Replies to post #23040 on The Question and Answer Board (IHUB)

[AKvetch]

Why do you not simply "filter" this person out if they have not otherwise violated the iHub User Agreement?

[fung_derf]

sophist....What if this person turns out being correct?

[greg s]

re: In my opinion, "free speech" should not permit someone to subvert the purpose for which the board was created in the first place.

And what might that high purpose be? Possibly to promote the view of the company proffered by you and your clique while eliminating any dissenting opinion? Free speech is free speech. You cannot shade freedom of speech to fit your own worldview.

I think you guys protest too much. I have never witnessed such an unabashed transparent agenda promotion.

Sophist, indeed!:

The most popular career of a Greek of ability at the time was politics; hence the sophists largely concentrated on teaching rhetoric. The aims of the young politicians whom they trained were to persuade the multitude of whatever they wished them to believed. The search for truth was not top priority. Consequently the sophists undertook to provide a stock of arguments on any subject, or to prove any position. They boasted of their ability to make the worse appear the better reason, to prove that black is white. Some, like Gorgias, asserted that it was not necessary to have any knowledge of a subject to give satisfactory replies as regards it. Thus, Gorgias ostentatiously answered any question on any subject instantly and without consideration. To attain these ends mere quibbling, and the scoring of verbal points were employed. In this way, the sophists tried to entangle, entrap, and confuse their opponents, and even, if this were not possible, to beat them down by mere violence and noise. They sought also to dazzle by means of strange or flowery metaphors, by unusual figures of speech, by epigrams and paradoxes, and in general by being clever and smart, rather than earnest and truthful. Hence our word "sophistry": the use of fallacious arguments knowing them to be such. Early on Sophists were seen to be of merit as people of superior skill or wisdom, as we find in Pindar and Herodotus. We learn from Plato, though, that even in the 5th century there was a prejudice against the name "sophist". By Aristotle's time, the name bore a contemptuous meaning, as he defines "sophist" as one who reasons falsely for the sake of gain.

[gotmilk]

"To Matt:...your finger on the primary problem."

sophist,

A more accurate manner to express might be to say:

"To Matt:...you [touched your] finger on the primary problem."

or,
using what seems like double-talk or babble

"Matt's question is the answer."
"Matt's question contains the answer."
"Matt's question points to the answer, contained in the Trojan Horse."

#msg-756366
The Question and Answer Board (MATT)
Posted by: IH Admin [Matt]
In reply to: Cassandra
Date: 11 Feb 2003
>>Why you think that only those with a financial motive
would take time to post on message boards?
In my opinion (which obviously doesn't fit with yours),
my time is far too valuable to me to be wasting it
on something I won't get a return on.
If I have no interest in seeing something go down or up,
besides pride, then it's a waste of my time...
[STOP.]

sophist,

Let me key on the following words of Matt.

"time, valuable, wasting, return, interest"

and the word "pride" that we all know is a double edge sword
or a coin with 2 sides, one being a postive, and the other a negative,
in that one's pride can help one, or if not understood and placed
under control, can hurt one. I will eventually link pride to a problem,
that to me is the root of the problem discussed, and the attachment
is NOT to those "longs" in an uproar against those one or two identified
posters that i describe as Hot Button Pushers, but to these very few
in number that have placed themselves facing many others with
a result of chaos or conflict between the two sides.

Hint: ratio of 1:100 or 1:1,000 etc
or,
The Bell Curve used to describe many things, like IQ.

First i would like to remove any Project Penny naked shorting activity
described on that iHub board as relevant to this focus even when
that could explain why these few throw a stock board into chaos,
(aka) keep the share price in the toilet.

To me the real reason on why these few post without any reason,
described by Matt as why he would spend time on a company board
without any investment or money reason, is that Bell Curves of IQ.

While IQ is overrated, etc etc, imagine someone of knowned high IQ
to both him or herself, and the populace in general. Now add here
a situation where this person has obtained a high level of status
in regards to title or wealth, but not in terms of "using" their brain power,
as in they obtain a work agenda that delivers the status of being
one of the best of the best, but does not challenge their IQ.

These folks are quite belittled and have low esteem, but its all hidden
inside them, unknowned to the outside world where they appear as
arriving to full potential.

What do they do?

Many times they wake-up each morning to destroy.

Gives them a purpose to obtain an outlet to their ability unused in their
regular life of work and play.

So they search out places where things have been, or are, falling apart.

Easy to destroy, and the more one destroys the more one can obtain
a false sense of accomplishment, as if they created the amount
that they destroyed.

Like i mentioned, on the IQ Bell Curve, they are in the top and have
the ability to obtain "success," even in a negative destruction manner.

History has many example.

For them to validate they role here using freedom of speech
and a need to bring to the table/board the viewpoints not covered
by others is the Trojan Horse. Inside is their agenda to destroy.

Posted by: sophist
In reply to: IH Admin [Matt]
Date: 25 April 2003
To Matt: I believe you put your finger on...
... to be a place where people of good will can...
... no prohibition against discussing the weaknesses...
... a great distraction and frustration [of sincere investors]
of their desire for constructive discussion...
Sophist
[end.]

Doug