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When you are swimming at these levels you can be positive or negative. Tell me what negative get's you but an upset stomach and high blood pressure? Positive vibes always returns a smile, and you avoid the whole indigestion thing. I am experiencing the same thing as everyone else, except it is, after all, ONLY MONEY! I am still having fun while those who are worrying through this are getting a slow ulcer. Not my style, folks. It is a beautiful day and I am looking for the big rebound!! Ha! Enjoy! R3
Just using a number, elcheepo. No hidden meaning intended, just a number for factoring. R3
The issue of dilution is one that is basically based upon two factors: 1. number of shares in the market and 2. how much in earnings is the company going to make.
Number 1 just really sucks! I wish we had 87,000,000 OS. And if you make $30 million, you have a lot more money ps. When the numbers of shares were relatively low I was much more confident about a $1 ps at year's end. Actually, that one would go well over $2 potentially. That has long since gone bye-bye.
If you take that $30 million, return $15 million to profit (that's probably high, but we will use it anyway) with 600,000,000 shares in the market, you can still see a sp of .30 with a pe ratio of 15. That is what dilution does and it ain't pretty. But I can live with .30 if that's where it goes. So, and one more time, Tivus, be an ORCA!!!!! R3 Fry Guppy
A1 is OK. Why are these prices holding so strong at this price? I really thought they might dive before now without news.
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Sometimes companies just don't have anything of value to post and they take our advice, and just say nothing. Sometimes company's just dilute to stay alive and it sucks. Sometimes all the things we think have little to do with reality. Duh! GLTA and stay humble. I still want to fly outside the scope of the known and bet on Tivus. No reason. I am just gambling, just like I did when I started into Tivus months ago. R3
Hey, what happened to Capt. Jake and A1? Gone fishing or have you guys grown skeptical about Tivu? Inquiring minds want to know! R3
The death of Steve Jobs should cause all of us to believe in the possibility of a dream. Kicked out of his job by Apple, he never stopped. He thought "different". He didn't let other people put his thinking into a box, but followed his own instincts. I guess we our all looking for that next out of the box thinker to build a dream around. You just can't build a dream out of "No!" You've got to risk. R3
It seems to me if this was based on expectant news, at the end of today the price of this stock would be well above .0015, only .0002 above the open. JMHO. R3
I try to be even handed, folks. There is no rhyme nor reason why Tivu would go up to any appreciable level right now without signed contracts. If this goes up, I think it is pressure with people expecting news. We have heard this song before, and nothing means anything until in ink from Host. Then, and only then, would I put any move upward be in the bank. Wish it wasn't so, but experience tells me otherwise. GLTA! R3
Well, Brian, when you get a commitment from a fortune 500 company THEY tell you when the contract is signed and done. YOU WAIT! They won't necessarily tell Tivus anything until THEY ARE READY.
Let me tell you a story. I negotiated a deal with EXXON for a retail property site in an urban setting. In between the time we went to close on that deal, we had to wait MONTHS, not weeks. And when we came to close, they still wanted to negotiate the sale to an option at the closing. Brian, please get real, dude. We will get this contract from Host when THEY decide to finish it, not because we want it. In the meantime, we have to get DT done. That takes MONEY, like it or not. It sucks for dilution sake, but it is what it is. Please believe me when I tell you that as bad as this dilution is (and it does suck!), when the contracts are signed you will still be way ahead on Tivus IMHO. It feels terrible waiting, but it is what it is: American business when a big guy is dealing with a little guy. GLTY, my friend. R3
Fairway, I guess it is natural that in a soap opera society all people can see when things get difficult are CONSPIRACIES!! Elvis, after all, is still alive, we never landed on the moon, and the grassy hill and the second shooter are still big play in our culture.
Tivus is just a struggling company with a good idea trying to get to the top. Nothing else. Maybe they aren't business geniuses, but neither are most of the investors on this website. They are trying and that is good enough for me, win, lose, or draw. R3
Brian, I've got you and I do understand. This isn't as much fun as getting the news we all want and expect to heart to boost the price of this stock. I have just found at my age that there is always a choice in dealing with these kinds of matters. If you can find the humorous side of defeat, it serves you better and keeps life on a par that isn't all doom and gloom and just makes things suck! But I do want you to know that I support your quest and share your concerns. I have many of them, too. I have just found that micro caps are gambling and I don't take it too seriously. It is, after all, only money, not my life. I know that is heresy in good old capitalistic America where greed rules, but I've been poor and it ain't that bad. Hell, I got a friend dying right now and I think he would love to be able to just read all this and laugh. Hang in there, my man, and don't give up. Maybe us optimistic types can help drag us all across the finish line. GLTY. R3
Brian, you want to make something sinister of Tivus and it's development. The fact is, you aren't offering anything yourself but the same old mantra in negativeland. Look, you made some bad moves and got your butt kicked. Just stand up and admit it, and move on. Your anger overwhelms your argument. Go on to something you can feel good about and you will be happier and filled with less stress. Remember, there are many good studies that show that about 90% of physical illness is mentally induced. Go to the beach and chill out. You will be happier. GLTY. R3
Brian, it takes money to do all you want done, and if they want to get money now, guess what? Yep! Dump more shares in the market.
I suggest you just let it play out. A contract or two and a smile should change the sp and the future.
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I guess therapy on this board may help, but generally I think that if and when a contract comes in, all will change in an instant. I hope that we can all say that sooner than later. But beyond that, this is a crap shoot. GLTA! R3
Jwez, you are right. Tell me one good thing that we can do by dumping on SP or Tivus? What will it change? Negative life, IMHO, brings negative life. Tivus is trying to do a big thing: tie up millions of dollars in contracts. I am betting they pull it off. Time will tell, but I am not wasting one minute of one day being negative about Tivus or their efforts. That doesn't mean I can't criticize them or offer advice, but that is a far cry from angry and hateful speech. So, let the party begin!! Go Tivus, be an ORCA!! R3 Fry Guppy
In pinky land, there are two predominate realities; one is an unscrupulous snake oil sales person who gets people into the business to fleece them. The second is a company with a good idea who don't have fortune 500 managers, but have great ideas to try to get to the market place. They both go up and down, but the second really does want the idea to succeed. I believe that Tivus is the second. Look, very few people have the skill set to be a genius in putting together tv systems and also are financial wizards. I guess I am just a little surprised at how naive some of our folks are about this company. Even if SP was a super star in all areas, this would be a squeeze. I am long because I hope that Tivus has a contract coming, and I am averaging down to get the most out of the pop when it is announced. For all the whiners, let's wise up and quit acting like spoiled kids. This is a crap shoot! If this company really does go, there are going to be some ridiculously rich people here. I don't think it will ever hit what I had hoped given current management, but I can still get along with less. I still hope Tivus becomes an ORCA. R3 Fry Guppy
Yak, in business there ain't no "for sure" until the contract is penned and the deal announced on both sides. I heard them say they want to do it, but I won't put it in the bank until it is done. Period! I still believe it will happen, but believing don't feed the bulldog! R3
BTW, IMHO forget about any 1$ returns by year's end. It would take all being positive, multiple contracts, a RS, and several other factors for that to happen. Right now, I think if Host jumps in I could see .15-.20 IF... R3
Like yellowdog, I've seen them explode up and down. If you leverage down, you have a better chance at these levels IF you believe at some point Tivu will get that Philly contract. Right now, .01-.03 looks like a real winner and still very possible IF Tivus gets Philly. The good news is the way Tivus does business is with contractors, so their internal corporate picture is not as important as it might otherwise be because they aren't paying corporate staff and their cash flow requirements are very, very low. That part of their business plan has been done very well. If they land the 50 build outs by year's end, then the game is back on, regardless of dilution. IF Tivus got $100,000,000 in build outs, they will rise from the dead and we will all be singing SP's genius. IF.....
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No problem, Mark. More power to you and GLTY. R3
Mark, you'll do this again and again. You won't learn from this because you are in pennies for the thrill of the big score! Someone else will tell you a good story, you will fear losing out on the life of big money, and in you will go for the score. It is gambling, dude, and you love it! It is the little guys financial buzz, and the one of few opportunities in our culture to go from having a little to owning a lot. You are just feeling the hang over right now of playing your hand too early and you are mad at yourself for doing so. So just hang in, because selling out now won't get you anything but more buyer's remorse. GLTY. R3
Dmo is 100% right. I have seen this multiple times where new pennies come into fruition with great optimism and the #1 mistake they make at the pinnacle of their early development is that when sp is high, they always seem to think it will stay high. Consequently, they totally fail to sell adequate numbers of shares in the beginning to manage the company through the first two years of development; i.e., they drink their own kool aid. Then, when sp begins to drop and just when the company needs development money, it results in mass dilution and pushes the company to the brink of failure because they have to sell shares at lower and lower rates. This is where Tivus rests at present. Selling adequate shares at .20 would have kept this company in a much stronger position.
My guess is SP is a decent, high tech genius who isn't a business man. He has obviously avoided establishing a BOD to hold him accountable for corporate development and this has allowed him to hold this company close to his vest. He has made big mistakes in financing, and if indeed the Marriotts are involved in coaching him, they better step into the fray. IF THIS MARRIOTT CONTRACT ISN'T FORTHCOMING RELATIVELY SOON, this company, regardless of a great product, is on life support to say the least. Of course, lots of good ideas find life in another venue (McDonalds) under someone else's business leadership. But we won't benefit from it.
So this contract better come and come soon. The end of the year won't find this company alive without financial trickery and RS's without this contract. If it gets the whole ball of wax (50 build out) we will all do relatively well and survive. IT IS A BIG GAMBLE, IMHO. R3
Tivus is either going to be one of the greatest price breakouts at this level, or one of the great, but frequent pinkyland busts! Which is it? Like it or not, we have to either trust in the DD around the tech, or we fold. I am satisfied that there is nothing nefarious happening financially. Just rotten financing surrounding bad economic times. I still am holding and adding at these levels. The upside is still just too great to write off this stock and company. Dumping here is crazy, and the gamble on the upside just too great. This is all riding on Host and their Philly contract and Omaha and their work there. I do wish Tivus would clarify the Omaha work, but I also realize that any clarification will result in crazies calling DT to see if this is "for real"! So, we all sit and suffer in silence and hope for the right news at the right time and hope it is posted asap. Tivus, if you have other news, get it out there! Be an ORCA.
R3 Fry Guppy.
Ace, I totally understand your concerns and feelings about Tivus, but you really don't want to get into quoting things out of context to illuminate your frustrations. You will just hurt your own credibility and people on the board will write you off. Having said that, if there are legitimate questions for SH I am more than happy to write him and ask him to respond. He has always responded in time and tried to be forthcoming as the law allows. R3
OK, let's get clear. Ace is right, there won't be any checks from advertising any time soon. However, contracts will lead to debt equity and that means there will be adequate money in the system to run the company as the number of rooms climb and checks do come in later with advertising. The most important thing is shifting from equity financing to debt financing. Then and only then will this terrible dilutive financing will slow and eventually stop. R3
No one has agreed to any relevant material on this so I think that sending in a proposal with 50, 60, 70 unit build outs is not a secret or confidential insider information. Host may decide they want to do more or less, and certainly no firm details have been agreed to in this communication. I think this says to us that the build out proposal is much larger than we knew, and that is good and based upon the top 12 advertising markets. So, this is his information, not my extrapolation of his comments. Here is what is critical: if there is a large contract share price will have to be completely reviewed because I never considered anything this large. R3
FYI, I asked Steve H. about the scope of the long term build outs with Host over the 18 month period. I figured that Tivus would probably submit 10-15 units. However, Steve has responded and indicates to me that Tivus submitted a proposal with:
50 hotels, all in major advertising markets.
I can certainly understand a delay with the scope of that proposal. Host must want to take a good look at this because this type of a proposal is probably well above the $100,000,000 level. That isn't chump change by any standard and well above anything I thought might be offered. That does approach ORCA levels. R3 Fry Guppy
By the way, I wouldn't be totally surprised if we do get at least one contract by the end of this week. It would be somewhat of a good play to end the FY quarter with a good announcement. Here's hoping. R3
Ace, do you seriously compare my post as negative versus a statement of some fact and opinion, which I ID'd as such? I believe that Shiva Prakash is doing everything he knows to do to make this company succeed. I don't think he is a thief or scoundrel, but he is just a guy trying to make his dream come true with limited business capability and limited finances. I am in his corner and hope and pray that he makes it. He is doing his best IMHO. May he turn Tivus into an ORCA! R3 Fry guppy
I wish I was a guru on this, but alas I am guessing like everyone else. I am still playing the inside bet that there are contracts on the near horizon, but even with contracts of some heft, the price of Tivus' stock will not make anything like what we had hoped. Announcing the conversion of the MOU to contracts and then sitting around for a month before any kind of contract numbers are released is not good business. Host (according to Shiva) was in somewhat of a hurry and therefore called him in to say they wanted to get the Philly thing under contract. I don't believe that Host and Tivus hadn't already discussed numbers on Philly prior to the MOU, so taking this much time to release an official number for this project is not realistic IMHO. I can understand a build out proposal for 10 other hotels from Tivus taking more time, but Philly is due. R3
As a side, some of the largest companies in the world use shell locations for tax dodges or ways of avoiding accountability. In the world of business, anything goes to make it happen! JMHO! R3
For anyone who has been around Tivus and this board this is ancient history. These same geniuses would scream if Tivus was "Wasting money on high class offices and big staffs!" if that was the case. So here it is; Tivus doesn't need or have offices, or staff, or NYC connections in Manhattan. They contract all their work out with other entities, and that's what the dilutive equity financing is supporting. Once again, and for the 20th time, what other financial arrangements can any of you whiz kids offer them outside of what they are doing and have? No comment? I thought not. The entire bunch of you couldn't build a chicken coup in the middle of a Kentucky Friend Chicken store. You are just small time players who got in over your heads and can't face the music. Now, the next time give us some information someone can use other than "I drove through Houston in a cab one day." R3
The board becomes a therapy board for people who obviously haven't played in pinky land before and expect this company and their stock to act like a 10 year old firm with adequate financial backing and good business record. Every time I ask people what financing options Tivus had, I hear NOTHING. Then a chorus of catcalls, ignoring the reality of this being a company trying to do the near impossible.
Do people think that a big financial payoff comes without gambling type risks? THIS IS A GAMBLE, ACE! And if you haven't found this out yet, I trust you get it now. I am sorry this is so tough on you and others that thought they had the sure thing in Tivus, but nothing is sure but death and taxes. I hope you get a big payday still with Tivus, but the bigger odds are against us and have always been against us. Tivus is in Pinkyland. R3
As I said, none of what I wrote was aimed at you. It was just on your page. R3.
For all of you rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, I suggest you take a break from panic posting. (None of this aimed at you, Zemery) Geez, I sure am glad I wasn't on a sinking ship with any of you guys. Toxic financing is the issue, and has been the issue since this stock was .10. The competitors suck and isn't it funny that you now see people wanting to cast doubt on the tech! If you see where you aren't going to make money, SELL and get out. Dump and run. Such is penny stock trading. This is about a company trying to survive in a horrible market and without financing. Strap in or bail out, but please, no more of this questioning every element of the company from their honesty to their tech. This is all about one thing: REVENUE! REPEAT AFTER ME: REVENUE!! If you can't wait, SELL! Tivu will either survive or die with or without you, but the board will be a lot more fun without the nervous nellies shreaking at every move they are worrying about. You guys remind me of my 2nd, 4th and 8th wives! (Just kidding! Lighten up.) R3
Jsteel, you have forgotten what is the most important part of the CC: the proposal for the 12-18 month build out for multiple properties. You may have one deal signed and agreed to, but no one I know in business is going to announce those numbers until they get that build out settled. There is a big difference in the cost of one hotel, and multiple hotels. If you release the one contract, then you get folks like us who will gripe and moan and bitch if the multiple contract is per unit less than the single hotel contract. There are labor costs that have to be negotiated between Tivus and their installers and Host will expect a real "deal" going forward. They are also taking a risk with Tivus. I think your black and white scenario is not business world savy, no offense intended my friend. R3
They have the commitment, but they don't have the contract in hand with the $'s firmly laid out. It is the firm contract that allows them to get debt financing for their projects. Let's say their Philly contract is $3 million. They can probably borrow up to 80% or $2.4 million to move the company along with operating capital. That is why the even bigger contract of the 12-18 month build out for multiple hotels is so important. It is revenue to move the company forward and begin to deal with controlling the equity financing that has been so dilutive. Pay some interest on a loan is so much better than the convert financing they have struggled with. This is why I do have some sympathy for SP and others who have risked everything to get to this point. R3
By the way, if someone knows Host, put some spurs to these guys and get the contracts settled. If they really want to get out of tv adult entertainment, they are taking their sweet time. R3
Ace, I hear what you are saying, but the market forces today just won't find anyone handing out money for good ideas. It's a terrible climate for investment with banks holding all the cards and not loaning except to 825 credit scores with more cash on hand then sense. I bought a second home in Vegas last year and didn't need the loan (i.e. I had enough cash to pay for the home) with a credit score better than the mortgage holder. IT still took an act of congress to get the bank to loan.
It is a just a bad time for loans, let alone risk capital. IF Tivus gets beyond this hump to debt financing, and IF their product is what they say it is, this company should make it. But we are right where we should be with equity financing in the hole. As this drops, no one should be surprised, just discouraged. But that ain't going to change the facts that times are horrible and we are risking with a new company to try to make some big bucks. GLTY. R3