That is the truth onthedge, they don't mind losing face....This last few years has been a series of just that, them losing face. It would be nice for once to see one of them get up from behind the computer and actually walk the walk; go to the lab, talk to the scientists, talk to management, but they never seem to quite make it. Although I heard lmorovan(s) did show up at the last shareholders meeting sporting a 10 gallon cowboy hat. All he came back with to the boards was his complaint that there wasn't any cookies or snacks served.