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Doctor_Hari_Seldon

03/30/14 7:48 PM

#263686 RE: User336447 #263590

Interesting set of links.

Scanning through them, I thought I found one that would give some process performance parameters, but did not find any yet. Maybe you can help point me to such information.

I am particularly interested in what is called the 'Exergy' of the process. But anything that provides a good indication of the raw input BTU is needed to produce a unit of material, as compared to the final product heating value in btu per unit, would be of interest.

For example only, there was a time, and still is for most processes, that to produce 1 liter of ethanol, it takes more energy than you get out of a liter of ethanol. Byt the time you get the seed, cultivate, plant, cost and power and water use for irrigation, harvesting, collection, transport, pre-process, process, ferment, heat, boil, distill, cool, collect and contain, the total energy used to do all that is why it is more than you ever hope to get out of it by burning it. Newer processes utlizing special feedstock has improved on that, but not by a tremendous amount. The result, is that as an alternate energy source, ethanol, while touted by many, is really a stupid thing to produce. If you want a farm program, or simply need to convert the energy from one form to another for a particular type of storage or use, well then there can be some merit. But from an energy supply standpoint it is a lousy and often a net-negative energy supply.

I would suspect P2O has some similar issues, but somewhat less complicated by the extent of the peripheral processes involved.

Suffice to say, I am not poo pooing it. Just wondering if the majority of the benefit is to simply transform the waste and not landfill it rather than being a good source of TRUE alternative energy. If so, that still does not make it bad, it just needs to be understood so its use is not misapplied and to avoid any net-negative energy scenarios or anything close to them.

Any honest input would be appreciated.

HS
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Crossbone09

03/30/14 9:26 PM

#263690 RE: User336447 #263590

I scanned thru the links but didn't see an answer to my question. What happens when these companies decide they have a value in the plastic that needs to be recycled? Does JBI have contracts in place with these companies?
Maybe it's in a link I over looked.
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User336447

04/04/14 6:04 PM

#264423 RE: User336447 #263590

New to JBII? Read these links!!!

China has made Green Fence permanent. Not even accepting 3-7 plastics! US will be forced to step up recycling!!!


Transforming the Non-Recycled Plastics of New York City to Synthetic Oil
http://www.seas.columbia.edu/earth/wtert/sofos/ms_thesis/Demetra%20T_Thesis%20Final%20Rev%20for%20publication_April%2018.pdf
http://proceedings.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1764710

Viable Production of Diesel From Non-Recyclable Waste Plastics
http://www.plastic2oil.com/site/nawtec-paper

Metro Waste Authority Feasibility study compares P2O to other processes!
http://www.mwatoday.com/webres/File/about-us/2013_Alternative_Disposal_Feasibility_Study.pdf

JBI on Discovery Planet

http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/#clip641572

Customize/edit the JBI share price matrix to numbers you feel are reasonable! It is an amazing tool to help you predict JBI's profitability!
DOWNLOAD JBI PRICE MATRIX 2.9 HERE
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93018379/Excel/Koolmoto_JBI_v2.9.xls

Heddle Marine feature on the daily planet, “Heddle runs a tight ship!” http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/daily-planet/march-2014/daily-planet---march-7th-2014/#clip1072917

End of the road for landfill and incinerated plastics?
http://www.icheme.org/media_centre/news/2014/end-of-the-road-for-landfill-and-incinerated-plastics.aspx

92% of plastic goes to landfill in the USA
http://visual.ly/92-plastic-goes-landfill-usa

Hallmark, Kaleidoscope and JBI
http://www.hallmarkkaleidoscope.com/crayola-colorcycle/

Crayola Marker Recycling Project- Final video for CES


Channel 4 News: markers into fuel


Fox News: A work of Art
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/03/work-art-crayola-turning-markers-into-fuel/

Crayola Colorycle TKN Segment:


Madison County Says Sale Price of a P2O Processor is $8-$9M EACH! PAGE 29
https://www.madisoncounty.ny.gov/sites/default/files/march_2014.pdf

Bangladesh is looking for a JBI P2O to handle their horrible plastic waste problem!
https://www.theseus.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/53056/Rana_Md.Sohel.pdf?sequence=1

Allstar CFO joins JBII! Guess what? He speaks Bengali, language of Bangladesh!
http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140318-908065.html

China Declares War on Pollution
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/China-Declares-War-on-Pollution.html

US researchers analyse fuels made from plastic-derived oil
http://www.icis.com/resources/news/2014/03/07/9760750/us-researchers-analyse-fuels-made-from-plastic-derived-oil/

New Plastic to Oil Technology Alliance
http://www.americanchemistry.com/Media/PressReleasesTranscripts/ACC-news-releases/ACCs-Plastics-Division-Forms-New-Plastics-to-Oil-Technologies-Alliance.html

Energy Recovery
http://www.plastics.ca/EnvironmentalSustainability/EnergyRecovery/index.php

Report: Gasification R&D Focuses on Non-Recycled Plastics
http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?doc_id=269499&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_alt,bid_27,aid_269499&dfpLayout=blog

Why recycling is so hard
http://ecoramblings.com/why-all-plastic-containers-cant-be-recycled/

Reverse chemistry making inroads in fuel production
http://www.plasticstoday.com/blogs/reverse-chemistry-making-inroads-fuel-production

Mike Biddle: Why plastic is still 'the last frontier' of recycling
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/circular-economy-environment

SIMs NYC, a perfect place for a p2o cluster!
http://us.simsmm.com/Newsroom/Sunset

What is JBI's CRL level?
http://www.terutalk.com/2014-Newsletter-V-IV-3.html

Zorba Industries Declares Itself as Indias First Successful Plastic Pyrolysis Plant
http://businesswireindia.com/news/news-details/zorba-industries-declares-itself-as-indias-first-successful-plastic-py/37844

Clean Tech Crash 60 Minutes
http://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes/video/6L6Mt_t61eKhZrZ26bOrpJgcFOE1ZK_b/the-cleantech-crash/

American Chemistry Council and Columbia Earth Engineering Center on non- recyclable PlasticPlastic
http://www.americanchemistry.com/Media/PressReleasesTranscripts/ACC-news-releases/New-Study-Non-Recycled-Plastics-Could-Contribute-Supply-of-Alternative-Energy-to-US-Economy.html

ENERGY AND ECONOMIC VALUE OF NONRECYCLED PLASTICS (NRP) AND MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTES (MSW) THAT ARE CURRENTLY LANDFILLED IN THE FIFTY STATES
http://journalistsresource.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Report-from-Columbia-Universitys-Earth-Engineering-Center.pdf

KiOR: Dilution Is Inevitable
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1720272-kior-dilution-is-inevitable

Crayola And JBI's Plastic2Oil Partner Up For Colorcycle Program
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1370761-crayola-and-jbis-plastic2oil-partner-up-for-colorcycle-program

JBI Inc. plays with crayons and markers
http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/print-edition/2013/09/27/jbi-inc-plays-with-crayons-and-markers.html

JBI, Inc. Announces Initial Third Quarter 2013 Fuel Production, Files Form 10-Q for Second Quarter 2013, Announces Board and Governance Changes, and $3 Million Secured Debt Commitment
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jbi-inc-announces-initial-third-120000877.html

Plastic2Oil Converts Waste Plastic to Fuel
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=plastic2oil-converts-waste-plastic-2011-07

Hong Kong's very real plastic problem
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1260078/hong-kongs-very-real-plastic-problem

China Recycling Cleanup Jolts Global Industry
http://www.irrawaddy.org/asia/china-recycling-cleanup-jolts-global-industry.html

Rwanda: Without Recycling, Waste Will Become a Big Problem
http://allafrica.com/stories/201306110274.html

Kudumbasree workers caught in plastic conundrum
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/kozhikode/kudumbasree-workers-caught-in-plastic-conundrum/article4994982.ece

What is Energy Recovery?
http://chemistrytoenergy.com/energy-recovery/energy-recovery-detail-page

Diverting Plastics from Landfills: A Two-pronged Approach
http://chemistrytoenergy.com/diverting-plastics-landfills-two-pronged-approach

Plastic Waste Is a Hazard for Subalpine Lakes Too
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131007122539.htm

Plastic waste threatens lakes as well as oceans
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24434378

The Truth Shall Set You Free
http://ensoplastics.com/theblog/?p=2112

JBII Complete Summary DD. SAIC(NYSE): $10M/Yr/Processor!
Including SAIC Audit leaked document!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=92082026

Fluid Movement
http://www.rewmag.com/rew1013-technology-plastics-to-oil.aspx

In the Future, We Will Mine for Plastic
http://www.nextnature.net/2012/05/in-the-future-we-will-mine-for-plastic/
http://www.nextnature.net/tag/plastic-planet/

John Bordynuik's 'Plastic Eating Monster'
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/plastic-waste-as-fuel.html

Future Thinking smile MADISON COUNTY AGRICULTURE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY (ARE) BUSINESS PARK, LINCOLN, NY (Page 239 of the report)
http://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Statewide-Initiatives/Cleaner-Greener-Communities/Regional-Sustainability-Plans/-/media/Files/About/Statewide%20Initiatives/CGC%20Plans/Central%20NY%20CGC%20Plan%20Report.pdf
http://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Statewide-Initiatives/Cleaner-Greener-Communities/Regional-Sustainability-Plans/Central-New-York.aspx

ColorCycle - Now city hall and other locations are jumping aboard. Las Vegas makes the news!
http://www.publicnewsservice.org/2013-12-04/environment/city-of-lv-recycling-art-supplies-for-renewable-energy/a36050-1
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/dec/02/nv-marker-recycling-vegas/








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User336447

04/12/14 8:04 PM

#265338 RE: User336447 #263590

New to JBII? Read these links!!!

China has made Green Fence permanent. Not even accepting 3-7 plastics! US will be forced to step up recycling!!!


Transforming the Non-Recycled Plastics of New York City to Synthetic Oil
http://www.seas.columbia.edu/earth/wtert/sofos/ms_thesis/Demetra%20T_Thesis%20Final%20Rev%20for%20publication_April%2018.pdf
http://proceedings.asmedigitalcollection.asme.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1764710

Viable Production of Diesel From Non-Recyclable Waste Plastics
http://www.plastic2oil.com/site/nawtec-paper

Metro Waste Authority Feasibility study compares P2O to other processes!
http://www.mwatoday.com/webres/File/about-us/2013_Alternative_Disposal_Feasibility_Study.pdf

JBI on Discovery Planet

http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/#clip641572

Customize/edit the JBI share price matrix to numbers you feel are reasonable! It is an amazing tool to help you predict JBI's profitability!
DOWNLOAD JBI PRICE MATRIX 2.9 HERE
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/93018379/Excel/Koolmoto_JBI_v2.9.xls

"...first projects to be supported by the Circularity Center is ‘Plastic to Oil’."
http://www.wendelgroup.com/en/our-companies-news_17_3205.html

Heddle Marine feature on the daily planet, “Heddle runs a tight ship!” http://watch.discoverychannel.ca/daily-planet/march-2014/daily-planet---march-7th-2014/#clip1072917

End of the road for landfill and incinerated plastics?
http://www.icheme.org/media_centre/news/2014/end-of-the-road-for-landfill-and-incinerated-plastics.aspx

92% of plastic goes to landfill in the USA
http://visual.ly/92-plastic-goes-landfill-usa

Hallmark, Kaleidoscope and JBI
http://www.hallmarkkaleidoscope.com/crayola-colorcycle/

Crayola Marker Recycling Project- Final video for CES


Channel 4 News: markers into fuel


Fox News: A work of Art
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/09/03/work-art-crayola-turning-markers-into-fuel/

Crayola Colorycle TKN Segment:


Madison County Says Sale Price of a P2O Processor is $8-$9M EACH! PAGE 29
https://www.madisoncounty.ny.gov/sites/default/files/march_2014.pdf

Bangladesh is looking for a JBI P2O to handle their horrible plastic waste problem!
https://www.theseus.fi/bitstream/handle/10024/53056/Rana_Md.Sohel.pdf?sequence=1

Allstar CFO joins JBII! Guess what? He speaks Bengali, language of Bangladesh!
http://online.wsj.com/article/PR-CO-20140318-908065.html

China Declares War on Pollution
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/China-Declares-War-on-Pollution.html

US researchers analyse fuels made from plastic-derived oil
http://www.icis.com/resources/news/2014/03/07/9760750/us-researchers-analyse-fuels-made-from-plastic-derived-oil/

New Plastic to Oil Technology Alliance
http://www.americanchemistry.com/Media/PressReleasesTranscripts/ACC-news-releases/ACCs-Plastics-Division-Forms-New-Plastics-to-Oil-Technologies-Alliance.html

Energy Recovery
http://www.plastics.ca/EnvironmentalSustainability/EnergyRecovery/index.php

Report: Gasification R&D Focuses on Non-Recycled Plastics
http://www.designnews.com/author.asp?doc_id=269499&dfpPParams=ind_183,industry_alt,bid_27,aid_269499&dfpLayout=blog

Why recycling is so hard
http://ecoramblings.com/why-all-plastic-containers-cant-be-recycled/

Reverse chemistry making inroads in fuel production
http://www.plasticstoday.com/blogs/reverse-chemistry-making-inroads-fuel-production

Mike Biddle: Why plastic is still 'the last frontier' of recycling
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/circular-economy-environment

SIMs NYC, a perfect place for a p2o cluster!
http://us.simsmm.com/Newsroom/Sunset

What is JBI's CRL level?
http://www.terutalk.com/2014-Newsletter-V-IV-3.html

Zorba Industries Declares Itself as Indias First Successful Plastic Pyrolysis Plant
http://businesswireindia.com/news/news-details/zorba-industries-declares-itself-as-indias-first-successful-plastic-py/37844

Clean Tech Crash 60 Minutes
http://www.cbs.com/shows/60_minutes/video/6L6Mt_t61eKhZrZ26bOrpJgcFOE1ZK_b/the-cleantech-crash/

American Chemistry Council and Columbia Earth Engineering Center on non- recyclable PlasticPlastic
http://www.americanchemistry.com/Media/PressReleasesTranscripts/ACC-news-releases/New-Study-Non-Recycled-Plastics-Could-Contribute-Supply-of-Alternative-Energy-to-US-Economy.html

ENERGY AND ECONOMIC VALUE OF NONRECYCLED PLASTICS (NRP) AND MUNICIPAL SOLID WASTES (MSW) THAT ARE CURRENTLY LANDFILLED IN THE FIFTY STATES
http://journalistsresource.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Report-from-Columbia-Universitys-Earth-Engineering-Center.pdf

KiOR: Dilution Is Inevitable
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1720272-kior-dilution-is-inevitable

Crayola And JBI's Plastic2Oil Partner Up For Colorcycle Program
http://seekingalpha.com/article/1370761-crayola-and-jbis-plastic2oil-partner-up-for-colorcycle-program

JBI Inc. plays with crayons and markers
http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/print-edition/2013/09/27/jbi-inc-plays-with-crayons-and-markers.html

JBI, Inc. Announces Initial Third Quarter 2013 Fuel Production, Files Form 10-Q for Second Quarter 2013, Announces Board and Governance Changes, and $3 Million Secured Debt Commitment
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/jbi-inc-announces-initial-third-120000877.html

Plastic2Oil Converts Waste Plastic to Fuel
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=plastic2oil-converts-waste-plastic-2011-07

Hong Kong's very real plastic problem
http://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1260078/hong-kongs-very-real-plastic-problem

China Recycling Cleanup Jolts Global Industry
http://www.irrawaddy.org/asia/china-recycling-cleanup-jolts-global-industry.html

Rwanda: Without Recycling, Waste Will Become a Big Problem
http://allafrica.com/stories/201306110274.html

Kudumbasree workers caught in plastic conundrum
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/kozhikode/kudumbasree-workers-caught-in-plastic-conundrum/article4994982.ece

What is Energy Recovery?
http://chemistrytoenergy.com/energy-recovery/energy-recovery-detail-page

Diverting Plastics from Landfills: A Two-pronged Approach
http://chemistrytoenergy.com/diverting-plastics-landfills-two-pronged-approach

Plastic Waste Is a Hazard for Subalpine Lakes Too
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/10/131007122539.htm

Plastic waste threatens lakes as well as oceans
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24434378

The Truth Shall Set You Free
http://ensoplastics.com/theblog/?p=2112

JBII Complete Summary DD. SAIC(NYSE): $10M/Yr/Processor!
Including SAIC Audit leaked document!
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=92082026

Fluid Movement
http://www.rewmag.com/rew1013-technology-plastics-to-oil.aspx

In the Future, We Will Mine for Plastic
http://www.nextnature.net/2012/05/in-the-future-we-will-mine-for-plastic/
http://www.nextnature.net/tag/plastic-planet/

John Bordynuik's 'Plastic Eating Monster'
http://www.inspirationgreen.com/plastic-waste-as-fuel.html

Future Thinking smile MADISON COUNTY AGRICULTURE AND RENEWABLE ENERGY (ARE) BUSINESS PARK, LINCOLN, NY (Page 239 of the report)
http://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Statewide-Initiatives/Cleaner-Greener-Communities/Regional-Sustainability-Plans/-/media/Files/About/Statewide%20Initiatives/CGC%20Plans/Central%20NY%20CGC%20Plan%20Report.pdf
http://www.nyserda.ny.gov/Statewide-Initiatives/Cleaner-Greener-Communities/Regional-Sustainability-Plans/Central-New-York.aspx

ColorCycle - Now city hall and other locations are jumping aboard. Las Vegas makes the news!
http://www.publicnewsservice.org/2013-12-04/environment/city-of-lv-recycling-art-supplies-for-renewable-energy/a36050-1
http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2013/dec/02/nv-marker-recycling-vegas/