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This ship finally about to turn around and head north?
14% upside move today? Congrats to all who were buying in the mid 2's!!!!
Please Understand : The highest and best use of NG, CNG, LNG and RNG is NOT in vehicles !
If you care about the environment, every molecule of methane should be used to displace Coal. And not until every coal and diesel facility is closed should we look at the second best application for Natural Gas.
And this isn't NGV's either.
Every penny spent on NGV's and NG Stations is money wasted and diverted from where it should be going to improve the environment.
CLNE is NOT helping the Earth. In fact CLNE is doing more harm than good.
There is a reason why CLNE has never been profitable ... CLNE is not a viable solution. And having lousy management doesn't help either.
Face the Truth. CLNE is a niche play and NOTHING MORE !
This Scam began when T. Boone Pickens went long cheap natural gas and his failed attempt to create a higher value market as an automotive fuel.
CLNE has squandered Billions over-building a network of CNG stations for what is nothing more than a small niche. Honda, Volvo, Ford and GM have all stopped NGV production, so the market is municipal vehicles and a small segment of long-haul trucks.
And throughout its history, management has lived well on shareholder's dimes.
This future of CLNE is small. The growth of CLNE is small. To date, only the insiders have profited
The drain seems to be getting smaller by the minute.
CLNE resumes the slide toward the drain
Are any board readers trading/scalping these bumps?
It’s a real slick trick move with a ticker that’s been over-hyped and still bleeding cash profusely
Watch yourself, don’t step on your trick
Cheers
spec
Are you any closer to grasping the real direction here?
I think my past posts probably were more accurate than someone writing a puff review on a phony stock analyst board
If you lose a bunch of money, at least accept the lesson
spec
In 2005 or 2006 Clean Energy stock was at a historic high of around $25 or $26 per share and a darling of Wall Street. Here we are almost twenty years later, billions spent on building an unprofitable infrastructure and hundreds of millions if not billions in execution compensation and the stocks has never come close to the high in 20 years! The stock is two dollars away from becoming a penny stock with a better than average chance of a reverse split, what an slap in the face to investors! Littlefield and his crew have made millions while destroying the value of this company!
Thanks for the info but this has been in existence since 2005, most analysts forecasted 2019 for profitability. What this company does well is spend money on projects that don't yield profitability! They have been building out infrastructure for decades at what point can shareholders expect to a return on investments? Boone Pickens isn't coming thru the door and Littlefield hasn't shown the ability to get us there! I remember when the CEO of Chesapeake Energy died and at the time both companies were perceived in a similar manner but Chesapeake stock today is over $70 and this dog has been trading within a range for decades! I'm glad you are optimistic but we have been promised profitability for decades without success!
Marvin01
take a look at this article. For those who complain about the subsidies for RNG. Look at the $240k California is giving away!!!
Also, check out the number of X15N engine already hitting the market, along with expected sales for 2024 and beyond.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/diesel-distancing-propels-alternative-fuel-160000062.html
This could be the year, not if NatGas stays under $2. A bit from the transcript
The second pillar and one that sets us apart from virtually any other company is that Clean Energy has the leading network of RNG distribution stations in North America, which enable our customers to achieve their low-carbon goals by supplying RNG to their fleets. Many of our stations are strategically located on important trucking corridors with public fueling access for existing and future customers. And that number is growing with the opening of stations where Amazon operates as our anchor customer. Some of our stations are customer-owned, where we provide services and suppliers.
The third pillar of our business is how we work with our customers in many ways beyond just the sale of fuel. This includes education on the benefits of RNG and achieving emission goals, product procurement, operational support, station construction and servicing facility modification and navigating the complex world of sustainability reporting public policy and grant applications. Clean energy is also the largest distributor of third party RNG production to the transportation industry by our customers with RNG from over 100 different production sources. We are the largest off-taker and the business cannot be more pleased to extend our network and our service offerings to a vast group of fleets that will soon be able to adopt RNG vehicles.
Thanks to Cummins new X15 and engine, which is a catalyst for our growth feedback from the fleets operating the test units of this engine has been very positive. Back are as recently opened the order book for trucks equipped with the x15N. and commercial deliveries are expected in the early part of the second half of the year for OEMs have said they will follow suit and by offering the new engine in their models, the largest segment of the trucking market will soon have access to and RMG solution. And this could not come at a better time for our industry and costs. Rng as a transportation fuel is becoming more mainstream. During the last quarter, our customer base volumes grew with fleets that operate in the ports of L.A. and Long Beach like Lincoln transportation services, ecology, auto parts and cross border Express with transit agencies such as nice bus and Long Island and multiple refuse operator and hot off the press. We recently signed an agreement with SeaMex, one of the largest concrete companies in the world to fuel 40 of their cement trucks. The RNG industry recently not that significant victory with the Mexico passing legislation to status establish a low carbon fuel program. We believe this demonstrates the acceptance of these programs as a good way to address emissions issues that continue to expand. There are positive signs that other important states in the Midwest and Northeast could soon follow.
Three years ago, we established our fourth pillar with the formation of joint ventures with BP and Total Energies to invest directly in RNG production facilities at dairies in the U.S., we did this because we believe in RNG as a long-term solution and our industry needs more RNG to meet growing demand, saw an opportunity to invest our capital at attractive returns in these projects while augmenting the third party RNG supply.
I just mentioned, and we are doing just that today, Clean Energy has invested $238 million of our capital into these joint ventures and another $35 million of our own funds in the future. Our energy dairy projects, six projects have completed construction and are operating are at or are in final commissioning. New projects are in or near construction and we continue to evaluate others in our pipeline. Seeing these projects online is no small feat fires, complex engineering, construction operations and regulatory approvals. The world needs this ultra low carbon fuel and our industry needs to produce it more efficiently. We have the right platform and the right partners to take on this challenge. And we are on the path to achieving improvements in project cost and time. Bob will go into more detail. But when these projects come online, they have a ramp up period of about nine to 12 months where the project is producing gas, but not yet monetizing federal and state environmental credits. This brought five projects coming online at the beginning of this year. This ramp up period will have a negative drag on our financials in 2024 until we can monetize the RNG produced with environmental credits used to virtually store R&G until the regulatory pathways are certified to maximize revenue from environmental credits. This will create a lag in revenue recognition while operating costs are being recognized at the time we produce the renewable gas. This is an accounting and regulatory feature of our industry that we want investors understand and should not detract from our successful completion of dairy RNG projects, all producing ultra-low emissions, fuel that we supply to our customer. This is also more amplified as we are starting from zero in the upstream production of RNG. As we bring more projects online, the glaring financial startup impact should be muted by projects operating at full financial capabilities. And the first pillar of our business strategy is the fact that we have a strong balance sheet to fund our continued growth in both stations and RNG projects. In December, we announced a $400 million term loan facility with Stonepeak, $300 million was funded at close and an additional $100 million can be drawn by us for a two year commitment period. We have secured the capital needed for our next phase of growth, and we are pleased to be partnered with a well-respected infrastructure investment firm like Stonepeak, our existing station footprint is well positioned to support additional volumes from new customers. We also expect opportunities to expand our network with new stations strategically positioned for our customers like our stations, we have built to benefit Amazon over the last three to four months. We've opened two stations for heavy-duty trucks in Texas, filling California, a second one in Ohio and others around the country, bringing the total in 2023 to 18 purpose-built stations. Amazon continues also utilize over 75 other Clean Energy stations on any given day.
This could be the year, not if NatGas stays under $2. A bit from the transcript
The second pillar and one that sets us apart from virtually any other company is that Clean Energy has the leading network of RNG distribution stations in North America, which enable our customers to achieve their low-carbon goals by supplying RNG to their fleets. Many of our stations are strategically located on important trucking corridors with public fueling access for existing and future customers. And that number is growing with the opening of stations where Amazon operates as our anchor customer. Some of our stations are customer-owned, where we provide services and suppliers.
The third pillar of our business is how we work with our customers in many ways beyond just the sale of fuel. This includes education on the benefits of RNG and achieving emission goals, product procurement, operational support, station construction and servicing facility modification and navigating the complex world of sustainability reporting public policy and grant applications. Clean energy is also the largest distributor of third party RNG production to the transportation industry by our customers with RNG from over 100 different production sources. We are the largest off-taker and the business cannot be more pleased to extend our network and our service offerings to a vast group of fleets that will soon be able to adopt RNG vehicles.
Thanks to Cummins new X15 and engine, which is a catalyst for our growth feedback from the fleets operating the test units of this engine has been very positive. Back are as recently opened the order book for trucks equipped with the x15N. and commercial deliveries are expected in the early part of the second half of the year for OEMs have said they will follow suit and by offering the new engine in their models, the largest segment of the trucking market will soon have access to and RMG solution. And this could not come at a better time for our industry and costs. Rng as a transportation fuel is becoming more mainstream. During the last quarter, our customer base volumes grew with fleets that operate in the ports of L.A. and Long Beach like Lincoln transportation services, ecology, auto parts and cross border Express with transit agencies such as nice bus and Long Island and multiple refuse operator and hot off the press. We recently signed an agreement with SeaMex, one of the largest concrete companies in the world to fuel 40 of their cement trucks. The RNG industry recently not that significant victory with the Mexico passing legislation to status establish a low carbon fuel program. We believe this demonstrates the acceptance of these programs as a good way to address emissions issues that continue to expand. There are positive signs that other important states in the Midwest and Northeast could soon follow.
Three years ago, we established our fourth pillar with the formation of joint ventures with BP and Total Energies to invest directly in RNG production facilities at dairies in the U.S., we did this because we believe in RNG as a long-term solution and our industry needs more RNG to meet growing demand, saw an opportunity to invest our capital at attractive returns in these projects while augmenting the third party RNG supply.
I just mentioned, and we are doing just that today, Clean Energy has invested $238 million of our capital into these joint ventures and another $35 million of our own funds in the future. Our energy dairy projects, six projects have completed construction and are operating are at or are in final commissioning. New projects are in or near construction and we continue to evaluate others in our pipeline. Seeing these projects online is no small feat fires, complex engineering, construction operations and regulatory approvals. The world needs this ultra low carbon fuel and our industry needs to produce it more efficiently. We have the right platform and the right partners to take on this challenge. And we are on the path to achieving improvements in project cost and time. Bob will go into more detail. But when these projects come online, they have a ramp up period of about nine to 12 months where the project is producing gas, but not yet monetizing federal and state environmental credits. This brought five projects coming online at the beginning of this year. This ramp up period will have a negative drag on our financials in 2024 until we can monetize the RNG produced with environmental credits used to virtually store R&G until the regulatory pathways are certified to maximize revenue from environmental credits. This will create a lag in revenue recognition while operating costs are being recognized at the time we produce the renewable gas. This is an accounting and regulatory feature of our industry that we want investors understand and should not detract from our successful completion of dairy RNG projects, all producing ultra-low emissions, fuel that we supply to our customer. This is also more amplified as we are starting from zero in the upstream production of RNG. As we bring more projects online, the glaring financial startup impact should be muted by projects operating at full financial capabilities. And the first pillar of our business strategy is the fact that we have a strong balance sheet to fund our continued growth in both stations and RNG projects. In December, we announced a $400 million term loan facility with Stonepeak, $300 million was funded at close and an additional $100 million can be drawn by us for a two year commitment period. We have secured the capital needed for our next phase of growth, and we are pleased to be partnered with a well-respected infrastructure investment firm like Stonepeak, our existing station footprint is well positioned to support additional volumes from new customers. We also expect opportunities to expand our network with new stations strategically positioned for our customers like our stations, we have built to benefit Amazon over the last three to four months. We've opened two stations for heavy-duty trucks in Texas, filling California, a second one in Ohio and others around the country, bringing the total in 2023 to 18 purpose-built stations. Amazon continues also utilize over 75 other Clean Energy stations on any given day.
Another miserable quarter for this POS of a company how long will shareholders stand by and let this executive team and board kill shareholders valve? HOW LONG?????
Actually, after he adopted me ( he enjoyed munching on the stuff I dug up in the garden). I found out from neighbors that he'd been around for years. When he was attacked by the cat they chipped in on the vet bill but the damage was too severe. He lasted for more than five years - I don't have an exact date.
definitely pen raised
they don't last for long, on the outside
Yes, I reverted to an old signature because it reminded me of a simpler time. I moved into a new neighborhood, ...
...I had tame cockatiels that I spoiled and bred.
While working in my garden I was approached by a male pheasant who was probably an escapee from a local game farm.
We established a relationship...
He was attacked by a neighborhood cat, I am allergic to cats and had asked a neighbor not to allow his "kitten" to roam free due to personal health concerns.
A year later my friend the pheasant was mortally wounded,
Such is life...
Submission to predators is a denial of one's personal "raison d'être"
I DO NOT SUBMIT...
those are MAAS digesters - poor design, nothing but problems, Littlefair - fool
Male Pheasant (otherwise referred to as a "cock")
littlefair is a "hen", or female pheasant
A little setback for CNG powered trucking?
Serious question -
Will this reflect in a change of sentiment for RNG and ultimately CLNE?
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/firefighters-in-critical-condition-after-cylinder-explosion-in-wilmington/amp/
my view, it’s a small setback for RNG/CNG but CLNE has much bigger internal issues
spec
CLNE - dead money - business plan, from inception - LNG Class 8 LNG focused
Andrew Littlefair - manipulative brown-noser - ZERO business experience/accuity
1st hand observation - 5th wife, Madeleine, liquidating CLNE marriage payoff @ 21+
FYI - Pickens - never ever a billionaire - made money, once, early 80's - Greenmailer
Life-long, wholly dishonest, intensively abusive, gambling addict - died, broke 2019
$75M for the two latest manure digesters financed through a side deal associated with CLNE
Taxpayer subsidies, no doubt, weigh heavily in the matter
Either you understand what the game is here or you’re on the hook as a donor to this not-for-profit scheme
CLNE is not designed (or operated) to create shareholder value
The math is remarkably bad
What’s the carbon footprint of that $75M spent?
What’s the math that shows where either the investment payback or carbon reduction are?
No wonder they describe the process output as “gallons” of RNG
LOL - convert that to BTUs for a laugh (or a cry if you’re stuck holding the bag on this perpetual cash drain)
RNG = good
Cummins nat gas or LNG diesels = great
Manure anaerobic digestion to produce methane = great (if done in an economically sustainable and efficient manner)
CLNE will never turn a sustainable profit with its current business model
So the only benefit of buying CLNE stock is “good feelings for helping save the planet”
And tax loss write offs
Why not be honest and just register the business as a non profit?
That might put a crimp on the executive compensation packages
spec
Never a positive comment from any posters. But here is one, or two
This allows RNG to be one of the only fuels to receive a negative carbon-intensity score based on the reduction of emissions at the source and at the vehicle.
Couple this with Cummins new 15liter NatGas engine and many positive comments from the truckers who are using this engine and one can see
a future for Clean and this fuel.
Three new RNG facilities in the last 6 months producing 3 million gallons.
Should be a good year in 2024
I'm not trying to discourage your position but facts or facts. I have been invested since 2005 and this company has NEVER had a quarterly profit without a government subsidy NEVER! At some point you have to question the plan and/or the leadership and in this case questioning both is probably accurate. The red flags for me have been big oil has been willing to lend funds to this company but none have found it interesting enough to acquire it, which also speaks volumes about the lack of attraction of this company leadership. In these times of social consciousness about the environment we will see how well this company will do in a environment that speaks to their interests?
Why can’t CLNE turn a profit?
Over hyped, under performing
I’ve spoken the truth here
Some just choose to be victims of the illusion and phony virtue
RNG is just Ethanol 2.0
A huge waste of money driven by the fact that a portion of the cash flow falls directly into the pockets of the snake oil salesmen
Some people just can’t handle the truth
spec
If you go back in time when CLNE was first formed you'll understand how Ev's played a major force in Cleans history.
T Boone and Littlefair formed CLNE to compete in the world of transportation to become independent of middle eastern oil.
T Boone actually drove a natgas powered Honda. Their main focus was in trucking, buses, and refuse vehicles. Class 6 thru 8 trucks.
Excellent idea considering this country has well over a 100 year supply of this fuel. Enter companies like Proterra. Ev bus maker that got a 800 million
dollar loan from uncle sam and last year declared bankrupt. Many of their buses didn't work out as expected. Also a number of EV class 8 trucks
Trying to compete with diesel and Natgas. Tesla and others. All being hyped as being the next best alternative. Not working out very well. Batteries loosing half their charge in zero temps. Much more costly. Not to mention once again becoming dependent on foreign countries for the raw material. CHINA!!
Today there are many more NatGas vehicles operating than what we all are aware. WM, UPS, Walmart, and many others to name a few.
I could keep going but this should give you enough information to realize how Ev's play a role.
Bottom line. At what point does Clean become a profitable endeavor? Under $3 natgas doesn't help.
If you go back in time when CLNE was first formed you'll understand how Ev's played a major force in Cleans history.
T Boone and Littlefair formed CLNE to compete in the world of transportation to become independent of middle eastern oil.
T Boone actually drove a natgas powered Honda. Their main focus was in trucking, buses, and refuse vehicles. Class 6 thru 8 trucks.
Excellent idea considering this country has well over a 100 year supply of this fuel. Enter companies like Proterra. Ev bus maker that got a 800 million
dollar loan from uncle sam and last year declared bankrupt. Many of their buses didn't work out as expected. Also a number of EV class 8 trucks
Trying to compete with diesel and Natgas. Tesla and others. All being hyped as being the next best alternative. Not working out very well. Batteries loosing half their charge in zero temps. Much more costly. Not to mention once again becoming dependent on foreign countries for the raw material. CHINA!!
Today there are many more NatGas vehicles operating than what we all are aware. WM, UPS, Walmart, and many others to name a few.
I could keep going but this should give you enough information to realize how Ev's play a role.
Bottom line. At what point does Clean become a profitable endeavor? Under $3 natgas doesn't help.
EV has nothing to do with this company! If you are trying to imply that EV creates opportunities for natural gas not buying it! Auto's don't use NG and very few trucks do! Clean Energy was touted as clean energy for the transportation industry hasn't happen! The same CNBC claimed that this company would be debt free by 2019 and here we are five years later and they are still building infrastructure almost tens years later! Boone Pickens isn't coming thru the door Littlefield has been a huge failure! Chesapeake Energy is a >$70 stock and Clean Energy value has lingered at these levels for years never exceeding the 2005 high (the profitable quarters only occurred because of government welfare)! The business plan sucks or the leadership is incompetent, I choose the later!
I'm sure you've seen the stories on EV charging stations freezing up. Cars as well unable to operate because of the cold.
I remember having this argument years ago with a short seller who insisted this wasn't a problem. Well look whats happened now
freeze ups all over in Chicago land. Wonder how many will switch back to an ICE?
CNBC reported this am on NatGas. Hope you all had time to hear what they had to say.
Totally nailed the situation.
Data is data but in order for a company to be successful there has to be a plan that is executionable and leadership to implement the plan. This leadership and board has only demonstrated the ability to create debt! This company has been in the red for decades and the present leadership hasn't demonstrated that they know how to get this company in the black!
When no one seems to be paying attention....that is when to buy!!!
Did anyone see the sales predictions of CMI's new 15 liter NatGas engine!!!! They're conservative,imo
Check the latest news. Financing, 400 million from Stonepeak, where they mention CMI's new engine and the companies that are using it.
Like I said it is a game changer, just watch.
Oil and gas seem to have hit bottom as of late. Many are expecting oil to hit $100.00 soon. We'll have to watch as NatGas will move up as well
I believe you might have intended to reply to my post on this new CMI 15 liter engine. Let me explain why this engine is a game changer.
First, this could be the most revolutionary engine ever produced to burn nat gas / RNG. The HP and Torque rating are very similar to any of the current diesel engines out there. This is most important when drivers are asked for comments. Nest it is lighter in weight. This enables more payload for those who need it.
Longevity is increased which lowers cost. Lastly, but in the news is emissions. The best among any ICE in use today.
All this will improve a truckers bottom line. So this is why I call this a game changer!!
One suggestion going forward. Watch CMI's engine production numbers!!!!
Good luck