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Dude...what would happen to the pps if a pr came out stating that ropes and gray has just filed lawsuits on behalf of SFOR for patent infringement with 40 seperate entities. And than went on to list all 40 companies. That would be so sweet. I bet sfor would make it on all kinds of headlines. We probably would be on cnbc and kramer also lol. That would be a disruptive pr for the industry lol. That is alot of lawsuits outside of the seven we are currently sueing.
In all seriousness...what do peeps here believe the pps can soar to by 2019 (if no buyout by than). 25c, 50c or possibly even dollars? Try to be realistic. Just estimating. Tia.
"I didn't learn really anything that we didnt already know except for some confirmation".
If you can...please by pm or publicly. What exactly is it that we know and what was confirmed (just maybe a small bullet list).
Honestly that would give me more comfort if I knew what he confirmed and what you refered to as - what we already know. As of now SFOR is still listed on the pinksheets. I did not sell or flip a single share yet. But now im really in the green and getting tempted to. But if some of the things I think I know come to light, well the green account I am experiencing well suddenly turn into a very green tropical forest. Always believed there is alot of potential with SFOR but never was sure if it would ever be realized. Well I would really appreciate your response to my inquiry. Tia. Glta. Shalom.
Yes we got a large dod contract. But according to 4sleddog that is were we are getting our 25 thousand a month from ACS. If that is the case than it is already part of our past revenue and the last report was bad as far as revenue is concerned. 183 thousand dollars 3rd q revenue that is laughable. Is that what the huge deals are going to look like for us. Ten thousand here a thousand there five there. Am I not understanding something here. Tia.
The pps does not look like it is going to hold. I would love to see it close up today and close over .03 Friday. Does not look like it today. That new indicator i forget what it was called. Well lol it looks like it failed. Supposedly it worked 100 percent of the time. Well no longer it failed yesterday. Not 100 percent anymore. So much for that lol.
Come on dudes and dudets. Raise your bids. Better yet slap that ask hard. Make her run passed .03 and never ever come back under .03. Are we getting bought out tomorrow someone posted yesterday buyout happening in next 48 hours and told us to mark his post.
Where did people get the 8 billion dollar valuation. Well actually I know someone kind of hinted to the fact that he spoke with mr. Kay and he told him that he believes it is worth 8 billion. I don't remember who said it but he didnt sound believable like as if he was joking or something. Any one else hear mark say he valuates it at 8 billion dollars. Oh by the way how many shares were on the ask at .0295 just curious. Tia.
So is Mark kay about to release the Kraken. Wow what a huge day. I must admit that was a monster run for one day. Hope it continues. Mandrake1 you were right. It just about got to .025. Here is to it going passed the .03 mark and staying above it. Glta longs.
What is STI? Is this something new. Please dont tell me it is SFOR. You guys feel special refering to it as STI lol. Oh boy mandrake just said .02 tomorrow. He is my greatest indicator of where the price will be headed. He is always wrong 100 percent of the time.
In that case what was the point in hiring the two new marketing guys if it goes up by the same amount percentage wise. Also don't forget it was holiday season. Are you saying you believe they hired the two new guys just to have more expenses and maybe dilute.
Another weird close. Dont understand those who actually believe this will hit one dollar this year allow this to close way down in the last seconds of trading. There is actually someone on here that said it will spike as high as 40 cents in the next 2 weeks. If you believe that and that early in the next few weeks how can you allow the price to drop right at the close lol.
I did not get any response to my post about how do the longs on here feel the pps will react to the 10k given some specific senerios. There are some who said the revenue for the 10k will be around the 600 thousand mark yet those same people are predicting the pps will soar with the 10k coming out. So I dont understand the disconnect. If the 10k shows a revenue of 600 thousand dollars that means the revenue for the last quarter of 2016 will be well under 300 thousand dollars estimated around 250 or 260 thousand dollars. Which means the revenue increased form 3rd q to 4th q the same as it did from 2nd q to 3rd q percentage wise, which is good that its growing but none the less very low increase. And we all saw how pps dropped after the release of the 10q. So this time around for the revrnue to increase by that same percentage is alot worse than it was for the third quarter. Why you might ask. Well the third quarter they did not have the 2 new marketing gurus that the fourth quarter had also the third quarter was not part of the holidays season but the fourth was part of the holiday season. So for them to show that there was only 260 thousand dollars in revenue produced during the 4th quarter is simply in excusable, they at the very least should have been able to double the revenue from 3rd to 4th quarter given the 2 new marketing guys they hired plus it was a big shopping season. My prediction is that if the 10k shows 600 thousand dollars in revenue, on that same day that the 10k is released, before the close of trading you will see SFOR trading well under a penny. And than continueing the fall until .004 or the 10q of the first quarter of 2017. What makes some of you believe the pps will soar when according to your own revenue predictions of the 10k can only gaurentee that the pps is going to do the opposite and take a big dive until the 1st q results come out. Just saying...if the pps is to stay the same the 10k is going to have to show atleast revenues that exceed 700 thousand dollars. And if the price is to go up or soar there must be revenues of no less than 800 thousand dollars. And well over one million dollars for the pps to soar and leave these prices behind. This 10k will be all about revenue JUST WATCH. Longs and peeps waiting on the side are saying show me the money. Its all about numbers this time around. And only that will cause the pps to go up anything else down it goes just you all watch. We need to start going up by leeps and bounds quarter over quarter the revenue produced by SFOR is simply nothing as of 3rd quarter. Glta.
DARN...IT it started coming back up nicely and bam again back down it goes. Come on guys hit that freaking ask. Dont let it close down. Ugh my one post for the day.
I forget who...but one of you did a list on investor sentiment for the 10k that is about to come out. And it was for the entire years revenue. But I noticed that some of you gave numbers that didnt coincide with your predictions as to the pps after the 10k is released. For example many of you said it will be like 600 thousand and some a little less. And than I noticed in your posts that the same people were expecting the pps to soar after the 10k results some even as high as .05 to .10 cents. I want those investors to think about this a little. If for some chance, lets say the 10k comes out on April the 13th and at that time the pps is around the same amount it is now actually a lil more like .023. And the 10k hits the wires at 1pm. If the 10k shows results for revenue as you predicted I can say without a shadow of a doubt before the market closes (that is only three hours) the price will drop back to under a penny from .023. And in the following days it will either consolidate under one cent or continue at a slower rate until the next 10q results are in for the first quarter of this year that will be a month from the 10k release so by May the 20th the pps can very well be back to .006 or even .005. And this senerio is according to the results of the 10k that many longs on here predicted. My question is to those longs who predicted around the 600 thousand dollar mark for the entire year: Why would you predict that while at the same time say that the entire years revenue will be so low as under 600 thousand dollars when you know full well that if those are the results this will tank violently. That would make the fourth quarter revenue around 270 thousand dollars. The same growth as from 2nd q to 3rd q. We know what happened to the pps after that was released only this time around it will be faster and alot worse.
In order for this ticker to remain at around .02 pps we need 4th q revenue to exceed 300 thousand dollars. You have to take into account the normal growth from q to q also during the 4th q they had two new marketing guys join sfor so that should cause more growth from 3rd q to 4th q percentage wise and also it was the holiday season so based on those factors alone we should see no less than 100 percent increase in revenue during the 4th quarter as apposed to 3rd quarters. That would make forth quarter revenue be around 366 thousand dollars it cant be to much lower or the pps will tank. In order for the pps to jump sharply we will need 450 to 500 thousand dollar revenues for the fourth q. Just open to other longs opinion on here. Share how you think the pps will be influenced by the 10k release. Tia.
Come on guys dont let this end like this at .0172. Break through that .0188 or .019. Someone posted earlier he is going to take out the .019s. And someone else said he will help. Where you guys at lol. Glta. Wasted my one post for the day.
Why would Kay buy back stock between .03 and .05? Think about it he had the chance for months to buy back well under a penny. Im sorry but I just dont see kay doing a buyback for the sake of reducing the OS. If he was to announce a share buyback the pps would immediately begin to rise. And if he wanted to make a difference on the OS he would have to bring the OS back down to atleast 1.8 billion shares outstanding or else it would be pointless to waste money and still have the OS at over 2 billion shares. So he would have to buyback well over 500 million shares and retire them. Can you imagine him unnouncing that and than actually buyback 500 million shares by the time he got done buying his last shares of that 500 million he would easily be paying well over a dollar a share that basically means his last 20 million share purchase would cost him over 20 million dollars plus the other 480 million shares. He would never spend that kind of money to buyback shares. And if he only bought back 300 million the OS would still be over 2 billion so that would just be a waste of the companies money.
If he really said the company is worth 8 billion dollars than within the next 2 years we shouls easily be worth 2 to 3 billion dollars. That is over a dollar per share. At that point he can do a small reverse split and bring the OS to well under a billion. And pps would correct itself and be well north 6 or 7 dollars a share trading on the Nasdaq. Jmho.
They didnt pay the debt off. They still owe atleast 7.5 million but im pretty sure its still over 9 million dollars. The 4.5 million was a farce from Mark Kay himself. Mark said they hope by the end of the year it will be down to 4.5 million dollars. And he said hope.
In the fourth quarter of last year or in this quarter. To be cashflow positive they need to show atleast 450 thousand in revenue. Remember last announced quarter was 3rd quarter of 2016 and it showed a very low number of only 183 thousand dollars total in revenue and 75 thousand out of that was from a contract deal with ACSso retail it was just barely over 100 hundred thousand dollars. Even tho it was in increase from previous quarters it was still very low. If this is going to go anywhere they need to grow by leaps and bounds quarter over quarter. Like every quarter they need to atleast grow over 100 percent. Any thing else is way to small. Around 400 thousand per quarter and they will start showing some profits. And become cash flow positive.
No manipulation here...you want to see the pps go past .02 cents. Slap the ask and slap it hard and you will see that there is absolutely no manipulation what so ever. Lets break .0166 today. Why wait until next week. Come on don't let yesterday be just a fluke. When is Mark Kay going to release the Kraken? Shalom
Someone here posted we will never see .01 again. Well today we hit .01. How wrong some on this board are lol. And that is one day after a pr. Where is .05 abazaba we got news should be higher than .05. You said prior to news.
Also what is up with an extra million added to the OS. What gives. Why did they dilute 1 million shares that is some straight up BS. The OS should only be decreasing never increasing not by one freaking share. Anyone ask Kay about why the increase in the OS. Tia
I don't understand this stock we got a pr and the ticker has been going down since not one up movement. Peeps have been saying +.02 without news well we got news so according to some here it should be heading to .05 atleast. Abazaba said .05 before news by march 31st. We got news so according to him we should be trading by now no less than .05 on the way to .10 cents lol. Yeah I know this wasn't the pr you were expecting. My response is what the heck was everyone expecting he said he will release the pr when all are filed. That means a pr about the new law suits lol. Oh yea a pr about a settlement is what you meant. Lol. Trust me a pr about any settlement will not come out until the earliest time of summer of 2018 not one day earlier maybe 2019 but not this year. Remember I said this last year when everyone was touting settlement before the new year. Now the first quarter of the new year is just about over and nothing has come to fruition. No settlement until atleast June of 2018. Also back in October of 2016 he said emphatically no where near a settlement could take 1 to 3 years. He also said but look out for news on huge contracts any day or week possibly months now lol. Its been many months since than and no contracts what so ever. Remember he said could be any day or week now but he cant say with certainty now its over five months since he said that. Well days or weeks is one thing but 24 weeks still no pr on contracts. That tells me there probably will never be any contract lol.
So if he said any day now about contracts and it's been five months and still no contracts. What do you think will happen with settlements when he clearly said 1 to 3 years for settlements will it take ten years lol. Remember in that awesome youtube video he put out he gave us no hope about settlements any time soon. But he did make us assume that huge contracts were almost done and ready for pr. And now still no contracts or any hint of it. I only post facts no speculation on my part. Everything I said is true take it for what its worth. Once again I own a ton of shares so like always I hope im wrong or that the company turns around truly. Alot of potential here with SFOR but just don't like what management is doing. Glta
For the love of...we are not getting settlement news this week ugh. Can we stop with settlement talks. But I would like to know where they are getting the money from to start 4 new law suits. Anyone check what the current OS is as of close Friday. I hope it isn't going to be by way of huge dilution. They have been doing great as far as not diluting but they need money now so i hope they are getting money some other way minus dilution or some new dept. We got a pr and stock price is still the same man prs never move this ticker. Are we ever going to get a real pr with huge good news. I don't see that ever happening. Glta.
Man I dont like this pr came out today and we are going to close red. Next pr wont be out until April.
Yes it is true the settlement with microsoft did cause and give sfor the wind beneath it's wings it gave us a fighting chance. But that settlement was far worse than just weak it was a horrible settlement for us not for msft. I would not refer to that ridicules settlement as taking down goliath (msft) lol. They took us down hard. It is more like msft kicking a little pebble out of it's way that's about it. Remember everyone they are now rightfully using our product and making a billions and we are getting nothing else for that lisencing agreement. We already got a lumpsum and per Mark it was included in the settlement of 9.7 million dollars. And if you don't believe Mark well just look at the last Q that came out. It was for the third quarter of 2016 well after the settlement. And it clearly showed 183 thousand dollars in revenue. Those numbers would be bad even if target online was our only source of marketing/outlet I would still have expected more for third quarter of 2016 than 183 thousand dollars. Im long here believe there is huge potential here but now that we are out of the pressure cooker like we were in last year. I hope management brings forth alot lot lot better results from our current law suits whether by settlement or in court. Glta longs.
Lets try to use information that is relevant to SFOR now. That was from 2006 11 years old. Lets not scare potentially new investors with old news. Dismiss anything prior 2016 pointless. Last reported Q showed 183 thousand dollars in revenue so pointless to show things that didn't help us one bit lol. My one post for the day.
Hey ababzaba...are you still holding to your prediction of .05 cents by march 31st. You were pretty sure about it a little over a week ago.
Im back...lol wow two beautiful days here have not sold one share since I bought, back in late may of last year at .0012. How high are we going to see this go. Is there a chance we make a new 52 week high.
What about walmart and i remember seeing them sold by another name on atleast two other websites also. Those count also, do they not.
Wow alot of selling what gives. Please can someone give the latest OS count per TA as of market close yesterday. This is wierd why would anyone sell right now.
Hey daytrader. What was that email about. The one you posted on here. Give me the link to that post. Much appreciated.
Ok...can someone please post the latest OS count possible per the TA please. Tia. My only message for the day.
I do not have L2. I repeat i do not have L2. I got home from work and looked at SFOR's chart for today. And between 2 and 2:30 i notice a huge blue line for volume it appears there was a huge ask slap of 5 million shares just huge compared to the rest of the trading day. Yet we closed lower. After a buy like that i would have to assume the price would really start to move upwards but it didnt budge. Something smells a little like possible dilution.
Now i ask can someone post the latest OS count as of today or atleast as of close on friday September 30th. I only ask this because last week there was confirmed dilution not alot but none the less still dilution. It went up by 2 to 3 million shares. Nothing to worry about so long as it stays that way.
Ummm this is my only post of the day so i will not be able to respond to anyone trying to convince me otherwise. I have been watching this ticker for about eight months and have been a shareholder for a little over four months. Im very bullish on this ticker and ive done my share of DD. So please save it. I just want to know what is the latest possible OS count per TA only.
Just fyi the last 10q said lol forgot the number but ended with 007 lol. Now as of last week the OS is over two million shares higher. I did the calculation with the exact number but im older in age so i forget things faster. Please someone post the latest OS. Tia.
Does not matter about the AS the OS is what matters. And the OS has not increased in the past six months.
Now i said that to say this. I did not like the trading action that occurred between 2:30 and 3:30. The volume increased drastically and it appeared there were more retail buys than sells. Even tho peeps where trying to buy we just could not break the .013 mark and boom right back down to .011. Every single time without exception when trading like that occurred in the past (not with this ticker any other ticker i traded in past) there was dilution. Im not saying that is what happened here but in the past eight years that i have been watching trading pinksheets WITHOUT EXCEPTION it was always dilution.
Now can someone please post the latest OS count as per the TA. I didnt like the fact that there was no dilution here in six months and yesterday for the first time the OS was increased by a little more than 2 million shares that means dilution. And today seemed like alot more of it. I could be wrong hope i am wrong. But none the less TA will easily let us know. Not trying to cause fear just want to know as i am very very bullish on this stock for the past four months have not sold or flipped a single share. But yesterday's increase in the OS out of no where really startled me.
Can you post the freaking link already...to the post with the email you posted. Thousand posts on here cant find geeesh.
Hey zpaul you or someone that has been calling the TA can you please post the latest OS as of close yesterday or if possible as of today. Tia. I don't trust helters email post. But it is still in pinky land so anything is possible. Tia.
True in Pennyland this is true. All are about hype and releasing prs to pump and than dump. 99% of them are scams and i made money off those scams. But thats the difference here. This is that one company that is not a scam. You asked what have they done. Well to start off they settled with msft and won 9.7 million dollars law suit and that is only part of the settlement the rest is in NDA. And when they finaly disclose it to the public im sure that it will be more impressive than the ten million dollars they received from that lawsuit. But for now they have no more toxic dept thus no dilution which has been proven time and time again.
So them winning the lawsuit proves it is not a scam. And shows they have cash on hand to run operations thus no need for dilution. Also there was no dilution here for over five months now which is the first thing i always look for when investing in a penny stock. Whether the TA is gagged or not and if there is dilution. Now there are law suits against three more infringers where the lawyers are working on contingency. That tells me alot about what they believe the outcome will be. And these lawsuits are for alot more than what they got from msft as far as a monetary settlement. And thats three not just one. This here now is way undervalued and it was undervalued yesterday at the peak of the day when it hit .025. Now there is a correction going on profit takers and shorties trying to push the price down but it will not stay for long it will soon skyrocket upwards like no one has seen for a while.
Well thats about all i have to say for now but remember there are other catalyst that are pushing this upward and will cause the price to skyrocket, other than just the lawsuits. But I'll let others explain those they do a much better job at communicating what is going on with that part of this ticker. Glty in what ever you choose to do.
Man i expected a pull back but geesh. First i expected the pullback yesterday. But definitely didn't expect it today of all days not after yesterday's debate were they talked about cyber security today i expected a huge run and maybe tomorrow a dump but not this big of a dump good god. Anyone no what the OS is. Tomorrow need to call TA and find out what the OS was at the end of today's trading day.
Have a question for those who speak to Mark on more than one occasion. Why would he want to be the QB why not try to get on the OTCQX the highest tier.just wondering. Tia.
What you mean. Im the one that said if we got 300 million dollars from each which would make it a total of 900 million dollars almost 1 billion dollars that wouldn't be asking for to much. It probably will not happen but it would not be unreasonable.
I have a question. Is the otcqb better than the otcbb. And what is the highest tier on the otc outside of nasdaq. Tia.
Whaaaaaaaat. Kaaaaahhhbbbbooooooooom. That looked like an explosion. This is a catastrophic event for those that shorted or flipped for some beer money lol. Im simply ecstatic. Just looked at the chart dang it went up .0033 in just one day. In the summer just to get from .0012 to .003 took almost three weeks lol now we did it in one day. Thank you Jesus my Lord.
But i said way back in june when i believe i purchased my shares that this was way way way undervalued and that back then we should have been trading over a cent. Well now we are.
But this in my eye's is still undervalued in respect to the revs that we are earning and the many other catalyst we have going. I believe we are almost at the value we should be with respect to just winning the ten million dollar law suit against msft. Now we have no convertible notes no toxic dept what so ever and over a million dollars cash. Not to mention no dilution. I think we should be trading between the 3 and 5 cent range just based on what happened and potential alone.
Once any one of those eight catalysts hit its off to the races easy ten cents if all three settle between just 20 to 30 million each a total of 60 to 90 million dollars. We are never trading under fifteen cents again. Only up from there. Congratulations to all longs. I purchased all my shares at .0009 and .0012. I hit the ten bagger today. I believe i will hit twenty than thirty and even a hundred bagger with ease once those events begin to materialize. God Bless all of you with wisdom to know and do good with your money cause i know some of you hit the lotto here already. Shalom.
Agent are you serious about that. 30 million dollars is a little to high. Thats a total of 90 million from all three. Um i know they probably will not settle for this amount but im telling you that a 300 million dollar settlement from each one is not to high. Thats near 1 billion dollars from all three together, this figure (just being truthful) is not to high could be even more. Am i saying they will get that most likely no. But 30 million from each one is more than fair for them not us.
They sell security thats what they do for yrs and yrs have infringing and we were barely surviving. I mean you can say they were literaly selling our product without us seeing anything from it. And we were being reverse splitted into oblivion just to make it. Its time to pay up.
Wow that is your plan. Thank God you are not the one running this ticker we would be at .0001 with a no bid.
First if they win 15 million from each one that would be extremely low i would be disappointed at best. But lets assume thats what they get 45 million and with 15 million going to there team at the law firm (atleast 15 million) they keep 30 million. I would advise them to first pay off that 9 million dollar dept that is asset backed than no one can ever try to shout toxic dept because we will literaly have no dept. Than i would put atleast ten million dollars towards more advertisement and i mean a real commercial a national commercial that airs not only on one channel but the main tv networks. Then you will make your money back and then some in one quarter of the fiscal year and that is not even considering huge government contracts but just revs from retail buying. And the rest to running the business. And paying those hefty salaries cause you know they are hefty.
And no more talk about this mumbo jumbo buying back shares. This os is 2.3 billion shares in order to make a difference you have to get the OS down to atleast under 2 billion shares. So they would have to dedicate enough funds to buy back a good 500 million shares. Now you do the math what happens here when people buy shares and not to many willing to sell price rockets up. So we are now around .006 if they announce in the next three weeks all three settlements with each being 15 million or higher at that time no one will be able to get one share for less than .015 or .02. But hold on it could be higher.
So than in order for them to start a share buyback program they would have to file probably also give a pr. Now what do you suppose will happen when investors find out they are going to buy back 500 million shares. No one in his right mind would separate from his shares until atleast .05. Once they actually start buying back price will start to rise because these shares will be locked up. Imagine one entity buying 500 million shares and then retiring them. So just from basic logic they would need alot more than the 45 million from the example to buy back those shares. And to shrink the os buy 50 or even a 100 million shares is kind of point less there are much better things to do with those funds.
Now dont get me wrong i would love for them to do a share buy back of 500 million shares but only if they buyback ten percent after they announce wink wink. Lol.
There opportunity has almost disappeared to do a buyback but hmmm i wonder this sure hung around the .001 area for a long time and than again the .003 to .0045 area also. I would have bought back a ton for very cheap had a while to do it slowly. I recall we had a day not so long ago where we traded 300+ million shares wow alot of cheap shares were purchased that day lol. Well enough speculation this is all just my .02 cents. Glta.
They had until yesterday to file. What happened no one filed anything. What is this some kind of joke. Just another thing that is starting to make this ticker look not so attractive any more. No commercial no products in staple stores what is going on with that meaning the staples store.
And now no filing...everyone was waiting for today big things were suppose to happen today with the two filings. Man this is starting to crumble and breakdown right before our eye's. Still long here but it appears that the price is going to slowly start tumbling with no news this week. I have one question that just suddenly dawned on me like one or two weeks ago. If this is golden and going to be such a huge success who would know that most but Mark Kay himself. So if this is golden why does he not own millions upon millions of common shares here hmmm. That is something we should all ponder. I am still very bullish on this on a count of no dilution. And still much potential here. But once dilution kicks back in im out. Hope that is not the case. Glta.