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JoFotoz:
You did not miss the memo b/c no such memo exist.
What was your e-mail address again?
TIA,
j
Orangeman 3: Thank you for your honesty. eom
JoFotoz:
While were at it...why don't you go ahead and answer those questions I posed to Orangeman 3 too (if you would be so kind).
Disregard the Syracuse question though. Your sports question is will the Chargers underacheive again this season?
Remember...yes or no responses please.
TIA,
j
Orangeman 3:
I would like to ask you a few questions. In your past conversations with FH, has he ever invited you up to HQ to review his accounting books/records? Has he ever sought input from your engineering education? Has he ever asked you to come over and utilize your business skills to run or improve the business operation? Has he ever asked for your insight into how to run his business? Has he ever asked for you opinion of any matter r/t Cetek/HT/DT? Have you ever gone to one of the SHM in the past? Have you ever visited Cetek HQ? Have you ever sit down and spoken with FH face to face (phone does not count)? Did McNamara get drafted?
Please answer these questions with a simple yes or no.
TIA,
j
Orangeman:
Regarding the 600 million shares. Without question, these enigmatic shares need to be explained (by FH...without deception). Someone needs to hold Mr. Hilal's feet to the fire and come clean about the nature of these shares. I posted one theory about these shares not to long ago.
Why didn't FH go to the SEC regarding the purported NSS...I can't answer that. A poster on RB known as Syrianext1 clearly stated that at last year SHM that FH stated there were shorts out there. How many...we can only speculate. Have they been covered...we just don't know at this point.
Insofar as to the 8 profitable quarters...this will no doubt be addressed at the SHM. There's very little wiggle room regarding this element.
Regards,
j
Orangeman:
I agree, at this time, no proof regarding a NSS position with CTKH can be produced. We can only speculate as to the extent. However, no proof can be produced that it has not either. We simply don't know.
What is that link you often give...buyin.net.
Yea...that's the one...please read the following disclaimer regarding any and all information provided by that privately owned service.
All material herein was prepared by the BUYINS.NET, based upon information believed to be reliable. The information contained herein is not guaranteed by BUYINS.NET to be accurate, and should not be considered to be all-inclusive. The companies that are discussed in this opinion have not approved the statements made in this opinion. This opinion contains forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. This material is for informational purposes only and should not be construed as an offer or solicitation of an offer to buy or sell securities. Please consult a broker before purchasing or selling any securities viewed on or mentioned herein.
Regards,
j
Orangeman:
“We are particularly concerned about the potential negative effect that substantial and persistent fails to deliver may be having on the market in some securities. Specifically, these fails to deliver can deprive shareholders of the benefits of ownership - voting, lending, and dividends from issuers. Moreover, they can be indicative of abusive naked short selling, which could be used as a tool to drive down a company's stock price. They may also undermine the confidence of investors who may believe that the fails to deliver are evidence of manipulative naked short selling in the stock. In turn, issuers may be harmed, as investors may be reluctant to commit capital to a stock that they believe is subject to abusive naked short selling.”
Christopher Cox, 28th Chairman of the Securities and Exchange Commission
Basically, regarding the existance of NSS and the effects on capital markets, one must consider the following. Are you going to believe the SEC Chairman...or are you going to believe Orangeman?
j
Orangeman:
I see no reason why the fact that Mr. Hilal knows you should prevent you from asking "tough" questions. In light of recent events, I believe tough questions are more than warranted. This will be an open forum and a professional setting. Why whould Mr. Hilal potentially have dour sentiments for you? You've never been unprofessional with Mr. Hilal...have you?
I find it very hard to believe that the primary motivating factor for your travel and expenses to the SHM are to "meet some of the posters face to face!!"
Has the thought occured to you that one of the benefits (secondary in nature) of going to the SHM for others (longs) might be to meet you face to face?
Food for thought.
Regards,
j
JoFotoz:
I apologize for the delayed response. My intention is to stop over in LV for the meeting. From that point I will connect to Sacto. to visit my parents. When I depart, I will connect out of SD. Do you live in one of the surrounding areas...Del Mar, La Jolla, etc...?
I must report that at this time, Maestro will not be in attendance. As information (bona fide) presents itself regarding the SHM, I will be able to nail down specific dates and times. I shall let you select the pub. You may bring Midnight C as well. Perhaps we can even get End2War to make the trek down from the LA area.
Take care.
j
Orangeman:
..."Go ahead ask Hilal to come clean and bring the NOBO list to the SHM and let everyone who is there look at it to see about the shorts...I will bet Hilal shows the S/H NOTHING."
Thank you for bringing this up. If I'm able to attend, I plan on asking him this question (among others).
Regards,
j
Orangeman:
Thank you for your response. One issue I have regarding your response is the comment you made that "the firms don't get paid till they cover." The way I understand it is that these firms get their money up front.
As I said earlier and I will reemphasize, there is just no evidence regarding NSS with this or any pink sheet company (at this time). That notion applies to whether or not any covering of said shorts have been executed. You have asserted on several occasions that all NSS related to CTKH have been covered. Where did you get this confirmation/information. Can you please provide the evidence?
Did you get a chance to review that link? I found it informative, perhaps you may too.
Regards,
j
Orangeman:
Just out of curiosity...with you being a shareholder (per your own admission), what camp do you fall into?
Regards,
j
Orangeman:
If you think that NSS does not or can not exist prior to 2005, than you need to listen to what this has to say.
For anyone to contend that they know what the NS position is in any of these pink sheet stocks...is significantly ill-informed. All NSS before 2005 were grandfathered in by the SEC under regulation SHO.
Regards,
j
By: papajohn918
06 Jul 2006, 02:58 PM EDT
Msg. 174745 of 174752
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Check this out
http://www.businessjive.com/nss/darkside.html
papajohn
End2War:
I'm an investor in CTKH like yourself. Like yourself, I believe Mr. Hilal is and has dedicated his life to CTKH. The potential this company has remains promising IMO. I agree with your approach (as well as others) to not castigate a company in which I hold shares with.
However, the fact remains that to date, Mr. Hilal has not created the shareholder value that falls under one of the primary responsibilities of being a CEO. He has verbally committed himself to create this value on multiple occasions. From what I know, Mr. Hilal is a goal oriented man and a brilliant scientist. His life is very focused on the scientific elements of his business. But, his ability to run the business aspect might be...shall we say...not one of his strong points.
I think it is fair to say that any shareholder would be discouraged at how recent events have unfolded. Primarily, the incongruent nature between the PR's and the actual numbers that were recently disclosed. Some of it reeks with deception.
I'm going to visit my parents in California in August. I plan on stopping over in Las Vegas (if this is the location) to attend the meeting. I suspect Mr. Hilal will be inundated with questions. These will be tough questions (as they should be)!
It would be ideal if he answers these questions willingly, forthrightly, and without his attorney whispering in his ear.
We're all in this boat together...there's no reason to try and sink it (not directed at you End2War).
Respectfully,
j
JoFotoz:
That picture was hilarious. However, I think that applies to any CTKH investor at this time.
j
JoFotoz:
"Go ahead , take a look ...
....then tell me I dont have a reasonable handle on this."
From what I've seen, no, you don't have a very good handle on this. The day in question when you recomended selling at 0.0020 (you later changed it to 0.0018-0.0020); that was not feasible that day. This was already pointed out to you. Only on days with high volume and large amounts of buying pressure can you get exucuted on a sale at or near the ask. There were GTC orders in at the ask that never got executed. Has this concept escaped you?
After this fantasy sell recommendation of yours, where was the buy recommendation at 0.001 when the stock subsequently ran to 0.0025...it wasn't there.
You're not the king of swing that you would have others believe. You totally missed a 150 percent move. On the second run, and I have good authority that you could have gotten your sell order exucuted at the ask.
Of an unrelated matter...no Jo, I don't take umbrage to your "offerings" even though they are at times significantly flawed. There is no need to place you on ignore as others have. Yes, I fully agree with questioning experts in any field when seeking information. Please be sure to share any other findings your wife "stumbles" across with the board if you so choose.
Regards,
j
JoFotoz:
How do I feel about the 20-30 million in revs...well Jo, that goes without saying. Now that everyone has seen the released financials (that remain suspect in nature), I, as much as anyone, was somewhat dissappointed and surprised. Mr. Hilal has some explaining to do regarding the incongruencies that exist between his 2004 PR's and the 2004 released figures.
"Since the company's inception, I have dedicated myself to making sure Cetek gains a solid foundation in as many potentially profitable industries as possible. This is only the beginning of a great year." - Fayiz Hilal CEO 12/31/04
Yea..I'd say!
Jo, people break down into two fundamental groups. Those that try to maintain a positive outlook in life and those that don't.
Maestro at least had the courage to put forth numbers, albeit he used an incorrect starting point. When he saw how far off these predictive values were, he issued an apology to the board. I don't recall any attempts to extrapolate figures from you Jo. You roam around like some international man of mystery verifying information after the fact. Information that you have self admitted not even coming across yourself (we appreciate you citing the stumbling across WTP to the correct source...namely, your wife).
I would like to share something with you from a poem I'm rather fond of...
"Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
...and listen to others,
even to the dull and the ignorant;
...they too have their story.'
Which brings me to this...you have yet to share with the board your theory/hypothesis of this sinuous puzzle you have excogitated regarding Cetek and Mr. Hilal's motives. I'm very interested in listening to your hypothesis JoFotoz. Do you have the courage to advance it? Moreover, do you have the courage to subject yourself to the critical analysis of others view upon it?
Please enumerate it clearly and thoroughly. Could you also please omit the attempt at inkhorn commentary...you know...the 3-4 line quips. Thus far, the most detailed post you've contributed has been your system of filing and cataloging Roundmots posts and pleaing for him to allow you back on his PennyFever board.
Please dispel your international man of mystery status JoFotoz.
Regards and TIA,
j
PennyWorld:
Thank you for the question. The answer to your question is yes...it is possible for a patient undergoing a surgical procedure to experience this scenario you describe. Any time an anesthesia provider uses a paralytic agent (any drug that paralyzes skeletal muscle) it renders the patient unable to move, communicate, or breath for that matter (without mechanical ventilation) . In fact, Vecuronium Bromide (Norcuron) is one of the durgs used in the lethal injection sequence to paralyze the respiratory muscles. It is important to note that paralytic agents alone do not fully anesthetize a patient; other adjunct drugs must be used in combination with each other to acheive general anesthesia.
However, these scenarios are very rare in occurance. We have the ability that did not exist until recently to measure and assess intraoperative awareness accurately through BIS monitoring. Your anesthesiologist should know with high probability to what level/degree a patient is under general anesthesia, hence, unaware of the surgical procedure. We utilize intraoperative awareness monitoring to reduce the incidence or potential of this unpleasant scenario.
I hope this answers your question.
Respectfully,
j
JoFotoz:
Thanks for the call out. I left the gym a short time ago with Maestro...all is well. Thank you for your interest in our well-being. LOL!
Interestingly though Jo...I don't recall ever defending Maestro's attacks.
As far as my feeling of the 20-30 millions in revs...again, show me where I made this assertion. How does maestro feel about it? Why don't you ask him Jo. He's his own man...right or wrong. Oh...which reminds me...he had the wherewithal to exucute an apology this morning on RB. Did you miss that? Perhaps you can place that in a special file in that vast catalog of posts you keep. It sounds like you have amassed an impressive collection. LOL!
I have made it clear for a long time that my position in this company was very small and never at any point depended on its performance to secure my financial future as you might believe. I will continue with my Anesthesia practice and happily living my life. I hope you continue to live your happy life as well Jo.
Well...it sounds as though you are ready to move onto your next project. Good luck to you!
Happy sailing to you.
j
By: JoFotoz
09 Jun 2006, 05:51 PM EDT
Msg. 171152 of 171155
(This msg. is a reply to 171150 by maestromoohlah.)
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Maestro...are you of the opinion...
.... that Hilal et al didnt premeditatively have increased legal protection
in mind as part of this move ?
jo
JoFotoz,
You know the answer to this question. Why do you ask it?
j
IL Pad,
Please ensure you get the word out to your coterie to get themselves covered while they can.
Yours,
j
JoFotoz:
If I may ask, could you please post the comments that you made on the Penny Fever board that was the cause of you getting TOS'd.
Thank you,
j
Penny/King:
When do you anticipate contacting (or attempt to communicate) with Mr. Hilal regarding the SHM? If you could inquire as to the location would be appreciated.
Thank you.
j
King,
Thank you and well done! eom.
PennyWorld,
Of interest; are you planning on going to this years SHM? Has there been any further indication on where it will be held this year (Vegas or NY)?
TIA,
j
Orangeman-Bigcue1:
I'm sorry to shatter your theories on "who's who," but I can assure you, Maestro and Roundmot are in no way shape or form two and one of the same. I just left the gym with Maestro; he's a close friend of mine. Yet again Orangeman, you seem to never fall short in revealing your ignorance with your perpetual logorrhea.
Maestromulah has been very up front about explaining that he was formally Maestroinvestor.1; he had to get a new alias b/c of a password issue. I have discussed with him in the past abuot joining IHub; I will do so again tonight.
One more thing Orangeman, Maestro is far from being dumb. You should be very cautious with your calumnious expressions upon people that you don't even know.
I've been meaning to ask you Orangeman; why do you no longer post on RB?
TIA
j
PennyWorld,
Thanks for the info; I'll get this done. It will be interesting to see the O/S total (updated).
I've heard many stories regarding how FH communicates with people. The speculation that you mention, do you think that RM3 had an impact on any of this. I know of only a select few who he has what I perceive as regarded respect for. I really can't say who Penny, but it is not the usual suspects.
I know at the SHM last year, the question was presented to FH and his lawyer RL at the possibility of releasing "un" audited financials. I wish King George VA would have ran this by him at his recent visit. With any of your phone convesations with FH, have you asked about this and if so, what type of reponse did you get?
Take care,
j
JoFotoz,
One more thing. If I may say, I have seen you vilified by some, I have seen you vilify as well. Food for thought.
j
JoFotoz,
No doubt about it. As I have said previously, I will not get dragged into personal confrontations that exist among others on these boards (namely you and meaestro). I'm aware of it. I'm far to busy for that. I will reiterate that you (as well as others for that matter) can accept or reject that. I have nothing to prove to anyone. Everyone chooses how to communicate with others and I choose the more civil approach. I can not speak for maestro or the NSDL.
Back to the issue. Thank you for the response regarding the NSS and CTKH. It seems to be the most viable and rational reasoning/explanation heretofore.
Take care,
j
Orangeman,
I don't have a problem with you or anyone else on these boards for that matter. But, this is the very last time I'm going to address this issue with you.
First, go look up the definitions of those two words and you will see that they have entirely different meanings.
Second, I'M NOT POSITIVE1. I DO NOT POST ON RB...PERIOD, DOT, DASH! Why don't you post on RB?
I know the NSDL was TOS for two reasons. The most obvious; you no longer see him posting. The other reason, I know of him and through other communication channels/links, I have heard that he was TOS'd. All this has no relevance whatsoever.
You're being neurotic over who's who.
Relax,
j
PennyWorld,
It should be of no surprise that I toned the characterization of those two down. I do take into consideration that IHUB has a more professional tone to it; therein lies the justification for toning my description of them down.
Maestro does not post on this board Penny, so I know you have never deleted any of his posts here. His posts were deleted on RB. He was originally Maestroinv, then had a password issue and signed back on as Maestroinvestor111. RB TOS him for multiple alias. He did not violate TOS for multiple alias (such as RickApple aka Skull-N-Cross).
Now, back to issue. No doubt about it, the CEO has been inconsistent. But, I try to look at all possibilities (including Orangeman's and End2War's). I don't want to get pulled into personal confrontations among posters who disregard each other. Both sides of the NSS should be looked at and considered.
I have never spoken with the CEO like you have. I consider any such attempt a waste of my time. I do realize that the only thing that Mr. Hilal has remained consistent with is being inconsistent with information, revalations, etc.
Take care,
j
Orangeman,
I don't know the NSDL, but I know of him. He did not have multiple alias' as some would believe. I can tell you with utter certainty that the NSDL and Maestro are two entirely different individuals.
You can choose to accept or reject that, but I don't really care which.
Regarding this "fancy" word...what the heck are you talking about? If so, it's mere coincidence.
We do agree on one thing Orangeman, Mr. Hilal has not been judicious with some of his decision making (in the past). I'd say.
j
PennyWorld,
First, no, I'm not HBOBET. I can tell you that my vocation is not a trader and I don't post endlessly throughout the entire day (I don't call everyone "MATE" for that matter).
If you wish to send an e-mail to me to verify this, send a private message; I do want to maintain my anonymity.
I post very little here on the IHUB board (as evidence by my post history) and not at all on RB. I know this seems unusual, but to place things into perspective, CTKH has over 7000 SH's and the representaion on both boards comes nowhere close to this number. My friend has a small positon in CTKH and reads the message boards (both IHUB and RB) on a daily basis. He has never posted on either board. It should come of now surprise that he has to sift through some of the meaningless posts, but he has never posted on either board.
I hope this provides some clarification for you as well.
j
JoFotoz,
You may ask. I can tell you with complete honesty I don't have an alias on RB. I don't post on RB. In the grand scheme of things, I have no way of proving this other than my word. Since you don't know me, just know I have no reason to lie to you or anyone else for that matter about this issue.
As forementioned, I'm from California, however, no longer live there. My Dad is fighting cancer and when I fly home to see him, I often cross over in SD. If in the near future, I cross over and have some available time, I would be willing to visit with you at your pub (if the offer is open). I don't drink though (ETOH that is), but I'm sure you have other non-alchoholic drinks.
To answer your other questions to the best of my ability, no, there is no conspiracy theory. As far as the cross-fertization of thoughts; I like to think of it more of a hybridization of thoughts (combining the good with bad). While I don't maintain the negative view others have of CTKH (and they do exist), I just try to stay somewhat more positive (pardon the ref. to positive1) about things and the nature of my small investment in CTKH.
I hope this provides some clarification.
Take care,
j
JoFotoz,
Glad to hear you are back safely. I have been watching the Discovery Channel's "The Deadliest Sea" and have been intrigued by the demanding nature of Crab Fishing. Although, I know you don't sail the Bearing St. fishing for crab, the seas can be daunting nevertheless. I see you are from San Diego. I was married in Del Mar on the beach. I'm from California as well (about 45 miles W/NW from Yosemite National Park).
Now back to topic. I would agree with you regarding the degree of the short position with CTKH. If I may say, I believe you acknowledged SyriaNext1 when the CEO did state at the SHM that CTKH has at some point and time been shorted. I agree with you that others have said "HUGH" while at the same time have been unable to generate verifiable data or documentation.
I'm respectively asking you Jo, do you feel CTKH has been shorted? If so, to what extent?
Have a safe trip on your next sailing expedition.
ATB,
j
P.S. I'm not responsible for making you a member of that MV group. This is tantamount to Orangeman claiming I'm positiveone. LOL!!
Orangman,
Assuredly, I'm not Positiveone on RB; let me be very clear about that. But, by you making this assertion, you have just managed to demonstrate your true ignorance regarding who you think I may or may not be. That's irrelevant.
As I have already explained to you Orangeman, my position in CTKH is rather small and whether or not I made a bad decision is not subject to your judgment or approval. For the record, how would you characterize your decision for buying into this stock? Moreover, why would you continue to hold a position in this stock?
Take care,
j
PennyWorld,
I will agree with you that it was not spamming according to the technical definition, however, you did tout IHUB which constituted adverstising. Interestingly, I noticed that the post in question was deleted. I'll also agree with you regarding the undesirable tone of the two posters you addressed on RB.
What I'm concerned with is I've noticed how Maestroinvestor's posts and other posters have recently been deleted. In my conversations with maestro, we have a theory as to why. I choose not advance it here (r/t the OT nature). He had a password issue with his original account that required him to get another alias. He is currently working this issue out with RB. For the record Penny, I'm not Maestro.
Now, RickApple aka Skull-N-Crossbones...absolutely, multi-alias and it should be addressed accordingly.
Finally, the issue pertaining to NSS and CTKH; please explain this concept to Orangeman regarding the dynamics of NSS, the SHO list, and that a non-reporting company (CTKH included) is not subject to SEC enforcement.
The CEO was clear when he stated at the SHM that CTKH has been at some point in the past, shorted. Syrianext1 validated this fact as well as others who were at the SHM. Were you or Orangeman at the SHM to hear this? Now, I will oblige you that there is no way of knowing to what extent or degree this stock has been shorted, but I do feel this stock has been shorted to some degree. Perhaps you can inquire about this issue the next time you talk with Mr. Hilal. One problem with that, he may stonewall you with his artifice (per response to King George Va..."I don't follow the market forces."). I don't buy that for a New York second.
Take care,
j
Orangeman,
Please refer to end2war's post on the other board regarding the dynamics of NSS. I don't believe you understand these dynamics very well.
j
PennyWorld,
Why did you report "thenotsodarklord" for TOS violation? To my knowledge, he was not using multi-alias' as you might believe.
Why are you spamming RB with your advisement of their disbarment here to those two knucle-heads?
TIA
PennyWorld,
Why did you report "thenotsodarklord" for TOS violation? Why are you spamming RB with your advisement to those two nimrods.
TIA