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Egypt: Youth Remember Martyrs, Reject both Army and Muslim Brotherhood

By Juan Cole | Nov. 19, 2013 |

A couple of thousand demonstrators .. http://tiny.cc/19nb8w .. came into Tahrir Square on Monday evening to commemorate the massacre of protestors at Muhammad Mahmoud St. off Tahrir Square in downtown Cairo on November 19, 2011. The commemoration continued Tuesday morning. One of their signs said “Revolutionaries only: No entry for Muslim Brothers, the Military, or remnants of the Mubarak regime”:



h/t Helena Hägglund ?@helenahagglund

Those killed beginning that day in 2011 (some 40 altogether over weeks) died at the hands of the army, which had made a coup after the fall of Hosni Mubarak. Commemorating the dead of Muhammad Mahmoud St. is therefore symbolically at odds with the prevailing sentiment in much of Egypt now, that “the people and the army are one hand.”

Reuters reports on the lead-up to last night’s events .. http://youtu.be/PKIZh5BAqFU :

Many of those who showed up Monday evening had been at the original demonstration two years ago. This is probably the biggest protest by the “Third Square” forces who reject both military rule and the failed presidency of Muslim Brotherhood leader Muhammad Morsi.

The crowd defaced with graffiti the statue in memory to the revolution’s martyrs by the army (the irony was lost on no one).

Here is video from Monday night .. http://youtu.be/2tcgyiSntEE :

The crowd was chanting “Fall, fall the State Security Police”, condemning Egypt’s notorious secret police.

http://www.juancole.com/2013/11/revolutionary-commemorate-brotherhood.html

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hmmm, interesting and I'll say this here, but it is a reply to your post by Juan Cole ... really? .... I mean REALLY? .. . The "Youth" .. doesn't seem to know what they want, right? ..o.k.? .. They are the ones who put Morsi over the top to win the first election for President that Egypt ever had .. ;) . .AND the YOUTH.. camped out one more time (god it's been so many times ) ... when Morsi was doing his dictator stuff . .and YELLED and SCREECHED and BEGGED the Military to get MORSI OUT! .. .good god .. Morsi and all those others belong in jail .. They broke out of jail, just in 2011 during the time of the mess of Mubarak.. and everyone was under siege in Egypt so nothing was done about it then .. . Lock them UP again .. The Muslim Brotherhood as far as I can see sucks! ... . .they had the most wonderful chance and they just blew it ... . so .....The YOUTH praised and clapped and yelled raised stuff when celebrating General Al Sisi's .. removal of Morsi .........they got what they wanted THEN and BEFORE, three times they have gotten what they wanted ... and ... now they want something different ... I want them to grow up..

The Military saved the Youth from Mubarak, when they were camping out in Tahrir Square.. Mubarak police force were killing them like flies . AND the military was their SAVIOR . .then.

The Military took over and set up the government for an election .. ( The YOUTH wanted that) .. they got it . .

If I remember correctly there was 'maybe' four candidates .. . maybe one got disqualified .. not sure .... BUT there wasn't enough votes for the one that 'the youth' REALLY WANTED .. so it became a run off between . .the Brotherhood .. and a Mubarak guy ... nice choice huh? .. lol ...

Anyway.. The youth decided that they would prefer Morsi to the other one .. I can't say I blame them . .give someone new a chance.. why NOT ? ..

Well, we found out Why NOT. He SCREWED everything up again .. and One more time the YOUth were out and begging the military to save them .... and they did ...

.............lol .. I hope I made how I feel about this clear. Seriously . .it's a mess .. but isn't everything over there? .. Turkey makes the most sense to me ...but even there I'd have to know more .. just looks more solid .. . .jeez, so so messy . .making it sooo too bad! And the people continue to suffer.

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Egypt's former president Mohammed Morsi dies in court

"[ 2nd trial ] .. Egypt's Morsi charged with 'terrorist acts'
Deposed President Mohamed Morsi will stand trial on charges of "conspiring with foreign groups"."

Updated about 5 hours ago


Photo: Egypt's ousted Islamist President Mohammed Morsi,
pictured in 2014, died suddenly in court. (AP: Tarek el-Gabbas, File)
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Egypt's former president, Mohammed Morsi, the Muslim Brotherhood leader who rose to office in the country's first free elections in 2012 and was ousted a year later by the military, has collapsed in court during an espionage trial and died, according to state TV and his family.

Key points:

* Morsi collapsed in a glass cage minutes after warning he had "many secrets" he could reveal

* He was the first democratically elected leader in modern Egypt

* The Muslim Brotherhood accused the Egyptian Government of "assassinating" Morsi through years of poor prison conditions

Morsi died from a sudden heart attack during the court session, state television reported early on Tuesday (local time), citing a medical source.

The source said Morsi, who was suffering from a benign tumour, had been given continuous medical attention.

Just before his death the 67-year-old had addressed the court, speaking from the glass cage he was kept in during sessions and warning he had "many secrets" he could reveal, a judicial official said.

A few minutes afterwards, he collapsed in the cage, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to talk to the press.

In his final comments, Morsi continued to insist he was Egypt's legitimate president, demanding a special tribunal, one of his defence lawyers, Kamel Madour, said.

State TV said Morsi died before he could be taken to the hospital.

Morsi's son, Ahmed, confirmed his father's death in a Facebook post, adding, "we will meet again with God".

The former president was buried in Cairo early on Tuesday, one day after his courtroom collapse.

Death was 'full-fledged murder', Muslim Brotherhood says


Photo: Morsi had been sentenced to 20 years in prison on charges of ordering Brotherhood
members to break up a protest against him, leading to deaths. (AP: Maya Alleruzzo, file)

The Muslim Brotherhood said the death of Morsi — the first democratically elected head of state in Egypt's modern history — was a "full-fledged murder" and called on Egyptians to gather for a mass funeral.

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Who was Mohammed Morsi?

* An engineer who was born in 1951 and won a parliamentary election after a popular uprising toppled Hosni Mubarak and his military-backed establishment in 2011

* Morsi was a last-minute candidate in the 2012 elections, thrown into the mix when the Muslim Brotherhood's preferred candidate was disqualified

* He had promised a moderate Islamist agenda to steer Egypt into a new democratic era in which autocracy would be replaced by transparent government

* Instead, he alienated millions and was accused of usurping unlimited powers, imposing the Brotherhood's conservative brand of Islam and mismanaging the economy, all of which he denied

* He was removed from office in July 2013 by then-defence minister Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi

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In a statement on its website, the Brotherhood also called for crowds to gather outside Egyptian embassies around the world.

The Brotherhood accused the Egyptian Government of "assassinating" Morsi through years of poor prison conditions during which he was often kept in solitary confinement and barred from visits.

Since his ouster, Morsi and other Brotherhood leaders have been in prison, and put on multiple and lengthy trials.

Morsi was sentenced to 20 years in prison on charges of ordering Brotherhood members to break up a protest against him, resulting in deaths.

Multiple cases are still pending. Monday's session was part of a retrial on charges of espionage with the Palestinian Hamas militant group.

Morsi was held in a special wing in Cairo's Tora prison nicknamed Scorpion Prison. Rights groups say its poor conditions fall far below Egyptian and international standards.

Morsi was known to suffer from diabetes.


Photo: Morsi's supporters run away from tear gas during clashes in Cairo in 2013.
(Reuters: Louafi Larbi )

In audio leaked from a 2017 session of one of his trials, Morsi complained he was "completely isolated" from the court, unable to see or hear his defence team, and the lighting inside his cage hurt his eyes.

"I don't know where I am," he is heard saying in the audio.

"It's steel behind steel and glass behind glass. The reflection of my image makes me dizzy."

Morsi's rise and fall


Photo: Pictured in May 2012, then Muslim Brotherhood's presidential candidate Mohammed
Morsi holds a rally in Cairo. (AP: Fredrik Persson, file)

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What about Egypt? The forgotten revolution

With the world's focus squarely on Islamic State, it's easy to
forget about an Egypt still reeling in the post-Mubarak, post-
Morsi era. But this week provides an opportunity to speak out
against the continuing injustice, writes Diana B Sayed.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-11-06/sayed-egypt-the-forgotten-revolution/5870550

It was a dramatic end for a figure who was central in the twists and turns taken by Egypt since its "revolution" — the pro-democracy uprising that in 2011 ousted the country's long-time authoritarian leader, Hosni Mubarak.

Morsi's Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt's most powerful Islamist group, won the elections held after Mubarak's fall.

It gained a majority in parliament and Morsi squeaked to victory in presidential elections held in 2012, becoming the first civilian to hold the office.

Critics accused the Brotherhood of seeking to monopolise power, enshrine an Islamist constitution and use violence against opponents, with massive protests soon growing against its rule.

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Sarah Leah Whitson
?Verified account @sarahleah1

BREAKING - #Egypt news says only
democratically elected Pres #Morsy has died in
prison after stroke. This is terrible but
ENTIRELY predictable, given govt failure to
allow him adequate medical care, much less
family visits. @hrw was just finalizing a report on
his health.
9:21 AM - 17 Jun 2019
Twitter
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In July 2013, the military — led by then-defence minister Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi — ousted Morsi, dissolved parliament and eventually banned the Brotherhood as a "terrorist group".

Sarah Leah Whitson, Middle East director with the Human Rights Watch, said in a tweet that Morsi's death was "terrible but entirely predictable" given the Government's "failure to allow him adequate medical care, much less family visits".

Mohammed Sudan, leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in London, said Morsi was banned from receiving medicine or visits and there had been little information revealed about his health.

"This is premeditated murder," he said. "This is slow death."

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-06-18/mohammed-morsi-egypts-former-president-dies-in-court/11219096