Jwez, you are right. Tell me one good thing that we can do by dumping on SP or Tivus? What will it change? Negative life, IMHO, brings negative life. Tivus is trying to do a big thing: tie up millions of dollars in contracts. I am betting they pull it off. Time will tell, but I am not wasting one minute of one day being negative about Tivus or their efforts. That doesn't mean I can't criticize them or offer advice, but that is a far cry from angry and hateful speech. So, let the party begin!! Go Tivus, be an ORCA!! R3 Fry Guppy