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[StephanieVanbryce]

And today, how odd that the 911 blogger is poohpoohing Obama's Climate Talk.

I say odd because Al Gore,__Al Gore calls Obama climate change speech the best ‘by any president ever’

Today
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/307695-gore-obama-climate-change-speech-the-best-by-any-president-ever#ixzz2XGo9DVMO

Bloomberg News__Obama Sets Limiting Carbon as Priority in Climate Plan

Today
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-25/obama-unveils-climate-plan-to-curb-power-plant-emissions.html

Has Obama Turned Against Keystone?

By Mary Duenwald Jun 25, 2013 2:17 PM PT
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-06-25/has-obama-turned-against-keystone-.html

‘Invest, Divest’: Obama Goes Full Climate Hawk In Speech Unveiling Plan To Cut Carbon Pollution

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And Obama gave Climate Hawks a new slogan: “Invest, divest.” MSNBC’s Chris Hayes tweeted:

Christopher Hayes ? @chrislhayes

"Invest, divest" is the most
crypto-radical line the
President has ever uttered.

11:32 AM - 25 Jun 2013

Climatologist Michael Mann said of the speech, “It is the most aggressive and promising climate plan to come out of the executive branch in years and President Obama should be applauded for the bold leadership he has shown in confronting the climate change threat head on.”

Since this is such an impressive and well-crafted speech, with many lines you will want to quote again and again, I’ll post the entire transcript below. It’s hard to say what the best part was, but we knew yesterday that he was going to put on the table a plan to meet his Copenhagen target of a 17% reduction in carbon pollution by 2005, including regulations for existing power plants.

He also offered a terrific push back against the pessimists who don’t believe Americans and American businesses are up to the challenge of solving this problem:

It's urgent that you go read the entire thing, the transcript is here too. Maybe the
MOST important speech Obama has ever made, but then there's been so many....;-)
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/06/25/2213341/invest-divest-obama-goes-full-climate-hawk-in-speech-unveiling-plan-to-cut-carbon-pollution/

And the 911 undisclosed truther blogger?__Obama's fracked-up climate strategy will guarantee global warming disaster

[ President Obama's much-anticipated speech at Georgetown University unveiling America's new climate change strategy offers welcome re-affirmation of the US government's recognition of global warming dangers. Plans to regulate coal plants, beef up defences against flooding and sea level rise, increase energy efficiency for homes and businesses, and fast track permits for renewable energy on public lands, are critical steps forward.

But the new climate strategy remains fatally compromised by Obama's unflinching commitment to the maximum possible exploitation of fossil fuels - a contradiction that has set the world on course to trigger unmitigated catastrophe in coming decades.

Central to the plan is Obama's reiteration of his commitment to cutting US greenhouse gas emissions 17% from 2005 levels by 2020. But this target is too little, too late - amounting to only a 4% cut in emissions compared with 1990 levels. ]

Of course there's more, I'm sure some of what he says is correct . .. however, to me he is sounding more and more like greenwald .... except for the fact that the subject is climate rather than 'civil liberties' .... IF he had said ONE good thing..but HE DIDN'T!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/earth-insight/2013/jun/25/obama-speech-climate-action-plan-disaster1

and here is just a peek at his truther stuff .. If interested though .. all you have to do is google his name and 911 blogger truther movement and his name is all over ... this is really short, the post is longer and it is on his website, the cutting edge, this is JUST one of his websites he has many, plus written quite a few books. towards the end

From The Floor

At talks like this making an intervention is a rather inexact science. However the size of the audience required brevity, and one of the three activists from the 9/11 Truth Movement rather struggled with this concept. Ahmed was critical of the general conduct of the Britan and Ireland 9/11 Truth Movement, who appear less relevant and more closed in their thinking than similar groups in the States. The central point is perhaps this - 9/11 showed the world as it is, rather than being some sort of Year Zero for a new world order. Another intervention came from Shane Collins of Lambeth Green Party who talked of the need to introduce "carbon quotas" which could be bought and sold by individuals. As that appears to suggest that the very wealthy such as Roman Abramovich are going to be able to do a lot more than me in this future green world - count me out!

Personally I was deeply impressed by Ahmed's grasp of history and his use of sources. If I have a criticism of his talk it is that he actually repeated a mistake I have seen from the 9/11 Truth campaigners - he talked of America and Britain, but not of Iran, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, all "players" with dishonourable intentions of their own. Indeed Iran has looked to greatly increase its influence in the Muslim world in the past decade - from Sudan, to the Lebanon and most recently to Iraq. Imperialism can come in all colours, and in small packages as well as large.

http://www.nafeezahmed.com/search?updated-min=2006-01-01T00:00:00Z&updated-max=2007-01-01T00:00:00Z&max-results=36

To repeat, I don't mind him writing .. I mind him not disclosing on the Guardian Newspaper. And yes, it is NOT in his bio there at the Guardian ... .

what do you want to bet he's a libertarian too ? .. ;)