Well Tampa,
That one likes to hurl insults and then
complain about being hated and insulted etc etc etc.

Except for the occasional poking in good fun,
I ignore Mr. Bill and have the images from old
David Letterman in my head of Mr. Bill where they
used to run comedy skits on the Playdoh Mr. Bill
char.

In other words, I pretty much ignore Mr. Bill.

Sorry, don't have the time.

As I've stated numerous times,
I don't share the same level of committment and attn
that others such as yourself give to IDWD, either
pro or con. WHile my memory may be faulty, it seems
those PR's came later in '06.

I would think with the attn to detail you usually
give to IDWD, you would know better than I.

Perhaps you missed the ones that followed later on. eom.

There's a difference when something is stated as fact
as an actual occurance/event.

at least that's how some judges have ruled according
to what a judge told me. He would know.

uh actually
there's less than .0001% chance of success
which is historical fact and this is a generous figure.

Exactly.
They RS
then register more shares
unload them, then RS
and register more shares
ad infinitum and ad nauseum.

This should be ILLEGAL or at the very least
have a reasonable limitation on how often
it can happen.

It's disgusting.
It removes any credibility this company had.

My question hasn't been answered anywhere.
That is significant, imo.

The anti-IDWD crowd has actually been courteous
and treated it as a serious question which it is
and they like me are still waiting for an answer.

Imo, those $50m PRs are grounds for a lawsuit
if they aren't ever justified and IDWD implodes.
If the $50m is real, IDWD can't and won't implode.
If it isn't, then there will have to be consequences.

Imo, the $50m escrow (real or not) is the key to what
happens from here with IDWD.

It's also hard to believe that the PR was put out if it
was known to be fraudulent in advance.

It's also very suspicious that the buyout hasn't yet
happened and that almost 2 months have gone by without
a PR of explanation.

This is why I decided some time ago to wait it out and see.
It was either that or sell all my shares when they were up.
I originally believed the stock was shorted and there
would be an opportunity to get shorty for $5 sp.
Recently it looks like the shorts covered.
I'm holding all the way to the end with my current shares.
I'll buy no more and won't sell unless the buyout happens.

The whole thing's in limbo until something
happens one way or the other.

Feb. 1
Any REAL news of what happened in the court case?

Speculation will be ignored.
I'm curious what today's results are.

We've been cast as Jar Jar Binks

the next expected line is
"My Give UP!" from current speculating investors
then RS
and on to the next movie in the series
for a whole new cast of speculators to lose $.

OMG
A self-proclaimed Caped Crusader?
LOL!!!!!!!!
This was hysterical!!!!

Good grief, it's a pink for crying out loud.
I could understand if this was a crusade to help the homeless
or single mothers or starving children, but this just takes
the cake.

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quote:
I think I'm on the side of right and goodness with this one.

I've had the same thought.

Last one was Dec. 8th.

This being Feb. 1, one would think an IDWD PR would've
surfaced by now to squelch anti-IDWD sentiments and claims.
We all know that hasn't happened.

On the other hand, no one has verified or disproven the PR
about $50 million that HLS put into escrow for the IDWD
buyout.

The shares of IDWD I have left and am on hold with
are just to see what happens from here on.
I want to see where this story ends.
Downs ended up with a pile of lawsuits a long time ago.
He was also convicted and is still on parole.
This we all know.

The possibility of the same thing happening again exists.
My guess is that criminal charges would follow as well IF
this scenario continues.

Post #20615 pretty much lays out where it looks like things
are and is well written, straight forward and logical.

Now to see where this finally ends,
Downs exonerated or a repeat of previous events?
We'll see.

I'll make no predictions as there are plenty already doing
that. I'll wait for the final verdict.

Osback,
No worries. I've made the same mistake.
Heck just yesterday, IDS Watcher and myself
had a misunderstanding because of how something
appeared. Neither of us intended anything wrong.
It just happens.

In the meantime, has anyone seen that PR put out
on a more credible resource? I'm curious who ends
up winning that debate.

Hey BBB
what?
Now you expect your post to actually be read and responded
to with courtesy and perhaps even some small portion of
mental acuity?

Sorry, that's probably expecting way too much from some.
They haven't grown up yet.

You want pancakes with that?

Mr Bill it's not logical to assume
90% of the posters here hate you.

Perhaps you have confused hate with the fact
you've simply lost the respect of a good many posters.

I don't hate you.

Ahem
post 20595
"That PR looks bogus to me and Janice along with some others
appear to be right about it and with substance."

so was my statement too difficult to comprehend?

in response to:
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It is amazing that some of you PUMPERS are coming on here, posting an SEC link which clearly states that the PRGD option was not excercised and the deposit was forfeited, and then try and use that as an example as to a transaction to verify some value for IDWD stock.

LAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DESPARATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A PR from a fly by night outfit as the "new evidence"

Come on!

You have crossed the line. The transaction with Cyberrelease is traceable. You better run while you still can. You are all going down.

In following along all of this,
and not just singling out any one post,
the anti-IDWD contingent provided some genuine insight.

That PR looks bogus to me and Janice along with some others
appear to be right about it and with substance.

If it had been a Marketwatch or Businesswire release,
it would have more credibility at least as a PR release.

Of course there is a PRGD board for discussions directly
related where Pennycow and IDS Watcher are the moderators.

I'm still trying to fathom just how important PRGD events
are relative to IDWD. I leave those explanations to those
more knowledgeable and have enjoyed the contributions
thus far.

It's just not logical though

that so much time and energy would be devoted to such antics
by those who appear anti-GFCI.

It's a matter of what makes sense, what is believable
and what has become what looks like an obsession.
It's a matter of determining within reason what is more
likely than not the motivation behind the anti-GFCI faction.
Some are just trying to make sense out of it and explain it.

It's not bashing to know for a fact the jet motors not only
exist, but are in fact in the field.
You stated recently they didn't even exist.
When your statement is proven to be factually wrong,
one is then left with why would you say an untruth.

why bait anyone.
it's one thing to poke a little fun,
but another to kick someone when they're already down....
quite the comeback, btw.

iHub, imo is a class above RB and deserves a little finesse...
Imo, that's why most of us are here is that it's meant to be
a better environment for discussion.

Tag, you're it.
;)

The post numbers didn't match
which is why I queried about the correct post #
which you have now confirmed. It is wierd that
when I copied it, the strange event didn't occur
but it's not something for either of us to jump
up and down about. I also did find the actual post
later that you refered to.

And yes, you're correct, the number of the post doesn't copy.
So no, there was NOT anything questionable about your post.

While I can't prove 995ad.com is worthless
we agree in principle as I have never held
any real hope that anything can or will
materialize from it and I've stated this previously.

995ad.com is not even worth discussion
either pro or con IDWD, imo.

There now
that's more like it
it's what we expect to see.

Tag, you're it.

Perhaps you meant post #20360?

This is post 20359:
Posted by: sszzzlin
In reply to: jonesie54 who wrote msg# 20358 Date:1/23/2007 3:02:34 AM
Post #of 20533

Hi i have been made aware of what was said at the meeting but due to promises made can only vaguely fill in the spaces.
The remaining floating shares are mostly owned by HLS now, meaning the final price to them is greatly redused ( greatly) that is the reason it now trades on very low volume.
We will hear from them immenently.
You will not be dissapointed.
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Post #20527 is an IDS Watcher post, and post 20359
is completely different from what IDSWatcher has posted here

Therefore when considering the issue of credibility
there is obviously a fabrication here:

You lost all credibility back at post #2.

Posted by: sszzzlin
In reply to: sszzzlin who wrote msg# 20359 Date:1/23/2007 5:03:49 AM
Post #of 20527

I dont know if you realise but 995ad is the 2nd largest internet car seller in the US , now if this site is part of IDS & you cannot say it is a scam , infact they have had serious offers for it !!!!! what of the rest , you will soon find out & if this works out you will also hold shares in a company that if taken over may also provide us with a big pay day, you work it out ,its a gamble maby but 1 that may pay of big ,yeh pays your money yeh takes yer chances !!!
dont take my word as any reason you should buy do your own DD.

speaking of escrow
I'm left wondering about the what? $50m in the PR
put into escrow by HLS for the buyout.

well let's get about 25-30 people
ripped off by this scam
and petition the SEC to do something about it
or get an attorney and sue them
for umpteen gazillion worthless shares.

For a supposed Dr.
you haven't learned to read well.
Tag, you're it.

Easy there BBB,
you do realize of course if you post facts
and include logical deduction, it will only bring
a tirade of nonsensical diatribe.

Imo, Dial isn't a victim.
If GFCI comes out on top in this lawsuit,
then he's not a victim and neither are we.
Victims are those who are preyed upon and allow it.
That doesn't appear to be happening with the Feb 1
court date so near. Looks more like a fight brewing
or someone is going to back down.

So what the heck, I'm giving odds of 2-1 for Dial.
That ought to drive the shorts bonkers.
I'm saying The plaintiff is either going to settle
to avoid a fight or flat out lose this one.

It's Rumble in the Jungle
Ali is in our corner and Foreman is losing confidence.
All that's left is waiting for the final bell.

ok, now we sit back and watch the nutbars howl.

Pretty much spelled it out.

This particular company is one I believe is going to
find itself in hot water with the SEC.

It appears they RS the stock, then print more shares
and just do it over and over again.

It's surely a quick way to turn $1000 into $1
while someone else holds your $999 that left the building.

Lentinman
That's flawed logic.
There's not enough evidence to support "scam".
It's not proven. It IS obviously very much suspected.

It is libelous terminology and crosses into a grey area
where Freedom of speech dictates "imo" must be used
to avoid it being libelous.
Therefore, it is still only an opinion and not fact.
Currently, our opinions differ possibly because I
require stronger evidence. This also means that IF said
evidence were actually produced, my opinion would change.

A scam imo, is criminal and illegal. This can require proof
beyond a reasonable doubt. In a civil case, the burden of
proof is less, being which is more likely than not.
Currently, there is not even enough evidence to meet the
requirements of a civil case and prove GFCI is a "scam".

Therefore, my logic is not flawed.

Even if the necessary evidence became available, my logic
would still hold as it allows for it to be introduced and
I can change my opinion. The same goes if GFCI produces
evidence which exonerates it as an investment.
Therein lies our difference of opinions.

Imo, the concept of God offered by xtians is a scam.
This is a null hypothesis.
It is neither proven nor disproven.
Again, it is merely my opinion partially based on all the
genocide, death and destruction accomplished in the name of
God by xtians. Same goes for Allah, imo.
So until I see a white bearded buy in flowing robes
sitting on a throne deciding if I descend to Hades,
I'm not accepting that premise either.

Lentinman,
Sorry, can't accept the "scam" bit
on face value in light of the fact
there are actual products being produced & sold
from CTT, Global Oil Tools, Kovac, etc.

A forum does not fact make.
As I said, the verdict isn't in for pro or con.
One position is just currently stronger than the other.
Neither is proven.

Going so far as to say scam when it isn't a fact,
is just plain wrong. If it was a proven scam,
shareholders would have sued already.
Having visited with some of them, they do know I'm
quite skeptical about GFCI, but some of them are
quite knowledgeable about GFCI. Just because they
don't share their knowledge here doesn't make it
any less viable.

I can also say that when friends have asked what's a
good company to invest in, GFCI is not one I speak of.
I just hit 22.5-1 on a pink after a long wait.
I heard almost verbatim the same scam/negative arguments
over a couple of years. It's all been proven false.
The company just remained tight lipped until it had
a lot of ducks in a row in spite of the yowling.
It is also a company I mentioned to only one friend
who is like minded in these things and he's made $ too.
He also didn't care if it never paid off.
It has and we visit and say wow, ok, that was fun.

It's become common knowledge that JD didn't approve
some of the PRs in question. It's pretty obvious there's
been some serious mistakes.

The last PR about Capstone isn't proven to be fluff.
So blanket statements saying scam/run or wow/buy are
both still highly questionable.

Both pro and con opinions currently have value because
there's just so much information that is NOT public.

I do believe there's an element that would love to see
a 100-1 rs just as there's some that would hate it.
It just isn't likely anytime soon, imo.
So we must agree to disagree until we know more.

I wish someone would dig up some facts on the NY lawsuit
such as why/how it was moved to a higher court.
It wouldn't prove much, but it would be a genuine indicator.

There's just not enough definitive info available such as
financials to affirm any opinion right now.
So like my 22.5-1 payoff, I'm willing to wait as I've learned
not to place too much value in the opinions on forums.

Lentinman,
The verdict's not out yet, imo.

100-1 rs or $1.00 SP are both pie in the sky.

There's so much misrepresentation and ridiculous
negative claims steeped in complete falsehoods
that it borders on the psychotic.

The bashing statements presented as fact concerning
things like the NY lawsuit for example in public
forums is just one example of how ludicrous and
downright childish this has gotten.

Imo, pass out the prozac to the extremists and lets
chill out and see what happens in time.

All the bashing did was encourage me to accumulate
more shares and average down and HOLD firm.
It certainly drives the nutbars wild and is worth
holding just for that effect alone.

agreed.
We need to see .25-.50 before anything else.

That's pie in the sky enough for now.

As usual,
PC says SAY ONE THING that's true from a PR.

Then it happens.
Then follows a torrent of uninvited ad nauseum repeats
all argumentative in nature and COMPLETELY ignoring
the fact that the one requested thing........

Has in fact been said.

Misdirection after misdirection.
And PC has completely ignored the disclaimer that followed.

PC will have to find someone else to argue with.

I have HLS shares and they followed the PR.
End of story and end of discussion.
Asked and answered.

This is why some people get consistently and persistently
IGNORED when discussing IDWD.

As for current SP, imo, the shorts having been cleared up
are now making another run at it.
If my opinion bothers anyone, don't read it.

IDWD paid the HLS dividend shares.
I know because I have them in my account.

That's one pr promise kept and it was asked to name one.

don't ask for any more though.
Better to ask me to pull a rabbit out of my hat.

more like now
we take bets on when the next RS hits.

I'll go out on a limb and say early March.

Chicken feed is what this is.

I'll start getting excited when it gets up to .04
and then takes a serious spike.

no problem.

Some people are just downright obsessed with GFCI.
For me, it's a pink for crying out loud.
It's supposed to be fun, like gambling in Vegas.

Thought I read somewheres that it is a federal case now.
Heck, I could be wrong about that.
I'm sure if I am wrong, one of the bashers will chime in.
It blows my mind how some people put so much time and
effort into a pink like GFCI.

I look for pinks that I might make some $ on, but after holding
for at least a yr. That way I get to keep more of the profit.

Imo,
it's pretty obvious GFCI is getting run thru the mill
by shorts. I'd like just once to make $ off the shorts
and GFCI is a candidate. I have a bit of my shares for sale
at $5.00 if it happens. Imo, that's having fun with a pink.

If it doesn't happen, oh well.
With Capstone brought in,
things are probably looking up to get shorty.
So, I'll just hold and wait and see.

B2L
Tag, you're it!
It was basic IF-THEN.
Of course, your snipping removed some context.
That's not nice.

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here's the complete thought again:
After some checking, it could end up proving beneficial
news when it gets settled. Of course, there's always a big
chance of it getting settled and no news breaking about it
if a nondisclosure agreement is part of the settlement
which is likely to happen even when the settlement is in
GFCI's favor.
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If you read my entire post, I'm questioning the assumptions
made by bashers who I definitely now believe have an agenda.
I know it makes me want to stick this out to the end.
If the goal is to make longs sell out, imo, it's having
the exact OPPOSITE effect on many of us.

Can you tell me, WHO moved the case into Federal court?!?!?!?!?
Can anyone here say WHO did this?
I'd like to know.

That one piece of information is CRITICAL to how any of us
might view this lawsuit. Without knowing that one piece,
bashers have no right to make any assumptions
and neither do those who are pro-GFCI.
All any of us can do is guess.

Notice the words I used, like "could"
You can substitute the word "IF" for "when"
(even when(IF) the settlement)
if that helps your comprehension.

I didn't say GFCI would win, just what one possibility is.
I.e. IF GFCI wins through settlement, then
Will we get to know about it or not?

I'm unhappy with SP, but math is math. 1+1=2.
The things not adding up are starting to pile up.

There's a conundrum here that begs to be solved.
The more GFCI gets bashed and especially with the same old
things, the more it makes me want to stick it out.

One can hope the SEC will.
Imo, with the Dems in charge of Congress,
we're more likely to see more punitive action from the SEC.

IDWD has been accused repeatedly of fitting into the very
things addressed in the article. If IDWD is actually
involved as claimed by some, I say nail their hides to the wall.

I'm guessing it won't happen.
In the meantime, perhaps some of those crusading against
IDWD would use their time to pursue their complaints
through the SEC.

Thanks Investorman

Now if the SEC will actually follow through.....
There's so many out here that might fall in this
category, that it might be an overwhelming task
for the SEC.

Even so, a few more jail sentences might stem the tide some.
Retail investors could really use some help these days.

If the SEC went after IDWD as a Ponzi scheme, it would
make my day to see one in action.
If it actually happens is another thing entirely.