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04/17/03 3:03 PM

#22777 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #22771

Bob,

No, I have never personally had an issue on the AMD-Mod thread. I, in no way, mean to slam Mani. He has an impossible and thankless job. Go back and emphasize impossible.

The AMD versus Intel war, as you know, has been going on almost as long as people in the Middle East have been sniping at each other. I see this as a prime example of what is going on at boards such as EDIG and others, only there is not a second company thrown into the mix. In the case at hand, there are the pros and antis.

Back to my case-in-point. For the longest time on SI there were two boards; a public AMD board and a public Intel board. The zealots from each board would occasionally go to the other and put flame bait in the trap. The pros on that board would take the bait. The interesting thing is that I learned a lot (pro and con) on both boards when this would happen, in spite of the sniping that could go on. If things got out of control (happened occasionally), TOU's would get violated. Posters would report the TOU violations. Jill, later Bob would step in. Things got back to normal pretty quickly. This is the model we have now at iHub, only Matt has "helpers" like me who can police the TOU violations quicker.

Then SI decided to offer moderated boards. Now, this isn't "moderated' like on iHub with the managers only able to enforce the site's TOU's (which I think is the magic sauce, BTW.) On SI, moderated means the manager establishes his/her own rules, beyond the site's TOU's. They can unilaterally ban posters if they think their toenails are too long. They can put bannings up for vote, again with the basis for banning beyond the site's TOU's, if that is the desire of the manager.

I have seen horrible instances of what I call "mob rule" in these situations. Valuable, tech-savvy posters being acused of being on the Intel payroll (when I know for a fact they weren't). Then, when they protested a bit too much, WHAM, banned by popular vote. Whoops, there goes one of the folks who really brought "meat" to the technical discussion!

Now, the AMD-Mod thread reads more like "The Fraternal Order of Kool-Aid Drinkers" than the informative, stimulative financial and technical give-and-take that used to exist.

EDIT: To answer the question posed by Matt later, the old non-moderated AMD board became a place where rabid liberals and conservatives beat the hell out of each other, with nary a word spoken about AMD, Intel, or the tech business in general. It was clear that the participants enjoyed sniping at each other on the other camp's board. All the pro-AMD posters moved to the moderated thread. Nature took it's course and the old warfare continued. Only this time it was on the unmoderated Intel board and the moderated AMD board. But the key thing is that a lot of the education and learning stopped ... because one of the boards was moderated, IMO.

Sheet, I've gone on long enough. Bob, you really have the gift of baiting a poster to walk through the door you have unlocked, don't you? <VBG> (That's a BIG compliment).