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Afghans reveal Guantanamo ordeal

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2886245.stm

Tuesday, 25 March, 2003, 19:06 GMT

Afghan prisoners released from US detention in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, have told of being kept in small cages and interrogated dozens of times to try to prove links to al-Qaeda or the Taleban.
The 18 men returned to Afghanistan last week.

Most did not complain about conditions at the US base, but were angry at the way they were arrested and at what they said was brutal treatment by Afghan jailers before they left.

They also condemned how long it took to prove their innocence.

The men are only the second batch to leave Guantanamo Bay since October, when three men were freed.

'Beatings and torture'

One man, Salaiman Shah, said he was a used-car salesman accused by troops of fighting with the Taleban.


He said he was held at the notorious Sherberghan prison in northern Afghanistan by troops loyal to warlord General Abdul Rashid Dostam.

Some of us were interrogated 20 times, others 50 times, others 60

Murtaza, ex-prisoner

"At Sherberghan life was inhuman, all the prisoners had diarrhoea, some had tuberculosis, there was no food for days at a time and we were subjected to beatings and torture."

Mr Shah said the treatment at Guantanamo Bay was harsh but better.

A second returnee, Murtaza, said prisoners were sometimes hooded and handcuffed in their two-metre by two-metre cages in Cuba.

"Some of us were interrogated 20 times, others 50 times, others 60. But the food was good and they did not beat us," he said.

"Initially they told us it would take one month for the investigation and we would be released immediately if we were proven innocent.

"We spent two months in Sherberghan, five months in Kandahar, and more than one year in Guantanamo and finally now they release us because we are innocent."


Mr Murtaza said he had been forced to fight with the Taleban.

Deaf

Sher Gulab, from Jalalabad, said he did not have a hard time in Cuba "because God was with me".

He was caught while working as a labourer in Pakistan.

"I am not angry at the Americans, but I am angry at the Pakistanis because they arrested me," he said.

A fourth man, Bismillah, said he was arrested as an al-Qaeda suspect because he was deaf and could not understand the Americans' questions.

Guantanamo Bay still holds 660 detainees, many arrested in Afghanistan.

Washington describes them as unlawful combatants who can be held indefinitely without trial.

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Guantanamo prisoners 'kept in cages'

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/World/story_47035.asp

AFP - A group of 18 Afghans released from a US detention centre at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, told how they were kept in tiny cages and subjected to interrogations for more than a year to prove their innocence.

In an impromptu press conference in Kabul, some of the 18 described how they suffered brutal treatment at the hands of Afghan jailers before being transferred to Guantanamo as suspected al-Qaeda or Taliban fighters.

The men, who returned to Afghanistan last week, were only the second batch of prisoners released from the controversial US detention centre, which holds hundreds captured during an international coalition campaign in Afghanistan.

Dressed in traditional Afghan shalwar kameez baggy trousers and overshirt, topped with US-issue blue sweatshirts, the heavily-bearded men said they were unfairly arrested and forced to suffer an arduous journey to regain freedom.

"I am innocent, I had nothing to do with the Taliban," said Salaiman Shah, who said he was working as a used car trader when he was seized by troops who accused him of fighting alongside the hardline militia.




He said he was initially detained in the notorious Sherberghan prison in northern Afghanistan by troops loyal to US-allied warlord General Abdul Rashid Dostam.

"At Sherberghan life was inhuman, all the prisoners had diarrhoea, some had tuberculosis, there was no food for days at a time and we were subjected to beatings and torture."

Shah said he and the others were transferred to US control at Kandahar air base in southern Afghanistan before being taken to Guantanamo, where he said treatment was harsh but better.

Fellow prisoner Murtaza, who like many Afghans has only one name, described being cooped up in cages in Guantanamo, sometimes hooded and handcuffed, during a seemingly interminable detention.

"Initially they told us it would take one month for the investigation and we would be released immediately if we were proven innocent.

"We spent two months in Sherberghan, five months in Kandahar, and more than one year in Guantanamo and finally now they release us because we are innocent.

"In Guantanamo we were in two-metre long cages. Some of us were interrogated 20 times, others 50 times, others 60. But the food was good and they did not beat us."

Murtaza, 30, admitted he was fighting with the Taliban when he was arrested in northern Kunduz province, but said he had been forced to join the militia.

A third prisoner, Bismillah, of central Uruzgan province, claimed he was mistakenly arrested because he is hard of hearing.

"At 2am at night Americans came to our house and asked me to show them where the Taliban are. Since I am deaf, I couldn't understand what they said so they arrested me. It took them more than a year to realise I am innocent."

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Freed Afghan prisoner claims torture by U.S. interrogators

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Mar. 14, 2003. 09:22 PM

PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) — There was a thin layer of ice on the dirt floor of his cell.

His interrogators, U.S. soldiers, ordered him to strip.

"Everything," they said.

"Take everything off."

As he shivered, naked in his cell, two men threw a bucket of ice cold water on him.

"I couldn't say anything," Saif-ur Rahman said two weeks after his release from U.S. detention in Afghanistan.

"I was so frightened. I didn't know what they would do next."

Rahman's account and that of another recently freed Afghan gave a rare first-hand look into interrogation of prisoners held by the United States in the war against terrorism. Human rights groups have criticized U.S. interrogation methods as abusive. Two prisoners died in December after being beaten at a prison in Bagram Air Base, the U.S. military headquarters in Afghanistan.

The U.S. military defended its methods and insisted they do not constitute torture, specifically challenging the accounts by Rahman and another former prisoner, Abdul Qayyum.

Access to the sprawling two-storey prison compound at Bagram, north of the Afghan capital Kabul, is closely guarded. A three-metre-high external wall and coils of barbed wire on the ground ring the building. Sheet metal and wooden slabs cover the windows.

In separate interviews, two prisoners — Rahman and Qayyum — offered similar accounts of their time at Bagram's detention centre. They complained of sleep-deprivation, of being forced to stand for long periods of time, of humiliating taunts from women soldiers, screaming abuses at them through closed doors.

Rahman spoke slowly, explaining with gestures. Sometimes he would stop, look away seemingly embarrassed to talk about his nakedness, about how he was forced to lie spread eagle on the dirt floor while his interrogators placed a chair on either hand and on his feet.

For 20 straight days Rahman was handcuffed. At meal time his hands were tied but the constraints more relaxed. Qayyum said he was held in a large hall with about 100 prisoners — 10 people to a cubicle cordoned off from other similar cubicles by sheets of mesh. He was held for two months and five days and throughout that time was forbidden to talk to his cellmates.

At Bagram on Friday, U.S. Military Spokesman Roger King denied much of Rahman's and Qayyum's allegations.

"Some of the stuff they are saying sounds like partial truths, some of it's completely bogus," he said.

"They were stripped naked probably to prevent them from sneaking weapons into the facility. That's why someone may be stripped," King said.

He also dismissed the charge of mistreatment with cold water.

"We do force people to stand for an extended period of time...Disruption of sleep has been reported as an effective way of reducing people's inhibition about talking or their resistance to questioning," King said.

A "common technique" involves either keeping lights on constantly or waking prisoners every 15 minutes to disorient them and keep them wondering about the hour of the day, he said.

"They are not allowed to speak to one another. If they do, they can plan together or rely on the comfort of one another," King said.

"If they're caught speaking out of turn, they can be forced to do things — like stand for a period of time — as payment for speaking out."

Human rights organizations have criticized the detentions and conditions at Bagram and Guantanomo, Cuba. An Afghan human rights worker, who spoke on condition of anonymity, interviewed more than 20 Afghan former detainees who said they were stripped and ordered to sit and kneel naked in awkward positions for hours while they were questioned.

Last week, U.S. military coroners ruled the deaths of two prisoners at Baghram — on Dec. 3 and Dec. 10 — as homicides. The men had been beaten and one had a blood clot in his lung. As yet, no charges have been brought.

Amnesty International called the methods "humiliating and degrading."

"It is very clear that all of those treatments — — prolonged restraints and sleep-deprivation that results from leaving the lights on — — while it might not always rise to the standard of torture, it certainly is humiliating and degrading," Alistair Hodgett, spokesman for Amnesty International in Washington, said in a telephone interview on Friday.

Hodgett said the U.S. State Department's report on Human Rights last year criticized Iran, Saudi Arabia and Turkey for similar treatment of prisoners.

Both Rahman and Qayyum were both taken prisoner in the northeastern province in Kunar — Rahman in December, Qayyum in August.

Qayyum was captured in a widely publicized arrest of Haji Ruhollah Wakil, a leader of small religious party, and 13 others. Wakil is still in Bagram, along with his lieutenant Saber Lal, said Qayyum. Rahman was arrested even though he had been a prominent supporter of U.S. troops in Kunar since the fall of the Taliban in 2001.

Both were flown out of Kunar by helicopter, their hands tied and eyes covered.

In Rahman's case, the helicopter first landed at Jalalabad in eastern Afghanistan. It was there he was stripped naked and doused in ice water. His interrogators — — two men with two dogs — — were American. After 24 hours he was sent to the two-storey detention center at Bagram where Qayyum was also held.

For the first 20 days Rahman was alone in a room on the second floor of the building. On the first floor, Qayyum was held in the larger room, divided by wire mesh into cubicles. Each prisoner was given a red suit to wear, two blankets and a carpet on which to sleep. The lights were always on. Prisoners were allowed to wash once a week for five minutes. The toilet was a bucket.

Qayyum said interrogations were carried out on the second floor, where prisoners were led hooded and handcuffed.

At one point, Rahman said, his interrogators threatened to send him to Guantanamo, Cuba.

"One of them brought me 50 small stones and said 'count these stones.' When I finished he said: `We will send you there (Guantanamo) for 50 years."'

"I was sad (about being arrested) because I was the enemy of Al Qaeda and Taliban. I was not the criminal. I fought the Taliban," Rahman said.

After the Taliban's fall, Rahman — along with his brother Malik Zareen, a prominent commander in the U.S-allied northern alliance — seized control of Kunar for the allies in their war on terror.

Now he says he is too embarrassed to say he was arrested by the U.S. forces.

"I tell everyone I was in Kabul to visit Karzai. I don't tell anyone I was in Bagram," he said.

"They would laugh at me. At Bagram, Taliban prisoners would shout at me: `These are your friends. This is what happens to friends of the Americans."'

Upon their release, Rahman and Qayyum said their captors told them the same thing: "We are here to help you. The Taliban and Al Qaeda are your enemy."

"They destroyed your country."

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