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08/17/13 11:41 PM

#207911 RE: F6 #207906

on reading it the history was over my head, so just gave her the benefit of the doubt on the French Revolution/1848 stuff .. then i was thinking, yes, it seems to fit the Egyptian situation, though agree that part we all know by now .. then i was thinking .. hey, 'surely it doesn't work like that every time' .. is that roughly at all what you mean by your ..

"though the author's point that moderate Muslims, i.e. those who do want society and government and law that respect the rights of all and accordingly do not want Islamist (or any other) authoritarianism, should not be lumped in with authoritarian Islamists is well-enough taken (and plainly if not painfully obvious without any need to get into her artifices in that piece), her thoroughgoing conflation of 'democratic' with authoritarian oppositions and their participations in overthrows of authoritarian ancien régimes and roles following such overthrows is dully ignorant (at best)" .. ? ..

the last bit .. "and reveals her own asinine (at best) blinders/bias/agenda" .. i
still don't understand .. could you clue me in, just a little bit on what you see that is?

after reading yours earlier, i've been outside since, i got this little one ..

Don’t blame the socialists: A Response to Sheri Berman
Joanne Barkan

From: Dissent
Volume 56, Number 2, Spring 2009
pp. 97-99 | 10.1353/dss.0.0055

Abstract:

Sheri Berman has written an exhortation to the “present day” democratic socialist left in the “Western world” to get over “the loss of its vision of a postcapitalist society,” to stop denigrating efforts to reform capitalism, and to begin agitating for social democratic policies, such as affordable health care, government-supported job retraining, and investment in education (“Unheralded Battle: The Left, Social Democracy, and Democratic Socialism, Dissent, Winter 2009). For Berman, the left will go on failing to respond to political challenges unless democratic socialists start to act like social democrats. My jaw drops. Didn’t democratic socialists begin doing that decades ago? In the United States, haven’t they by now provided many hundreds, perhaps thousands, of troops and leaders to the labor movement, health care reform, and public education? When is the last time a democratic socialist said, “I won’t support public day care because it will delay the collapse of capitalism”? .. http://muse.jhu.edu/journals/dss/summary/v056/56.2.barkan.html

which gave me a tiny insight into at least some of her thinking .. lol .. is there any hint in there for me?