Definitely off the ground. The ground is where 95% of all sub-pennies are right now. They have concepts, but no products that are selling.
Bergio, on the other hand, not only has products but selling at both ends of the spectrum (high and low-end). The company is profitable (another distinction from other subs). Oh and their products are airing on TV (don't know of any subs that are).
So yeah, we're off the ground and rocketing upward. JMHO