They cost the company, a lot of money that could have been used, more efficiently internally. Kevin and Tony never left each others side isolating themselves in the office trailers. They had a weirdness to them. Matt didnt help either, they were all complacent in their fiduciary duties to the shareholders but that is all water under the bridge now. John is still the driving force behind this technology. Im surprised he hasnt collapsed from exhaustion working the insane hours he keeps. Rick does front office management, John does the technical stuff. P20 is succeeding slowly but surely.