chuckie2, scratch that idea, there sending me the form to have my shares go back to the TA, and from there I have to have TA send them to me, and beings I'm waiting for a long time, and holding, I'm do just that, then I'll have the Certificates and they still show as the O/S count, and mm's can still created the market, but my shares would require me to send back to TA, before I could sell, so what does one do, me, I'm holding for a long time and starting the process, it'll keep me from selling in a short time frame, but I'm in for the long haul, I'll change my photo as what they will look like