"...where the massive amt of intelligently derived & surmised negatives are blown off as mere feathers in the wind, while taking what used to be reasonably well held positives, which have long since pretty much proven to be....well...its kinda (being kind) obvious at this point that they've become close to defining ridiculous, to hope for or expect, in terms of "the big dream". Seeing what has happened & how the company dished it out, for several years now, and having been thru this more than once before, has slowly but surely, for me (some seemed to know it long ago), eroded away not only my last money, but any semblance of hope or belief in it. I guess I see the current pps, more of a percentage of how much hope or belief I have left for a positive outcome. To bad I didn't do what I did the last time I saw something just like this happen w/another stock, which is that I was smart enough to sell enough when it was making false peaks, so that much later, upon having waited out the big payoff to happen, that I wound up close to breaking even, instead of losing it all, like many did, (to the tune of hundreds of millions), and like what is pretty surely happening here w/vplm.... Too bad... I listened to all the pumpers & all the know it all's, and I read & read read & researched until I couldn't see anymore & kept resisting listening to the highly experienced and knowledgeable ppl, telling myself they had some unfair or unjust agenda............but after enough time & enough confusing & challenging & negative events came to light, which in turn caught up with the negative commentary, I could no longer ignore what made good, solid, unmistakable sense, while at the same time all the promises became more & more broken, the apparent lies, mistakes, missteps, steadily plunging pps, wacky events, 100mil bad payout, ceo steps down & won't give a simple reason, and on & on & on for miles....and then listening to 1 or 2 ppl say none of any of all that means anything of the slightest (negative)...that's what took me over the line... that anyone could sit there and say none of it amounted to beans.... Then BOOM... that woke me up to not listen anymore to what assists in stringing ppl along with what now doesn't seem to amt to anything more than blind faith, disguised as "solid facts" (positives). The 2 major "rides" I've experienced (in the market & not counting a bunch of small ones also) with what was built up to the Empire state bldg... only to eventually suck canal water, have been a major education for me, of the cutthroat & typical "follow the money" trail nature of the market. The craziest thing to me, about this play, is what a genuine & true miracle it would take for this to play out the way the die hard believers think, while they....are totally immersed in the belief..... lol, the proverbial sure thing...
And yet more wonderful past new years time posts...and great examples of vplm DD...as well as showing the tremendous progress made!
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Some interesting posts from around new years time, last couple yrs. Hang loose & maybe I'll post some more of the same in 2016...2017, 18?? Hope I'm wrong.. (will they buy more kool-aid...?)
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.....and from the previous new years time...
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The million dollar fine was basically for misrepresentation, however I've never seen anything to connect Chang to it or to name him. At some point (not sure if same time frame or not..?), Chang was involved w/Antares. Ironically, the knowledge that he was involved, comes from the voip-pal site, which listed as THE ONLY employment background for their ceo, lol, to be as some sort of advisor to Antares. Repeat...the entire employment record vplm listed on their website, for their ceo, was "advisor to Antares"...thats it!! What a joke.. I think that was 2012.
* the "chit-chat" 2 yrs ago...
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Paulo Ribeiro
Monday, 12/31/12 02:10:36 PM
Re: Spec_Investor post# 2935
Post # of 23689 Go
Specs_Investor - "Furthermore they are the plaintiffs. Nothing to lose for
VPLM"
Are you saying because vplm is plaintiff so there is nothing to loose? WOW
- OMG I'm shocked. Plaintiff is counter-sued for fraud and false claim and
other nasty inside dealings and you are saying because they are plaintiff
there is nothing to loose?
One thing to remember - Bleam claims VPLM committed fraud led by the
founder Kipping who is not officially affiliated with VPLM yet so far what we
have seen on the boards has him all over. It is called insider dealing and
breach of fiduciary dealing by VPLM and its CEO IMO. we have seen many
things like Platinum Tribe Inc also based in belize and caymans as well in
the past on this board. It is not coincident to see two beneficiaries of
shares based in Belize and Cayman, additional the registered agent and
owners of this companies are unknown. Really? You want to raise money
from a company overseas and not know or care who the owners are. VERY
FISHY....THEY MUST THINK WE ARE FOOLS?
This is against corporate rules and to some extent violation SEC law IMO.
Now off-course the alleged suit must be proven that infact there were bad
dealings as alleged.
This matter is major in my view. if the facts comes out and this alledged
fraud and clearly proven I would expect investors to follow suit IMO.
Technology: what tech? VPLM does not own any tech or intellectual rights.
The service is based on readily available market software. its
voipswitch.com the codes and rights belong to voipswitch. Its like buying
microsoft product and claiming rights and intellectual ownership to it. You
cant make changes to the software without going to the owners and paying
them for customization. This claim of intellectual property is false claim
once again.
While you are it how many customers does this company have? http://
apps.facebook.com/callbux Check this guys out. less than 2 months and
it shows that there are over 5,000 customers using the app. Goes to show
and speak volume.
So what happened to the anti virus for mobile dialers business.
the travellers mobile dialers cheap call proposition?
Attract customers and make revenue. How many press releases has been
put out there on promises...and none so far delivered?
This patent thing is a thing of the past. Lets talk in 3 months and see what
happens to this patent troll quest.
The Patents:
Lets see what comes out of this. I am sure skype/microsoft have high
powered attorneys to defend any suit from VPLM.
Additionally VPLM must go to court and invalidate microsoft and file a
case against damages. It takes over 2 years. Could costs millions of
dollars. Where is VPLM going to get the money from to defend this claim.
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This damn company has new tricks up its sleeves every quarter. bla bla we
are going to do this and that and then oh we are concentrating on patents
etc. What happened to basic business....get customers, provider services,
make money and profit. Seems that it is too difficult for this company to
make any money.
IMO it goes to show desperation and imcompetency by the management.
Search on the internet for voip Calls, even companies in afghanistan are
making money...
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* hmmf... kinda prophetic..
"I'll back a man based on his (or her) accomplishments and experience in the field over how any educational degree was procured any day."
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* there are several weaknesses or flaws embedded beneath the surface of that line of reason. On the surface, I would agree, but the problem is: 1) experience alone is not always a plus, ie, many ppl make the same mistakes over & over & don't learn from them. Or, in other cases, some are just nor cut out for a given endeavor, but get stuck in it for a long time in spite, thus "experienced". 2) experience with accomplishments, yes indeed, but the problem is that if the only one who touts the accomplishments is the one who is selling something, or simply repeated by someone else, for any number of reasons, but not independently reached conclusions, then said "accomplishments" don't necessarily go beyond being a good "writer" of advertisements, which, by no coincidence I might add, is THE premiere m/o of how pink sheet penny stocks operate. In facts IT IS what drives them & makes them work, for long periods of time, to be "moneymakers"...as opposed to money earners. That is, until such time as those with inquiring & skeptical minds begin to check into the veracity of the claims, often craftily disguised as real accomplishments, and find out that the claims & the bio's are often, more often than not (just ask the sec) are overblown and/or downright false. Ironically, it is the skeptics or the whistle-blower's, when they uncover such stuff, even for perfectly fair reasons, who are usually ridiculed & put in a bad light for their efforts, by the potential/possible kool aid drinkers....who also, by the way, in the vast majority of instance, lose money, and also who have an intrinsic reason to tend to defend their faith & sell short the skeptics who do fair detective work/research (I prefer the term research, because of all the "holier-than-thou" attitudes that have surfaced on the financial msg boards, whom in my opinion, have attached a negative connotation now, to the term "due diligence", as though they seem to feel & post that anyone who disagrees w/them doesn't know how to ascertain FACTS or how to research their questions & info. I have done a tremendous amt of research to reach my conclusions, so when I hear them cry "FACTS" & DO SOME DD, it's insulting or ridiculous, depending on the viewing angle.
In the research I have done, I have not found little to no substantiation for ANYTHING vplm has put out there, for nearly 9 yrs. Never is any of it corroborated by any outside sources. All they do is toot their own horn & zip & zag enough, along with very crafty "ambiguous" statements, which many folks don't check up on or deeply enough, to enable them to sell shares of stock & keep it all going with those shares, distributed to those who knowingly or unknowingly, support the ongoing money making machine. If one goes back the entire 9 year history & checks on the promises & the pr's & the "cc's" & the white papers & the listed bio's, one will find that most of not all the promises, have gone unfulfilled & no outside proof of efficacy has been shown as to the technology offered for sale, & all the past endeavors, while touted big time, as "world leading edge" services, devices & technologies, from pointsphone to magic jack, to India deal, to voip service, to long distance, to anti-virus, to 911, to LI, etc etc etc etc etc.....has panned out as workable, valuable, viable, proven, or able to serve others & make money, except for to sell more shares. Not a single thing they supposedly set out to do, came to pass, w/the exception of the patents, but even though they got them, none have been shown to be valuable, after all this time, to anybody...so not surprising that not only has no one made any serious move to buy them, but no one even seems to recognize vplm or the patents, in any way, shape or form, good, bad or otherwise. And every mention of any of it, from the outside, is ALWAYS just a regurgitation of who vplm themselves has said, about themselves.
Investors here keep saying: "but look at this & look at that", in terms of so called accomplishments for the company, as well as in the bio's..... but when I check, there's never any outside validation, just "talk.. talk...talk...." & in some cases, the claims are found to be bogus. Baloney PhD's, pretty non-trivial in my opinion, can't find any substantiation for Chang's or that he worked for IBM, as claimed. In fact the only connection I could find w/the name Chang & IBM, is a different guy. And Sawyer associated w/all these Knights templar type organizations, which in itself isn't necessarily negative, but then to find him deeply associated with "Reiki masters" & mind control & ascension & cancer cures, etc etc...and hear all the faithful refer to him as "Doctor" when the schools were online & said to be diploma Mills by many associates and students...and then to step down, unexpectedly, as ceo, with no reason given, other than "personal" and right after this 100 million shares debacle, which appears to have been orchestrated by him (thanks to the info from beer) & involving names such as Kipling & now (lol) Chang, considering all the past allegations & shady emails that seemed to involve possible insider trading.... All coincidence, right?? And this Inza guy, whose record only seems to include failed penny stocks (as far as I could find so far..). And the Candy guy seems to be the only reason the Aussie firm was chosen with their "MANDATE" to sell vplm, as they supposedly had the best offer yet... but months later, NOTHING has come of it.... and Sawyers promise to soon update us as to the progress they made, also (guess what?), also came to nil, like everything else.... 9 years/ain't made a nickel...but they got the majority of a billion shares (whether they sold any or not..). And I have read that there isn't a lot of bona fide value to others, that can be shown, proven or connected to, much of all the other vast company associations, listed in the self written bio's.
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"Diversionary stuff - LMAO
Of course, you mean diversionary stuff like
Major (foundational) patents Tucker and Candy on the board, who are VERY highly regarded by the WORLD of telecommunications
The entire Telco world moving toward smart phones and VOIP
Oh right, THOSE diversions
But of course , these PALE in comparison to the discussion of Dr. Tucker's credentials....."
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* this is what I call a "red herring enigma".... a red herring wrapped in a red herring, ie, I said it was "diversionary" because all my original post referenced was that I could find no substantiation for Tucker's supposed PhD. Then you added all that other stuff. But I had not said anything about all those other claims for Tucker. I only said I could not find any validation for the PhD.... so most definitely, it was diversionary. (not to mention that all the claims you listed for him are undocumented anyway, but that doesn't matter, since I had not challenged it... only questioned the PhD.
"Yes, nyt - we know what you mean. It is all so un-documented....I mean there is so little info about Dr. Tucker...."
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Perhaps you need glasses?? My post said NOTHING about Tucker being "undocumented", nothing of the kind... And I also said NOTHING in terms of there "being so little info about Tucker". You must either be seeing things or maybe you saw it somewhere else? I said nothing if the kind.
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The only thing I said about Tucker... and I think it was less than 10 words...was that I could find no validation for the PhD he purports to have. That's it. All the rest of what you pasted was already widely known & disseminated info, nothing new at all (w/the possible exception of I don't recall having seen mention of any professorship before). So it's your words, not mine, nor did I even imply such. The PhD is the only thing I mentioned.
FACT: close to 100%, if not totally, of the attributes & bio's of all the guys who run this show, are self listed & self promoted. All of it... And that would include the attributes of the technology as well. I don't recall having ever seen a word of any if it as having been written or validated by outside sources, EVER! And as part of the info, are the purported education background. Based on these self presentations, alot of claims are thrown around, including all these "doctorates" & being referred to as "Dr.", along with all the props about their "stellar-ness" & impeccable records. But when I do the research, I find online obtained diplomas, considered by many associated with them, as "diploma mills", or non-accredited and/or other negative & lacking descriptions & assessments....as well as non-existant schools, and/or no published record at all, as to where PhD's were obtained. Accomplishments don't get much more esteemed than PhD's, and it's the duty of any reasonably intelligent pennystock investor or prospective one, to not simply accept these accomplishments as gospel, because it's well & widely known that pennystock directors & associates OFTEN make up bs claims. It's just THE WAY IT IS... and that's why those that accept the claims w/o question, have come to take on & be adopted as: "kool-aid drinkers" & by default & by nature, grow blinders to anything that threatens to expose that maybe the emperor has no clothes...
And so I guess that sort of explains why the simple act of trying to righteously substantiate the PhD's (etc), is met by all this diversionary stuff. Very understandable tho...
"Ed Candy is the Technology Strategist for the 3 Group. He gained this position following his role as Group Technology Director for Hutchison 3G which he held until February 09. In this previous role, he was primarily responsible for the development of the worlds most advanced 3G Networks operating across nine countries. He successfully introduced enterprise and IP systems and architectures into the cellular networks to create the most powerful broadband content and services delivery platform amongst 3G operators."
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I posted the 2012 & 2013 top 20 most influential ppl in the voip industry & also the top 50... So why in those independent lists, cannot Mr candy, Mr Malak, Mr Sawyer, or Mr tucker be found, especially if so "stellar" a board of highly accomplished technologists....??? Just thought I'd ask..
Can't find any substantiation for Colin Tucker PhD whatsoever, but it's cool we're in the hands of all these "doctors"...esp considering how "sick" the pps, etc is...
Happy Festivus
Regards the FACTS as to Sawyer's supposed doctorates, he says he holds 2 PhD's & it is a pretty important element towards being considered as "stellar" & "flawless"..
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There are 3 different references to be found as to "Walden University". 1 began in fla. in 1970 & moved to be based in Minneapolis, Minnesota, a 2nd, is defunct & the 3rd is the fictional Walden University from the comic strip Doonesbury. I made sure that all the info I am posting is for the Minnesota based "school" that is associated w/the so called PhD held by our own Tom Sawyer ("today's Tom Sawyer, he gets by on you.. "). The info below explains how "accreditation" is not what it used to be. In any event, the "accreditation" was rcvd in 1990, 20 yrs after the school began & the same year Sawyer's "PhD" is dated, so it may or may not have been granted before or after the so called "accreditation" of this online school.
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Kelly - November 29, 2014
Degree: Business, Management, Marketing, and Related Support Services, Other
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I feel that Walden is too easy. Honestly, most of the students in my classes could not have passed the classes in a traditional university. The students do not create great work, yet they still receive good grades.
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Who thinks Walden University is a Diploma Mill?
In the old days it was easy to spot a diploma mill. All you had to do was to find out if they were accredited or not. Now every business organization that wants to make a buck is starting a "University". They get a bunch of professors from other schools, come up with a bs curriculum, and sell it to students who had poor grades in high school or undergrad. They don't ask
for a SAT or GRE.
Walden University seems to be one of those schools. The classes are completely canned and ridiculously easy. Students were taking 4+ classes a semester until the school received bad press and stopped the practice.
Now their students just sit through classes, doing the minimum amount of work (mostly taken from previous online postings), and get a degree in half the time of a regular school.
Sure it's not like the "send your check and receive a degree in 30 days" schools, but it's close.
Has anyone else gone there and what did you think?
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They are accredited, but that means very little to the employment world. I received my Masters from Walden in 2005 and it has been treated with nothing but mockery since. Capella University, Phoenix University, and Walden University are not looked up favorably by employers. Given the choice, I would not go back to Walden and wish that I had gone to a better school to begin with. Sure the classes were pretty easy and it did fit my schedule, but the end degree just doesn’t carry the same weight.
I think I did see a ranking for online schools in US News & World Report a couple years ago - and it wasn’t pretty. Walden ranked better than most of the others, but still well below the national average in just about everything.
I can’t image that they’ll let themselves be ranked again for a very long time. Distance education can offer advanced degrees in Bachelor, Master, and PhDs, but this school just hasn’t got it right yet.
As for whether or not they are a diploma mill, I’m not sure. I really didn’t have to work that hard for my degree. The classes are all canned and the assignments are simple. Only one or two of the classes gave me a hard time, and that is because I was so use to coasting my way through. So they aren’t the typical degree mill that just sends you a piece of paper, but it is fairly close.
FYI: I was not the greatest student in my undergrad or in high school. I don’t think that I ever got over a 3.0 GPA and I never even took my GRE.
AND Walden was still easy. Oh well, I’m considering going to a traditional bricks and mortal school for my PhD.
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Walden University
A marketing company masquerading as a school. Anytime anyone says anything bad about them online a bunch of fake people, who all sound exactly the same, show up to defend it.
The school is the bottom of the barrel of accredited colleges. It is the community college of online schools. The only reason to go to Walden University is because you can't get in anywhere else.
This review will never be number #1 on Urban Dictionary because Walden University staff members are paid to scour the internet and purge honest information about their school.
by Another Walden Grad July 10, 2008
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Walden University
An online diploma mill masquerading as a school. They started as small non-accredited college selling degrees through the mail and have since graduating to sending people spam messages about their graduate programs. Everyone who applies will be accepted as they don’t require a GRE, SAT, or a pulse. If you can pay, you can get yourself a Walden education.
Their professors are all part-time employees who are usually employed at other colleges at teach at Walden for the extra money. All of their classes are canned and don’t really require any real learning. Just write papers and do the minimum and you’ll have a worthless degree in no time at all. The people who run the small office in Minneapolis, MN change regularly and are usually unhappy with their lives. The school goes through dean's and heads of departments so quickly that even the staff jokes about it.
This is the college for anyone who wants to brag about having a degree while they’re restocking the shelves at Target.
I worked at Walden University for two years, finished my online MBA with them, and still can’t get a job anywhere else. F*ck Walden University.
by Wasted MyMoney March 13, 2008
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Walden University
One of those diploma mill schools that sends out junk mail to try to trick you into thinking that it is a real college.
In reality, they are a real school like a cubic zirconia is a real diamond.
They are to colleges like Showgirls is to fine cinema. If they were a food product, they would be a frozen TV dinner . Attending Walden University is like telling the world that your local community college was alright, but you just didn't feel like studying that hard.
The only way that you could possibly go lower than Walden University is if you didn't go at all.
In my email today is three Viagra spams, two about refinancing my house and one Walden University spam email.
by Ricky101 May 12, 2009
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Walden University
The only school dumb enough to advertise on a page that their ex- students call them a diploma mill , a marketing company masquerading as a school, worse than a community college and the bottom of the barrel of - accredited colleges.
Seriously, I don't have anything against Walden University. I would never go there, don't know anyone who would and would never even consider it.
But if you have no other- choice, I guess that it's slightly better than not going to college. Just exp-ect to be laughed at by most perspective future employers. I only found this page because it comes up in the top 5 Google searches when you search college ranking s or best colleges or something.
Weird eh?
Look to the right, above or underneath this post - Walden University is actually advertising on this page! Now that is sad.
by Santos DeRosa June 01, 2009
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Walden University One of the oldest diploma mills. Walden University = the degree is not worth the paper it is written on. Walden University = you won't get a job as a result of your education.
My half sister got all her degrees from online universities that were diploma mills. First, American Public/American Military University for her first two degrees then Walden University for her Ph.D. They accepted her credits from her community college days and gave her credit for "life experience." So, she really only completed one year of education at APU/AMU for her Bachelors, then she completed barely a year for her masters.
Then, her sister (my other half sister) went to AMU/APU shortly after and submitted the same work the other sister submitted. One of the two pursued her Ph.D. at Walden and thinks it was legitimate. Later, she was laughed out of job interviews and figured out her program was not accredited and she wasted her time and money in the program, since no one will hire her. Also, no one will accept her credits from Walden University.
She claimed she was trying to be the first one in the family to get an education. I guess the type of education didn't matter. I graduated from traditional colleges and universities and went on to get my law degree (a juris doctorate) and a post-doctoral degree (all from traditional schools where people knew me), and I got a very nice, fun, and high paying job. I guess she didn't get the memo.
by iknowbettertoo September 25, 2013
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Walden University
An accredited online university founded in 1970. The university offers
bachelors, masters, and doctorate degrees.
I completed my college degree at Walden University.
by Rehctaw July 10, 2008
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A Real Joke; And A Waste of Money I would like to state
that I was[ ] a student in attendance at Walden University, (WU). Any student considering taking classes this university should read all reviews; in my honest opinion they are accurate. I strongly believe that individuals who have written A1 reviews; are staff and have probably been paid to write the review. The student body appears to be made up from a high percentage of African American, Hispanic, and White individuals from middle to low income communities. The other small percentage are from
other countries. This determination is based on statistical reviews and observations at residencies. The staff or at least those attending the residencies are at least 99% lily white. You will waste your money at WU— point blank! If you want to take a course here or there—okay. As for a real career move, and to become the recipient of an outstanding degree; or help with social change, this is not the place. I cannot begin to tell you the
racism that I experienced when if first enrolled. It’s not important so I will leave it at that. Walden is basically a trap that sucks the life out of the financial aid and loans that students are granted. The financial aid office is a joke. You cannot get through on the telephone without speaking to student support first. The student support team, like academic advising, technical support and all the other live chat prove to know absolutely nothing but script reading. Let me add, they sound sleep or waking up off of some high as a result of drug use. My experience with financial aid, and
the fact that I have taken out personal loans to fund my education are for some reason always on hold. After waiting literateraly until the next term for money that I will need to pay back; not to mention approved as a result of my credit, and by the DOE; I get a nasty response from the support team when I question. The first thing that is mentioned is that your refund blah, blah, blah , ;when my primary reason for my calling was to determine the date the tuition will be applied to my account. The financial aid office
continuously communicates information via email “there is a hold on your account…”. With this being the case, if the funds were sent to the school, why aren’t the funds released? Attendance at residencies is truly a shame. How many times do you need to speak with an academic advisor? Not to mention, standing in the long childish lines, and free coffee is what you get for the high tuition students’ pay. The same information and speakers year
after year. A real waste of money; this is both actual and the now virtual. If you would like to go to Spain, go for fun; not to go over APA’s Manual again. The designated hotel, very expensive. The flights, very expensive.
These residencies make absolutely no sense. They really need to be for free or always online. Securing a Mentor and Chair Committee is the third joke; it might be the 20th joke to some; or perhaps the impossible dream [remember the song]. I have been trying to get a mentor for almost two years now. I am seeking to enroll in a traditional university; in this case I can back track what I missed. This is not to state that all online schools are bad. Taking electives while waiting to secure a mentor and chair
committee are not all bad because you are initiating continuous class room learning. If I had to do this all over again, I would not choose WU.
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Jkterry2003 (In Progress) on July 25, 2012
My time at Walden University On September 9, 2009, I
enrolled into Walden University’s Master in Mental Health Counseling program. Now, three years later, 22 core courses, a GPA of 3.34, and $80,000.00, I have been expelled from the university, to never re-apply. I would like to add, I was enrolled in the third week of my very last core course, and preparing for my internship. The university has added “Turnitin” as a tool to check for plagiarism, to the course requirement. But, it appears to me, that not all the professors have the same level of knowledge and understanding of the tool. I have been given different
information by different professors. Or, when I inquired, I was unable to assist me with knowledge about the tool. I am absolutely shocked at being expelled for the reason that was given to me. Plagiarism. Yes, I was accused of plagiarizing a final paper. I disagree with the school’s findings.
But, who am I? I attempted to argue my case, but fell on death ear. Even though I have three years invested, $80,000.00 in cost and have successfully completed all the core courses except one, Walden University did not consider me worth their time to teach me what I was doing wrong.
Is this the type of institution of higher learning you would enjoy learning from? I would like to point out, as a 61 year old, I have a BS degree in Psychology, Sociology and a minor in Education, a MS degree in Guidance, Counseling and Human Services, have been working as a Mental Health Counselor at San Francisco General Hospital and Trauma Center in San Francisco, California for the past 10 years, and was previously the Director of Mental Health at a 1,600 inmate prison. I said all that to say, Walden
University is not my first professional encounter and I do bring experience and a wealth of knowledge to the table. I think I deserve more than what Walden University think I deserve. “Turnitin” is not rocket science, therefore, I am capable of learning whatever is necessary. But, evidently Walden University thought otherwise. I wonder how and why they arrived at that decision? I think Walden University is attracted to dollar signs and less
interested in educating. This has been the worst decision I have made in my entire life. An unfortunately, I will not live long enough to repay all the money I have borrowed to attend Walden University. Please, seriously think about your decision to attend a heartless institution as Walden University.
Good luck. Thank you, James Kenneth Terry
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Anonymous (In Progress) on July 16, 2013
Busy work As a teacher at Walden I found that the
course materials were very poor with no clear behavioral objectives. There was a strong hierarchical structure which was inappropriate in dissertation supervision, where a consensual structure is generally acceptable elsewhere. The IRB was just an empire-building unit which stifled important topics related to disability. The URR was capricious and contradictory, headed and staffed by people who were often un-qualified in statistics. If Einstein had gone to Walden University he would not have
been allowed creativity or relativity. Some students left unqualified and
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As to the other "PhD" Sawyer holds, it's supposedly from "Florida State Christian College"...
http://www.foreigncredits.com/Resources/Unaccredited-Universities/
In above link, "Florida state Christian College" (which is listed by Sawyer as one of his PhD schools) is listed as "unaccredited", however, further checking seems to reveal that there is NO SUCH SCHOOL. No, it is not the former Florida Christian College (which was started in 1976. Sawyers "diploma" is from 1971. There simply is no listing I can find for such a school!
Funny... Seems that the whole 100mil shares debacle, serves as another in a long line of diversions resistive to the "goal". Is it coincidence... or part of some grand design???...who knows?... but all of a sudden now it is suggested that nothing can go fwd until this matter, which might take who knows how long?..... is reconciled... and maybe someone can tell me...?...the 6 mos long, steady slide of the pps into the 'voiplet, represents the sell off of about how many shares?? That's how it works, no?... hmmm, let's see....it was up to near .35 cents & now down to near .07....
Hey, so how's them infringement letters coming along...??? Oh.. and them bidding wars must be up to about 11 trillion dollars by now.... I'm so glad for the abundance of vplm goodies under the tree...er, ah, well..theyll be under there in a couple days, no? And now that I've learned that our fearless leader (oops, forgot he stepped down) has studied under crystal holding, oxygenating, cancer curing, multi-dimentional-mind freaking, Reiki Masters....wellllll..... dammmmmnnnnn...... I have total confidence that Doctor Correspondence will find a way to make us all happy!! And why not...??.... he's also a knight of the military order of the temple of Jerusalem. Heck, I think he even brought Reagan his doses of carnivora... Word has it that he turned Nixon on to the phrase "I am not a crook!"... and taught Ford how to take a fall....
http://www.thewhistleblowers.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Dr-Thomas-Edgar-Sawyer-knighting-at-Hill-AFB-Utah-c3124db0.jpg
As to whoever was referenced as being "one of the 8 most influential men in the industry", it was listed as "FACT", but by who??...some self promotion perhaps? The "FACT" is not supported by any "FACTS", but rather just listed as "FACT". Well, here's some actual supporting "FACTS"...
http://getvoip.com/blog/2014/01/02/20-most-influential-people-in-voip-2013
http://getvoip.com/blog/2012/12/18/top-20-most-influential-people-in-voip-of-2012
http://it.toolbox.com/blogs/voip-news/the-50-most-influential-people-in-voip-52083
Nowhere do I see any vplm associated names so much as mentioned.
As to Sawyer, he's no doubt a highly accomplished man w/an amazing life...really awesome...
Did you also know he's a neo Knights templar, a knight of Malta member, a sovereign military order the Knights of Jerusalem membdr, apparently self styled Knights templar, a rieki master, a shaman healer (with a group that sells courses & cancer cures, etc), with these things above having many shady connections? You don't find those things listed in his resume, curiously, but they are all the same guy. How about being "mandated" by the one of these neo Knights groups to procure up to 100,000 tons of pure gold while he was also head of some gold mining company. Then there's the "multi-dimentionsl mind" seminars he teaches (as far as I can tell..) along with the other shamans & cancer cure guys, etc. It all sounds pretty hokie, but wtfdik? I know, I know, it must be all good cause he's a "flawless" & "stellar" bod member.
Here's some supporting (and well researched) "FACTS". (unfortunately, trying to follow it all & make sense out of it all & separate the wheat from the chaff, is a slippery slope, not an easy task, but it's all real stuff & documented.
http://www.medicalqigongflorida.com/class-schedule/multidimensional-mind-testimonials/
http://www.reikihealingtreat.com/videos/multidimensional-mind-with-dr-tom-e-sawyer
As to evidence that MS isn't interested, their actions (or INACTION) is proof enough, all this long time later, since MS became aware of the technology & have made no serious bid to get it from vplm. As I noted before, it's reasonable obvious that MS could have obtained the entire kit & kaboodle for a veritable "song", in the past year or so,and with mere "pocket change" for them. That is reasonable thinking, but ignored. If there were any offers, other than the one we were told was made & subsequently rejected, we would know about it, from vplm, just as they told us about the one that is supposedly "still on the table". That is connecting dots, but ignored.
As to the supposed FACT that "the BOD could care less" about what is discussed on the msg board, I believe that is conjecture, an opinion, a belief, not "FACT" that is incessantly called for.. Where is the supporting "FACTS" to support the contention (non-fact)? Actually it is FACT that they do read it & consider things said on it, because I saw it so stated by bod member(s). It was quoted not that long ago right here on this board. It was on one of the PR's. The bod member specifically referenced things said on this msg board. I don't know where it is at the moment. I have to see if I saved it or I will have to search for it, but there is no doubt I read it.(it might also have been in the last "cc").Even w/o that it is naive to think they do not read the main (by far) msg board as a barometer of the thoughts of many of their shareholders. That would be true whether a scam, a incompetant company or totally on the up & up. Human nature. Of course they look at it sometimes.
"Nobody has been convicted of fraud!"
So what? OJ Simpson wasnt convicted either. Clinton wasn't impeached. So what? Not being convicted of something doesn't mean it hasn't committed. FACT! If I'm not mistaken, the sec can find guilt w/o a fraud conviction. (I could be mistaken). And don't forget.... IT TAKE TIME! "IF" convictions are in order or to be, it takes time to get thru the halls of justice.) (alot more than it takes for a bug dig player to buy a set of patents it needs to control voip).
"There is value here. FACT!"
Yet there is no proof of this supposed "FACT" offered. Nada..Nothing.. Zilch. The indicators from Mr market, for a long time, are NAY! That isn't proof but it's a damn good indication. All patents get approved & it's all well known, but ppl slides continually (except for the PR's...that are no longer believed..). Alot of "big talk" for quite some time, but "no beef". (with the possible exception of 1 unacceptable offer, months ago & nuttin' else). Funny, how no-one of those who are always playing the NDA card, didn't thing it was out of line or unusual that we were told right away that there was an offer on the table. But going by that, we would also have been told of other offers. Ain't been any. FACT!
"$ 1.15-1.25. Malik isn't settling for anything less."
Don't look now, but ppl say alot of things & later change their mind. I know 'it's a rare occurrence', but it happens. It's not a 'guarantee in writing' subject to perjury...FACT!
Incidentally, his name is Malak, not Malik. FACT!
If you think you can counter claims that are very broad, vague, lacking in the full facts & conveniently self convincing... with points that are fully supported, objective, logical, time tested, well researched & pretty self-evident....you've come down the wrong rabbit hole. Too much of the blue kool-aid leaves some blind & resistive to small facts like fraud, ineptness, inexperience in necessary areas, and failures to deliver on fiduciary duties. Then again, on the other hand, there seems evident, a real trend in more naysayers & less pumpers on the msg board. I hope it results in them losing less money than they otherwise would've. And the longer & more sure it appears that this isn't ever gonna go positive, which it sure seems that way...i hope it also results in less & less benefit to the insiders running this show.
I'd say it's a waste of time to contact the media. Reason being that there is a high percentage of scams or otherwise mismanaged and/or mishandled companies to be found on the OTC, but most especially on the lowly pink sheets. I'd venture a guess that at any given moment, there are many stock scams or incompetent dealings occurring. There are too many for the gov to keep up with (and/or the gov is also incompetent, complicit or otherwise not up to the job of providing protections). Thus, it's simply not newsworthy, in terms of big media, rather commonplace. There have been far bigger scams or mismanagement stories that have occurred that didn't warrant media coverage. It takes stories nowadays, on the scale of Bernie Maddoff, to rate coverage. Also, nothing has been proven, to my knowledge, to show vplm to be a scam anyway. Maybe it is, maybe not or maybe just bad management or maybe no problem at all, outside of the lack of transparency, but such a lack is not normally for good reasons. The point is, that it's foolish to think vplm is deserving if major media coverage for ripping anybody off because that's far from having been established, contrary to some postings. That said, it most certainly, in my opinion, deserves such coverage in terms of what it has publicly said about the value, efficacy & foundational aspects of the technology it now has patents on. That, is most definitely Italy a big story, if there is any level of truth to it. And I do believe that it is easily big enough, implication wise, that if I were the editor of a large media outlet, I definite would do some checking & run a big story on it, because according to what the company has laid out to the public, the control & the potential value of the portfolio is so massive, that it demands to have a spotlight shine on, for better or worse. I think it's a fine idea to forward the company info, targeting any & all points to that relate to the foundational & baseline aspects of the patents, as they relate to voip, as well as pointing out the current huge use of voip & the well established & pretty immediate future of voip, as well as the ancillary services to now fall within the pervue of the portfolio, such as video, gaming, text msg, chat, etc, which use internet & we've been advised that these forms will also be subject to the patents. And how all of the major voip players are now subject to infringement and/or licencing requirements for the the 20 yr patent lifespan. Now THAT'S a STORY that a smart media outlet, or a "20/20" type show, would want to sink their teeth into. This is what I've been saying all along, in effect, that if the story is all for real, as touted, then it would already be known by the big dogs, as it's been no secret (note: the MS LI story & the subsequent mention that vplm holds the patent) and therefore been grabbed up by now. Something is wrong w/the picture... And as I've reported several times here & provided links, all the major print news media carried (in its financial sections) carried the stories or the PR's of ea bit of significant news to be released by the company, so it's all been out there, consistently, and all along, incl WSJ, NYT, Washington post, etc etc. No one cared. It reminds me of the line in Eleanor Rigby: about father McKenzie writing the words to a sermon that nobody hears, nobody cares... However, maybe some media outlet or program or show will pick up the story if the above points are brought to their attention.. I can't see why not when the implications are so gargantuan.
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Of all the outlets to list securities on, this is the bottom of the barrel:
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OTC Pink - an open marketplace for a broad spectrum of equity
securities, with no financial standards or reporting requirements.
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...information about
microcap companies can be extremely difficult to find, making them more vulnerable to investment fraud schemes and making it less likely that quoted prices in the market will be based on full and complete information about the company.
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RISK: Some of these companies have no assets, operations, or revenues. Others have products and services that are still in development or have yet to be tested in the market. Another risk that pertains to microcap stocks involves the low volumes of trades. Because many microcap stocks trade in low volumes, any size of trade can have a large percentage impact on the price of the stock.
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Companies quoted in the OTC Pink tier are assigned different symbols by OTC Markets, depending on whether they have provided "current" information, "limited" information or "no information." (where is that symbol for vplm?)
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Caution: By law, the reports that companies file with the SEC must be truthful and complete, presenting the facts investors find important in making decisions to buy, hold, or sell a security. But the SEC cannot guarantee the accuracy of the reports companies file. Some dishonest companies break the law and file false reports. Every year, the SEC brings enforcement actions against companies who've "cooked their books" or failed to provide important information to investors. Read SEC filings - and
all other information - with a questioning and critical mind.
(the above info is one possible reason vplm chooses to not file w/the sec. "Chooses" is the correct operative word, as even companies that are not required to file, may still choose to do so, for the benefit of its investors.)
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Even in the absence of fraud, a lack of public information about a company can make investing in its stock more risky because the prices that are quoted for the stock are less likely to accurately reflect the risks and opportunities associated with the company and its business. In addition, stocks of such companies may
trade only in small volumes.
Of potentially greater concern is that the lack of reliable, readily available information about some microcap companies can open the door to fraud.
It's easier for fraudsters to manipulate a stock when there's little or no information available about the company.
Fraud involving microcap stocks often depends on spreading false
information. Here's how some fraudsters carry out their scams:
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Internet Fraud Fraudsters often use aliases on Internet bulletin boards and chat rooms to hide their identities and post messages urging investors to buy stock in microcap companies based on supposedly "inside" information about impending developments at the companies.
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Questionable Press Releases Fraudsters often issue press releases that contain exaggerations or lies about the microcap company's sales, acquisitions, revenue projections, or new products or services. These fraudulent press releases are then disseminated through legitimate financial news portals on the Internet.
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You can also get
information on your own from these sources:
From the company Ask the company if it is registered with the SEC and files reports with the SEC. If the company is small and unknown to most people, you should also call your state securities regulator to get information about the company, its management, and the brokers or promoters who've encouraged you to invest in the company.
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From your state securities regulator We strongly urge you to contact your state securities regulator to find out whether they have information about a company and the people behind it. Look in the government section of your phone book or visit the website of the North American Securities Administrators Association at http://www.nasaa.org/ to get the name and phone number. Even though the company does not have to register it's securities with the SEC, it may have to register them with your state. Your
regulator will tell you whether the company has been legally cleared to sell securities in your state.
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The Secretary of State Where the Company Is Incorporated Contact the secretary of state where the company is incorporated to find out whether the company is a corporation in good standing. You may also be able to obtain copies of the company's incorporation papers and any annual reports it files with the state. Please visit the National Association of Secretaries of State website at www.nass.org for contact information regarding a particular Secretary of State.
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Caution If you've been asked to invest in a company but you can't find any record that the company has registered its securities with the SEC or your state, or that it's exempt from registration, call or write your state's securities regulator or submit a complaint to the SEC at http://www.sec.gov/complaint/select.shtml immediately with all the details. You may have come face-to-face with a scam.
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To invest wisely and avoid investment scams, research each investment opportunity thoroughly and ask questions. These simple steps can make the difference between profits and losses:
1. Find out whether the company has registered its securities with the SEC or your state's securities regulators.
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Read carefully the most recent reports the company has filed with the SEC and pay attention to the company's financial statements,
particularly if they are not audited or not certified by an accountant. If the company does not file reports with the SEC, ask your broker if she has any information on the company: she may have a 'Rule 15c2-11 file' containing basic facts about the company. However, in reviewing the Rule 15c2-11 file, it is also important to keep in mind that this information may have become inaccurate or out-of-date, and your broker is not responsible for ensuring that the information in the file remains accurate and timely.
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Check out the people running the company with your state securities regulator, and find out if they've ever made money for investors before. Also ask whether the people running the company have had run-in with the regulators or other investors.
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Odd Items in the Footnotes to the Financial Statements Many microcap fraud schemes involve unusual transactions among individuals connected to the company. These can be unusual loans or the exchange of questionable assets for company stock that may be discussed in the footnotes. (the 100 mil shares comes to mind..)
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Unusual Auditing Issues Be wary when a company's auditors have refused to certify the company's financial statements or if they've stated that the company may not have enough money to continue operating. Also question any change of accountants.
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Insiders Own Large Amounts of the Stock In many microcap fraud cases - especially "pump and dump" schemes - the company's officers and promoters own significant amounts of the stock. When one person or group controls most of the stock, they can more easily manipulate the stock's price at your expense.
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There never 'has' been any proof of anything, but at least there used to be alot of indications of positives. Unfortunately, them seem to have all evolved into doubts & blatant negatives. There's not really much I can see anymore to merit faith. Maybe blind faith. Hope, is about all there is for those with shares, hope for a miracle, because that is surely what it would take for a company listed on the lowest form of market in the USA. One that is recognized by all experts as a haven for bad investments & scams, fraught with warnings from the sec, and many other authorities. The sec is trying to do away with the pink sheet aspect of the otc groups. I think if the company was for real they would have & should have obtained outside proof positive if the true & current major value of the patents. That's the only thing that would have seen this go a better way or could now. Mr market has spoken, the voip companies appear to have (not) spoken, the BOD does nothing to show they have defended our patents, nothing has come of the promise to uplist & gain more respect, nothing came of the promise to update us on the progress of Southpark, nothing done to remove chill, nothing done to correct mistakes and/or misrepresentations on the white papers (which I thought were supposed to be a company's best professional efforts in print), nothing to show good faith transparency, not very forthcoming with details on who & why did the 100 mil share payout & immediately following it, ceo steps down w/o explanation...so forth and so on..... If these things above are not factual, then sure seem like they are... and if they aren't negatives, I don't what is. Out of all those that have looked well at this play, investors or not, I don't believe there are many that continue to believe in the story and the hype.
If vplm is a pink, then why doesn't it have a "pk" suffix?
If vplm is a pink sheet, then why has it 'chosen', after all this time, if as good a company as they claim to be, to stay pink (non reporting) vs going "otc"?
Didn't Sawyer promise to get the ball rolling towards upgrading the listing? What happened to that?
Didn't Sawyer promise to" soon" provide an update on the progress of Southbank? What happened to that?
I think Sawyer said the goal is to make monetization happen by end of year & that all would be very pleased. Only couple weeks left.. Based on past performance, can't help but doubt it.
Yes beer, pretty sure that is the same candy. I've seen same pic before associated w/him + the company associations look familiar. My guess is he is the reason for the Aussie Southbank deal.
Many letters should have been sent out by now, ya think? But company is too secretive to even provide a simple basic update about it. We're not worthy... We're not worthy...
6 mos steady price decline. No one in the world apparently, talks about the patents, or seems to care at all, outside of this msg board & the BOD, and that is after quite a long time since vplm took over (and the patent applications were always available for interested parties, even before becoming approved..). The only interest in such purported industry disruptive technology, in 3 yrs, was a report by the BOD of serious interest by f500's, but later told us that was a lie & the purported "written offer" a while back, which were told was to small to accept. That's it, nothing else. And if everything along those lines is so tight lipped due to nda's, then why was it ok to tell us about the written offer? I've always said, they are free to keep us informed without being too specific or breaching NDA's. But in retrospect, everytime they have told us something positive is happening, such as interested parties, written offers, the Southbank deal w/a buyer it was going to sell to, telling us they're gonna up list from pink, etc etc etc, what ALWAYS has happened, is later on were told it was a mistake or a lie or it just falls by the wayside. And then, a couple days after reporting a bad 100 mil share payout, Sawyer steps down, the stellar, iconic figure he is, without any reason to us other than "for prsnl". And all the big dog voip companies, who not only stand to risk losing so much in infringement, licensing & legal costs, but when you think about it, that is an inevitability, not just a possibility risk, according to the concept that the company will eventually be sold for its industry disruptive patents. Because when that happens, the buyer will have the money to litigate, so it's inevitable. And yet, considering that OBVIOUS inevitability, if it truly is, after approx 3-4 yrs of the technology being available to do all the DD, none of the big dogs has apparently made any such move and are obviously more than willing (hmmm? ) to take said risk. There is an obvious STORY to that picture of things & not too hard to decipher. Pass the kool-aid, yippee, "not if, but when", we're all gonna _ _ _ !
"It's not a matter of if, but when and how much"
Based on all real indications, that would be sometime around 2028, for about eleventeen dollars.
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I think Inn the meantime vplm should send it's next letter (probably already sent scores, no?) to Alon Cohen. Better yet, they should initiate the 1st infringement lawsuit against his phone company. After all Alon invented voip & has a very successful voip company in operation, so surely they would be a most apropos litigant.
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In the meantime (it takes time..), if vplm began an upscale lemonade stand (ala "if you got lemons, make lemonade") outside their palatial Wash. offices, (maybe their friends at USPTO can help them with a side patent on 'super lemons' & maybe make a call for them to get them a permit), they could have GAURANTEED more income on the 1st day of operation, than in the history of vplm. (something to sneeze at, write home about & better even than the guarantee of "not if but when & how much). Heck, at the present rate, in less than a year, it might make more sense to use the patent certs & the stock certs as cutesy labels for the lemonade glasses, or a banner logo. I bet at the very least, the sales could pay the cost of the vplm offices. That is not a joke. It is true. In fact, IF they were smart businessmen, the could make the rent in one day, while their years long efforts at a voip phone company and/or the sale of the ruling king of voip itself, could not pay for one glass of lemonade (not counting profits made so far on the real trick..the selling if stock). In any event, VPLM (voip-pal lemon maker) is losing money every day they wait to setup the stand because lemonade is a proven product loved & well known by almost all.
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just saying..
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P.S. I sent an letter to the SEC asking them what they think about the notion of "not if but when & for how much". I hole they send a reply in a timely manner because it would make me feel a little better if they let me know it's a reasonable idea, for a pink sheet, with no money, income or known offer & non proven products for sale for the 1st time ever. I reminded them, the patents are foundational to the continued operation of the current & future of communications, VoIP. I can't wait ("baited" breath) for their reply & I'll post it as soon as I get it.
Good questions. Did you get any answer yet? (stockholders signing NDA's in order to get info from company, not otherwise released...???...sounds crazy to me...is that even 'DONE'?)
True, but when someone states that they "know for a fact", something is or isn't true, but fail to provide the basis necessary to call it "fact", at least it goes to show if someone's supposed facts are credible or not. You're right that not every question can be answered, but when it is asked & the reply is labeled as known fact, without the details, rather than serve to bolster the stock, it ironically serves to erode, overall, the faith in it, regardless of it being admitted to or not. Like you said, for you, the preponderance of negative, leaves you with your overall belief going fwd.
I call on the statement of "I know it to be a fact" to be validated w/the same info that deems it as "fact", by whoever says it, because are we not entitled to know the same info, unless it is inside info?...or to be retracted.. (I'll hold my breath..)
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And by the way, in my opinion, the real answer to this question is non trivial. It's actually quite KEY! and props to the boldness of the askee..
Again, I would like to hear an explanation that relates to the specific language I pointed out below...not peripheral explanations having to do w/"secret information", et al.
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"(a) Novelty; Prior Art.— A person shall be entitled to a patent unless—
(1) the claimed invention was patented, described in a printed publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the public before the effective filing date of the claimed invention..."
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The language that concerns me, hopefully mistakenly, is:
"...in public use... " AND "...or otherwise available to the public
before... ... ..." (because THAT descriptor sounds broad enough to be interpreted as saying that such public use might include Skype, etc, use of whatever voip technology they used to facilitate their services.
And how many of those attorneys (5 or more firms?) are voip patent law experienced attorneys w/the ability to ascertain facts & figures about the only thing vplm has...the patents...so they maybe could put out some info to the other owners of this stock...us..., relating to the efficacy & value of said patents. I know, I know..."it takes time"....or...'it's all secret, behind NDA's...or....'they ain't obligated to tell us nuttin', lol, lol...'scuse me, may I have another cup of the purple, lol, lol...
"This board never issued those shares, so the blame would not be on them, that is why they are getting cancelled."
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I would like to know how he determined that? The only good info I ever saw relating to this is beer's 11/4/14 post #22756, which appears to me to pretty categorically reveal who issued what shares and when.. I notice also that no one seemed to pay much attention to that post... and how telling it was...to step down 2 days later. In my opinion this little debacle (kipping, chang, the emails, lol, lol) , has the potential to be to vplm, what Watergate was to Nixon. Also, the condescending smart guys who often talk like it is only them who do any DD, lol, also seem to be the 1st ones to ignore certain DD posted. I guess a matter of convenience...
"...that does not allow anybody – even police with search warrants – from accessing data stored on handheld devices..."
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This refers back to vplm LI patent.. which supposedly monitors real time voip conversations, sms & mms, not "data stored on handheld devices".
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If there is some actual indicator if some vplm/apple deal in works, link, not baseless rumor..
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I don't believe any system, encryption or otherwise, will ever be hack proof. It is the Internet. It is radios. If a call can be transmitted & rcvd, there will always be a way to intercept it.
Thx.. Maybe I just don't understand, but I don't see how your reply, which seems to relate mostly to secret information, relates to my concern about the "public use" language that I specified..
That being the case, can you say whether or not this would be of any concern:
35 U.S.C. 102(a)(1)
(a) Novelty; Prior Art.— A person shall be entitled to a patent unless—
(1) the claimed invention was patented, described in a printed publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the public before the effective filing date of the claimed invention...
The language that concerns me, hopefully mistakenly, is:
"...in public use... " AND "...or otherwise available to the public before... ... ..."