Laxdaddy I am a TMM stockholder, but not a happy one. Like others but not many I do my homework. I talk to people from both sides and get information and I go and read court filings. Phil may be having trouble with the big words but I can tell you the filings are not that hard to interpret, TMM is going to get crushed. On the Dimension side, no I don't know how far along they are but they have the guys who wrote not only their patent but almost all of the Iterated patents. Sloan didn't write the patents, that wasn't his thing, Hurd and Elton did. Dimension IS where the experts are.