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Maybe take that up with Hamas?
So that’s 9 hospitals not 0, as you stated
In comparison, Amman has 20 hospitals for 4.3 million people
Iran has been trying to destroy Israel for decades through its proxies and there’s no reason to think that will change
Obviously they think it’s their duty . And I think it’s your duty to explain what you mean
I don’t think that’s true, link please.
As I wrote previously, my father was drafted out of MIT to work on it. He lived to a ripe old age and spent his last couple of decades deeply remorseful.
My opinion is that some people think it was necessary and some don’t. According to McNamara, we had already firebombed a lot of the big cities in Japan, in which the buildings were mostly constructed of wood, so the A-bombs weren’t necessary.
My opinion is also that a lot of kids and women and medical aid workers were killed by them much like you know where, now
It’s strange that Japan never really held it against us. Also, 17 years after Germany surrendered, JFK gave his “Ich bin ein Berliner” speech so I guess the trauma of war is easily forgotten
And your point is?
Let me guess, nothing, as usual
Dude, it's McNamara's opinion, not mine.
100%. My point has only ever been that it shouldn't be judged on a double standard, like it is on this board, for the most part.
It's possible although I don't know why it would go unmentioned. And the Israeli protests are similar to the Palestinians protests that Hamas has destroyed their society, or maybe not. Do you note that Israelis can protest their government and it's fine, but protesting in Gaza or Iran or Lebanon will get you jailed if you're lucky?
I read recently that before this war, there were 21 hospitals in Gaza. Do a per capita comparison with other Middle Eastern countries and then let's talk about who has been living in an open prison.
I've read this and similar stuff, not saying at all that these killings are not wrong, but here's a challenge:
List a couple of wars that were fought according to the rules, with no war crimes and no massacres of innocent civilians, and I mean they can have been fought any time, ever.
I''m waiting.
War is a war crime, period. How crazy is it to expect that you can start one then complain when it gets out of control. It always does, that's the nature of war.
Didn't Einstein write that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? That's why rational actors don't start wars.
Errol Morris' documentary, Fog of War, ever seen it? Robert McNamara, of all people, is on camera stating that the dropping of the atomic bombs on Japan was unnecessary, that the war was already won. Or is the starting line for egregious war activities on 10/8/2023?
And you must have problems with reading comprehension or have short term memory loss. How many times do I have to write that I think Netanyahu and the WB settlers belong in jail and why are you pretending I didn't? The basis for those posts is empathy, duh, did that go over your head?
As I just responded to someone else, history isn't dead. There's a reason that African countries aren't standing with the EU in the fight against Russian aggression and that's because Europeans fucked up their countries and, so far, it's a forever situation.
Read about the original Holocaust perpetuated by Germany in German East Africa and then let us know how much time had to elapse until it was ok to make believe it didn't happen and why no accountability was ever necessary.
It's all good in your book until Israel does it. Not letting you off the hook, you're complicit.
No, but how about the Indians that were driven from the land you live on? I forget, are you the guy who owns pieces of oil wells on land stolen from Osages? Someone here is.
Where do you draw the line, historically, that it was cool until the Israelis do it? What's the statute of limitations for colonialist era crimes? Why do they speak French in Mali? The Congolese loved them some Belgians and who needs natural resources, anyway.
Did you ever stop to think about why African countries are not standing with the EU in the fight against Russian aggression. Probably not, but it makes sense, history isn't in the past, dude.
You want to make believe it's just starting now and it's only being done by Israelis? Fine, as long as you know it's make believe. Armenia is currently occupying part of Azerbaijan, please link to some of your posts that call out the Armenian government.
You're like the guy who participated in napalming Vietnam but now wants to criticize how this war is being waged, that war crimes are being committed.
https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/land/how-was-aboriginal-land-ownership-lost-to-invaders
https://thefunambulist.net/magazine/reparations/stolen-children-stolen-wages-stolen-land-stolen-wealth-reparations-for-aboriginal-australia-by-amy-mcquire
https://vervesuper.com.au/change/stolen-wages-the-multi-generational-financial-abuse-of-indigenous-australians/
“NAIDOC is a week to celebrate our culture, land, community, and recognise the continuous efforts to thrive and survive in the face of 233 years of genocide.”
But look over there! At Israel! Don’t look at what we’re doing. Fucking Zionists must be in Australia too!
I don’t defend land grabs anywhere. My point is that you have zero moral authority and if you had any decency, you’d admit you live in an apartheid country and on stolen lands. By your own standards, you’re a Zionist
So, if these countries were justified in invading Afghanistan because a gang of terrorists from there attacked America then Israel is justified in doing the same thing in Gaza for the same reason, correct?
Why was Australia still fighting there years after OBL was killed in Pakistan?
And Bush invaded Iraq. Two freakin gangs that didn’t know their elbows from a door knob
And the attack in NYC justified Australia committing war crimes in Afghanistan how?
bin Laden was killed in Pakistan in 2011. Australia did a military operation in Afghanistan callled Operation Highland in 2015-2021. What did that have to do with bin Laden?
And if they were justified in committing war crimes in the search for OBL, what is your problem with Israel committing war crimes in the search for hostages
War, itself, is a war crime. If you don’t want one, don’t start one
https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parliamentary_Library/pubs/BriefingBook47p/BreretonReport
Two wrongs don’t make a right but who the fuck are you to be on a moral high horse, to criticize the way other countries fight wars they didn’t start?
Afghanistan had nothing to do with Australia. No Talibans attacked your country. How about you clean up your own mess at home?
https://www.amnesty.org/en/location/asia-and-the-pacific/south-east-asia-and-the-pacific/australia/report-australia/#:~:text=Australia%202023,asylum%20seekers%20was%20found%20unlawful.
Apartheid much?
Give an example please.
To you, advocating for Israel’s right to exist is stupid shit. Your lack of awareness is comprehensive.
Now go back to abusing some Aborigines. So many people on this board pointing their self righteous fingers at Israel when they should be pointing at themselves
Australia sent troops to Vietnam to help Americans slaughter Vietnamese but, fuck Israel, amirite?
Fuck the Americans being held hostage. Hamas rules!
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/australia-is-facing-a-reckoning-over-war-crimes-in-afghanistan-what-about-the-us/svodfqwtn
My hat is off to you.
You continue to perform at a Hall of Fame level in the Department of Writing Stupid Shit
As long as it floats your boat, whatever
It’s not a joke. We have his old uniform with the (very rare) sleeve patch showing an exploding A bomb mushroom cloud.
And all you did was napalm kids and bomb Laos. Really both sides of the same coin when you think about it. But Zionists bad! Keep saying that and maybe everyone will forget about your war crimes.
You’re way less informed than I originally thought. Go back to calling MAGAs names, that’s much more your speed
Ok, fair enough, I was under the impression that you thought Israel should be de-stated.
The point is, one of them, that in the many, many pro-Israel rallies in this country, I've not read a report of any chanting of "death to the Palestinians" or "death to Muslims".
You've not previously asked my about my family's service. My father got pulled out of MIT to work on the development of the A-bomb. Is that service enough?
If you think Israel is an apartheid state, why are the signs there in Arabic as well as English and Hebrew. Do Arab Israelis have to ride separate buses or eat in separate restaurants? Do they have to go to separate hospitals? You seem to actually not know what apartheid is.
You’re funny.
I believe in Israel’s right to exist, you don’t. I believe Israel does some fucked up shit like every other country and should be chastised like every other country that does fucked up shit.
You seem to believe this is some unique situation and that just shows you’re not paying attention. Why you get so worked up about this and not, say, the fucked up shit that Saudia Arabia is doing, both at home and in Yemen, is a mystery you can’t or won’t explain. How they treating our Christian bros in Iran?
Socrates: when the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser
An openly gay rabbi writes in today's NY Times (in part):
"In January I joined a pro-Palestinian protest in New York City’s Union Square, where about a dozen protesters, clad in rainbow flags, shifted their chants from blaming Israel to “Kill the Jews.” Some in the crowd shrugged, some objected, but it took time before the chant changed. "
I'm sure they meant just pro-Zionist Jews, you would get special dispensation, no doubt..
You have the ability to distinguish anti-Zionism from anti-semitism, but most people aren't as smart and analytically deft as you are. Your unwillingness to acknowledge this abets this situation.
Who's the genocidal scum now?
Recently, I was thinking about the article you posted from The Intercept a while back that tried to create doubt about women being raped on 10/7 because, they said, one of their two reasons, that the women didn't go to rape crisis centers after the alleged attacks.
And I realized, by that logic, all Trump's lawyers would have had to do was put Jean Carroll on the stand and establish that since she, also, hadn't sought counsel from a rape crisis center, that the attack never occurred. Case closed.
Do you have any filters at all about what you won't believe about how horrible Israel is?
From today's NY Times:
"Two months ago, world leaders gathered in Paris and said all the right words about the horror unfolding in Sudan, where a vicious civil war has stolen the dreams of a proud and resilient people, leaving 5 million people on the brink of famine.
“Sudan has become one of the world’s largest — and most ignored — man-made human tragedies,” my friend Tjada D’Oyen McKenna, chief executive officer of Mercy Corps, wrote me recently."
Surely this situation has been caused or is being exacerbated by white colonialist Zionists backed by AIPAC. I don't know about you guys, but it's clearly time to disrupt college campuses and create some mayhem to protest more Zionist imperialism. What colors are the Sudanese keffiyehs? And, if by some small chance, it's not Zionists, then, just never mind, it's cool to keep ignoring it.
Did you actually read this?
"It was unclear whether some of the property sales being promoted at the event were in disputed territory that could make them illegal under international law."
You'd think the protestors might want to make sure the property is in disputed territory before they brought the violence, eh? You don't care that much, just more ammo against Israel, however questionable. I mean, how can you not be embarrassed to post this shite, what are your sources that prove your point? The Intercept?
Meanwhile, I also heard that in Beijing, some Chinese people thinking about emigrating to America were told where various neighborhoods in cities referred to as "Chinatown" are, that they might feel more comfortable there. And, please, let's not forget the West Indians coming to NYC who want to live in a West Indian majority neighborhood. Genocidal scum, all of them!
I don't know if you've ever been to Israel, but if I were going to emigrate there, I would l appreciate being steered away from the ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods in Jerusalem, and, probably, Haifa, in general. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".
Yup, it has nothing to do with Hamas keeping hostages, hiding them and their fighters in people’s homes and refugee camps and refusing ceasefire deals. It’s strictly all Israel’s fault & the leader of Hamas thanks you.
You tell us, what should Israel do? Surrender to Hamas?
Civilians have been brutally murdered in every war since wars began. You seem to be of the opinion that this one should be different, maybe conducted in accordance with some sort of Emily Post set of war etiquette rules.
War is hell. If you don’t want a fucking war don’t start one
And why was there, just yesterday, a pro-Palestinian demonstration blocking the entrance to a synagogue in Los Angeles?
Don’t American Jews go there? What does it have to do with Israel?
For a while, Los Angeles was called Teherangeles because of the large number of Persian Jews who fled there when the Shah was deposed ( not that anyone is calling Iran an apartheid state) So maybe this was just a Sunni vs Shia thing?
Again, have you seen any pro-Ukrainian demonstrations outside Russian Orthodox churches anywhere?
A little while ago, the Maldives became one of the 8, or so, countries who decided to block holders of Israeli passports from entering their country:
https://apnews.com/article/maldives-israel-gaza-war-71d3b17d46dbcf9c06ba6c642763f36d
But, then, within a week or two, they realized / remembered / discovered that a couple million Muslim and Christian Arabs hold Israeli passports, too, so they rescinded the ban.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-806669
Because, I guess, it's just the Israeli Jews they don't want befouling their country.
And this is the crux of the problem. While you educated / overeducated sorts honestly believe you can separate anti-Zionism from anti-Semitism (I have no argument with that), the mistake you make is to ascribe the ability to understand that distinction to the general population. And that's where you're wrong. Most of the people in the world don't make that distinction, or can't, which is exactly why hate crimes against non-Israeli Jews has skyrocketed since this war began.
I mean, Trump was elected, right? You give people too much credit.
Your hypocrisy is showing. You, personally advocate for the elimination of the state of Israel because of the bad actors in its government and general population. I don't question that there are a lot of bad actors, it's well documented, but do you also advocate for the elimination of Syria because of its murderous government? Surely you believe that Sudan should suffer the same fate. And let's not forget Haiti. North Korea get a pass from you on this?
Why only Israel? That's the question that you are unwilling or unable to answer. Oh, that's right, your tax dollars.... (which would be sort of funny if it weren't for its lack of awareness)
Anyway, what's your point? Everyone here but me already hates Israel, so why keep posting the same stuff, by different authors, over and over? I'm a fan of Bergman, read one of his books, but you are taking his reporting out of context to buttress a case he isn't advocating.
From today's NY Times, raises the question of how civilians are defined:
"They have also seen the videos of scores of people in civilian clothes looting and attacking residents of the rural Israeli villages during the Hamas raids."
"A few survivors said they recognized Gazans they had previously employed among the infiltrators. Videos showed some crowds jeering at and abusing hostages as they were paraded through Gaza on Oct. 7."
And some historical context, from around the internets:
"The U.S. post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Yemen, Syria, and Pakistan have taken a tremendous human toll on those countries. As of September 2021, an estimated 432,093 civilians in these countries have died violent deaths as a result of the wars. As of May 2023, an estimated 3.6-3.8 million people have died indirectly in post-9/11 war zones."
https://press.un.org/en/2022/sc14904.doc.htm (before this war)
"The concept of the civilian in wartime as a legal category is fairly new, but the problem is far older. Noncombatants have been a target of organized violence throughout history, with records of mass killing and the systematic destruction of infrastructure dating to the earliest written descriptions of armed conflict."
So, the question is why is Israel called out for genocide in this particular war? And the answer is, Israel.
NYC is a city of neighborhoods. As I mentioned before, there's a large Russian immigrant population here in one neighborhood, Orthodox Jews in another, Koreans somewhere else, Chinese have theirs (2), West Indians over there, Germans used to have one but it's been thinned out, Puerto Ricans, Ukrainian area, Irish, Indian neighborhood, Central American, Greeks, and on and on - there's a reason they just had the world cricket championship here.
And of course, the 1%ers who are buying up all the real estate and jacking up rents, they're everywhere. I"d venture a guess that the middle class has almost entirely been driven out of Manhattan by this time. You get used to stuff, when we were in London a couple of years ago, I couldn't believe how crowded it seemed, and that's through my NYC lens.
Anyway, to each their own, some love it here, some don't. I grew up in a small town and after college decided to come here as an adventure. No job, just a couple of college friends around. Met my wife here, raised kids here, started and ran my business here and the next thing I knew it was 50 years later
We started out in Manhattan, E. and W. Village, and for the last 35 years have lived in Brooklyn.
Yes, City College and mass transit combined to create a large portion of post WWII middle class in this area. Immigrant kids got a chance to get ahead and a lot of them did.
People in that era were able to attend CCNY for free, I think, and get there by subway, which back then was about 5 cents. People in suburban and rural areas needed a car to get to a college so the odds were disproportionately stacked against them. Even if state or community colleges were free, you'd need to afford a car.
Opportunity access, alone, should have had other parts of the country beefing up mass transit, like crazy, but it wasn't to be. I don't know if it was the cost of building the interstates or fossil fuel companies lobbying, or short sightedness, whatever, but we really messed up on that one. Look at a list of notable CCNY alums from that era, they, literally, changed the world. An incredibly good education for free.
See, stupid, I couldn't have made the point better.
And in our time off from making you bagels, maybe we'll win a few more Nobel Prizes, too.
You ever figure out what Generative Fill is, Mr. Photographer?
No, you're a moron because you're stupid.
Yowzah, boss, we's gonna keep making dem good bagels.
You're a moron, seriously, but I guess that's not exactly news to you.
Maybe if generations of your family had been exterminated for the crime of existing, you might understand. I'll bet you have a real problem with those uppity black people and Indians who won't stay on the rez, too. Hate Juneteenth much?
Again, please inform, based on your research, where the 100's of thousands of Jews who were expelled or forced to leave other countries in the Middle East were supposed to have gone. Do you even know there are Kurdish Jews who were kicked out of Iraq, Syria, Turkey, wherever, and not just a few.
For all your bluster, you're actually more MAGA than most.
When I was working in Manhattan, until Covid, I used to love the fact that I could go to the Yemeni deli to get coffee in the morning, or if they were too busy I could go to the coffee cart, across the street, run by a couple of Egyptian guys, who loved me because I once mentioned that I'm a fan of Umm Kulthum. Or to the other coffee cart, run by a Mexican family.
For lunch there were numerous places in the vicinity - Italian, Japanese, Chinese, Burmese, Israeli, Albanian, Georgian, Indian, all reasonably priced.. A lot of them have been pushed out by high rents, but there are still a surprisingly large number remaining.
It's a melting pot , in the best sense, and I feel truly fortunate to have been able to wind up living here for several decades.
And to think people actually pay to see a psychiatrist when all they have to do is listen to you.
I post articles and links to articles and you choose to insult me instead of responding to the writings I cite. Why is that? Is it because that's the best you can do, ad hominem attacks? Too lazy to look shit up and form your own ideas?
Meanwhile, you have not posted a single factual rebuttal to my latest series of opinion piece references. I'm entitled to my opinion, even if you disagree with it. You're put out by me, why, because I believe in Israel's right to exist and that goes against the consensus on this board? Am I being too Jew-ey?
I don't attack unless I've been attacked and not sure why or how did you came to insert yourself in this dialogue, seemingly just to put me down. When people write that I'm "genocidal scum", here, often, do you also attack them for these same reasons? I didn't think so. If you don't like me or what I post, how about you just fuck off, that would work for me
ok, whatever, good luck, sorry to have engaged with you.
wow, maybe it's just me, but I don't see how this makes sense...."try thinking mankind, everyone has their own life and everyone gets to decide how to deal with it..."
what are you stating, that everyone gets to decide how to deal with their own life? white privilege anyone? like those women in Texas who get raped then can't get a legal abortion? or people who go bankrupt paying medical bills? why do you think there was a movement called Black Lives Matter?
It's hard to understand what your beef is with me, you don't make your case clearly. I posted some articles / links, some from foreign publications to broaden the context, you post insults in response. I don't deny your right to have different opinions, I'd like to understand why, but you seem extremely put out that mine don't align with yours.
You do understand that I, personally, did not write the articles in the DW and France24, right?
Oh look, it's Mister Blah Blah Blah weighing in with another insulting, nonsensical response that's completely off topic.
Ok, I'm the bad guy, a misfit, whatever. But what about the articles and references I posted? I guess thinking of ways to discredit me can take the place of thinking about actual topics in whatever's left of your mind. You think it's a hoax that girl was raped, that the numbers posted by France are more Zionist b.s.? That MOMA wasn't shut down for a day by pro-Pali demonstrators because 3 board members are Jewish?
Can you cite any references or provide any links to show they're alternative facts? That Jews in not-Israel aren't being attacked because of Zionism hatred?
p.s., I have no idea what your second sentence means. I checked with Google Translate and they have no option for a Gibberish>English translation.