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28nm in 2015 sorta puts GloFo and TSMC process claims in perspective.
By that time Intel will have shipped over 1/4 billion devices of 14nm ranging from phone chips to high end servers.
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like this is important compared to do the basic os properly including a proper ui...
/sarc
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I've come to the conclusion that the analysts either don't understand or don't believe Intel when they've explained the economics of semiconductor manufacturing at Intel over and over again.
The analysts are either too stupid or have malicious intent. I suspect that as a group it's a combination of both.
I contrast this with their willingness to gobble up and repeat almost anything the other manufactures will vomit up.
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They could name it PHaRT.
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Not fixated on another iphone. I may go android this time around.
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We have three iPhone 3GS which are getting pretty painful to use. We're trying to hang on until spring to get a look at intel based offerings before upgrading all three. Can't come too soon...
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IMO although the OEM might go through some handwringing on CPU vs modem the end user is more likely to worry about weight and battery life. I doubt if anyone realistically can tell the difference in the normal environment of day to day connectivity.
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and one of those contenders is closing on 2 nodes ahead in process tech...
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I'd be surprised if x86 servers really combined.
Edit:
Declined not combined....
The overall decline may be due to the combined effects of continued economic malaise for corporate and the rise of in house custom builds by cloud providers which are likely uncounted.
I'd be surprised if x86 servers really combined.
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I wonder how many body parts are left?
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/amd-announces-proposed-sale-lease-233000410.html
"Congratulations on a great quarter..."
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Selling calls on unexercised options would amount to naked calls. Due to their insider position they are usually restricted on the timing of their sales and would need to use existing holdings to satisfy arbitrary call exercises.
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And without any experience and libraries of apps for performance and regression testing like they must have for x86 it's hard for me to believe that optimizing ARM will be easy.
You are in a maze of twisty passages all alike. You are in a twisty maze of passages all alike.
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One thing that Intel may be uniquely able to provide is better security. Even with a walled garden phones are susceptible to compromise. Even more so when the garden isn't heavily fortified.
That alone might start another wave. The scum of the world never sleep...
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I think I would believe Intel execs on the CC rather than speculations from a wiki source. They are legally responsible for their statements.
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I wonder how long after the "light of day" will it be before Kaveri is in volume.
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My best guess is that Intel's offerings at 22nm will do well in tablets whether Android or Win8x and capture significant share rather quickly.
I'm not as optimistic about the phones since the qualification cycle is lengthy. But the 22nm silicon should increase Intel share over where it is today and give them a good base to ramp from when the 14nm silicon is ready.
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I'm guessing that AMD is getting some upfront NRE for the silicon which is a short term bump. What will be interesting is once the production begins and NRE payments are over what the recurring revenue looks like.
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In my nearly 20 years with Intel and 10+ years since retiring this always comes up. I think Intel is a much better forecaster of future needs than anyone else but they seldom communicate the details until necessary, likely for competitive reasons.
I think the real reason is to give the analysts something to whine about.
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channel is a very loosely defined term.
intel carries all the inventory at their authorized distributors on their own books. it isn't "sold" until the distributor sells it.
"channel stuffing" is therefore pretty impossible. even intel's small customers buy from intel's distributors. in the far east you can see them picking up supplies even on their bicycles after receiving an order for a system from a customer. that's real time order processing and inventory management.
been there, seen that...
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If your needs are satisfied by integer performance you won't see much benefit by increased DP FLOPS.
I wouldn't expect much more than 10-15% perf increase per year on integer.
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My choice to get a haswell would give me added performance over this old 2.6g corei7 Dell tower. I use it for RF simulations for circuits and antennas as part of my hobby. It also runs a real time database looking for new stations to work. It gets a major workout and the fan winds up quite loud.
I know for a fact that IVB properly built runs quieter as my daughter's 3D modeling activity on her box seldom spins up the fans like this one yet are a heavy load.
The HSW would likely be more performance and quieter. I really don't give a crap about a few cents per KWH. I get annoyed by noise. I get annoyed when the CPU utilization makes the UI choppy.
I don't know what you use your PCs for but mine get heavy use on a regular basis.
If I could buy a box with Win7 and HSW I might do that but from what I've seen Win7 is no longer available to retail buyers.
I might go ahead and build a Win7/HSW box but I want to see if Win8.1 will make Win7 moot. I'm not really into holding on to old OSs. I usually move within a year of first availability.
Win8 has been the first one that has really let me down.
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Lower power means my machine will run cooler on average and means quieter operation. That's important enough for me to want to upgrade from this 2.6G Corei7 to Haswell but not enough for me to endure what I put up with on Win8 every time I have to bail out my wife on her laptop.
I'm waiting to see how "fixed" Win8.1 is before buying a copy of Win7. I would greatly prefer the security and performance features of Win8. They aren't minor IMNSHO.
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I've stated many times: Win8 has a lot of good performance and security enhancements for desktop users smothered by a interface for 10" tablets. Those enhancements would have generated an immediate sale of an upgrade for me and the half dozen computers in our household.
There was/is no excuse for this. The tablet interface and desktop interfaces could have been made easily be selectable for the desired platform.
There was ZERO reason to handicap the millions of those who find a touch screen serves no purpose.
If tablets or convertibles are your thing then having the option to make the fatfinger UI the default would have been fine.
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have you even actually tried to use Win8 with a mouse??
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Older generation my ass!!!
Can you actually defend chasing all over the damn screen trying to find "charms" to finally get a path to control panel to try and see why your printer isn't printing!!!
Why is using a mouse to dismiss an application by clicking swiping all over the damn place considered an improvement over simply clicking a GODD*** red X???
WBMW sometimes I think you must be Balmer-y!
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I look as Phi as a product which will evolve. This first implementation is good enough to win some designs and establish the architecture. The following family members will improve based on feedback and more transistors from advanced processes.
Making it capable of standalone operation will be very attractive to more potential users.
This is going to snowball in it's market segment and pretty much wipe out all others.
Anyone remember Weitek?
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Also found this on performance vs Nvidia:
http://goparallel.sourceforge.net/independent-test-xeon-phi-shocks-tesla-gpu/
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Lots of Xeon Phi news:
http://www.hpcwire.com/search.html?sortby=date&sitesearch=phi+xeon&search=Search
Looks like Intel is getting some traction.
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Actually making a more "standard" Android handset might get the conversion rate to the latest Android version up to iPhone standards. The older versions of Android seem to be the most attacked.
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If Intel could make a security play in handsets it would be quite welcomed I suspect:
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-57591042-83/mobile-malware-grows-by-614-percent-in-last-year/
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This is really unbelievable. A three year agreement covering 10nm.
TSMC may never get to 10nm, much less in three years. End of the decade perhaps.
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CD is increasingly distraught that Intel doesn't bow to his wishes and Intel's competitors are fading from relevance. That leaves him with fewer choices in his SMB biz and analysis biz.
He loathes Nvidia and AMD has largely abandoned the fight against Intel. He keeps rooting for ARM to take AMD's place which I find really amusing.
The SemiA site has gone mostly subscription which has alienated many (most?) of the forum participants. No way to tell if they've gotten sufficient subs to keep the lights on much longer.
The basis for existence for most review sites has always been the competition between Intel and AMD. Not clear what happens to them all with the ARM/x86 battle when it amounts to tablets/phones vs Intel PCs of one form or another.
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I'll hazard a guess that they're waiting to see what happens with Win8.1 before spending a lot of money.
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aeassa: any atom fabric info in your discussions with intel?
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With the foundries having so much trouble keeping up with even Intel's n-1 technology and JSH publicly complaining about the cost of new nodes it's not surprising that he's thinking about licensing.
Here we have Intel encroaching with integrated graphics in a meaningful way with HSW and likely more aggressively in the next two tick-tock cycles, Atom vs Qualcomm likely wiping out all Tegra prospects for 2014 designs and iPhi roadmap laying waste to GPU compute ambitions.
Could be a real mess in two years.
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I wonder what Intel has planned for "fabric" at the low end? If it's anything useful it would really take the wind out of the sails of AMD's latest acq.
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because not all of TSMC's customers use HK/MG at 28nm.
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Add to that Intel's continual feedback from huge manufacturing volumes and copy exact means that the process development guys get far more information about what actually works.
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