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greg s

04/09/03 10:40 PM

#22425 RE: Mattu #22423

Hi Matt,

I've said this before when the hue and cry went out for multiple message boards for a given stock, but feel compelled to say it again. As a stock board manager, I don't think it is a good idea. You stated that there were maybe 2 stocks that could use multiple boards. I ask "why"? I'll answer my own question. It is because folks can't get along on the one board. They lack the ability to "agree to disagree". They cannot, for some reason, just walk away from flame bait.

Now, how often do you think this happens on all the other stock boards? I'll answer again: All the time. It is the board manager's job (or ultimately your's, if the manager fails) to get discussion back to topic.

Can you imagine how confusing iHub would become if every time disagreements happened on every stock board, the easy solution was taken and an alternate board was started. Don't underestimate the power of setting a precedent. You would be on a very thin logical base if you were to allow it for one or two boards, then refuse future requests. Further, how many boards per stock would you allow. One, two, more? The horse would be out of the barn by then. I could absolutely care less what happens on the EDIG board. I do care what happens when it can impact the board I run or others I enjoy frequenting.

I'll close with this: If you allow alternate boards, force the originators to call the board "Stock XXXX Romper Room". I say this because it is clear that the only reason they need a separate board is because they are too immature to participate in an environment where disagreements can happen.

Sheesh ... isn't that why we have "filter". Yeah, I know filter is (or was?) a feature not available for freebies. But what do they expect for nothin'? A rubber biscuit??


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WTMHouston

04/10/03 12:02 AM

#22431 RE: Mattu #22423

FYI....another copycat

Fat Matt's Rib Shack
1811 Piedmont Avenue NE
Atlanta, GA 30324
770.457.6363

Fat Matt's is open all day and late into the night, serving up live Blues and ribs as sweet as honey. Eat outside (great view of the parking lot) and let the blues soak in.

Located off of I-20 East, 4 miles south of the city.

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0nceinalifetime

04/10/03 12:10 AM

#22432 RE: Mattu #22423

Matt, you raise some good points but on this one you are just plain wrong:

"Yes, I'll stand behind that comment. If a pumper wants to move a stock, he needs new blood. He isn't going to get that from people who are fully educated on the stock and discuss it daily. He has to cover new ground."

I'm not saying this to butt heads but I think you need to consider that the world of pumpers is much broader than what you are contemplating. For example, simple pump and dump is not how the bulk of these scams happen, the regulators are on to that model and it is far, far too easy to detect. No, the modern scammer works on higher volume stocks, over longer periods and with more tools than just message board hype, often working directly with management of the targeted stock and/or institutional money manager who can provide the needed volume. The message board hype just gives him the little tool he needs.

How does all this apply to your comment? Well, you are only considering that the hype might make someone buy the stock for the first time. There are also the cases where the pumper wants existing shareholders to dig deeper and double or even triple their position. This is especially effective if the stock has already made a nice move to the upside after the initial recommendation.

Then there is the hype that is designed to get people to hold on to their shares when recent developments are screaming "SELL"! This gives the pumper more latitude to unload more of his own shares without cratering the price.

There is also the case of the pumper having a verbal agreement with a monied investor. In this case the pumper may be provided with a percentage of the profits in which case he has a lot of incentive to keep existing shareholders from dumping their shares simultaneously with the liquidation of the pumpers partner. So it ain't all about introducing a newbie to the stock. There are supply and timing issues at work here that would be especially effective with a large base of shareholders who regularly turned over some trading shares when it seemed right. There are participants on the IDCC board that claim to control 50,000-100,000 shares and those shares haven't been sitting there since the stock traded at $82 either, they go in and out.

But none of that is a good reason not to have boards where only approved people can participate. I'll let you do that experiment yourself but I think you will find it bad for business. Not only are a majority of your current customers opposed to it and think it will fail but it has another problem as well.

I, for one, will feel a little strange having forked over for full subscription services and yet still not have full access to the site. But if you think it's a non-issue, go for it!

I think others will have a problem paying for a subscription if they know there will still be areas off-limits or areas that they could be kicked out of without breaking any rules. How would someone feel if they bought a lifetime subscription and later were told they were no longer able to post in that room because the moderator decided they weren't contributing the "proper" kind of information? And would non-paying members be allowed to post in these private rooms or would they need to subscribe?

Finally, I don't know what kind of insurance you have but one lawsuit, regardless of it's merits, could really put a big dent in your business. There is no doubt the likelihood of lawsuits (of many different types) are higher when people begin to be excluded and the rules are not the same for all as they are now. Make sure your insurance policy doesn't exclude this sort of situation. You know in America anyone can sue anyone for just about anything.

But it sounds like you are bound and determined to try private rooms and I'm curious to see how the experiment works.

Good luck!

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Lownumba

04/10/03 8:23 AM

#22439 RE: Mattu #22423

Matt, re: "If they want to discuss a stock without a few certain folks part of the discussion, why can't they?" There is a certain devil in the details that I'm sure you have considered. How will the "worthiness" of applicants to a private board be determined? Surely, the uber-zealot(s) on a given public board will apply to moderate the private board. Will he/she/they make the determination?