Replies to post #138584 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[niceonice]

hapless, I supposed if it were up to you, we'd still be witnessing the glorious deaths of US soldiers in 'Nam. The death toll would be at about 500,000 by now and you'd be yet to shed a single tear and still be sending the troops to their senseless deaths.

Failure is failure - no matter how much you and your hero Bushie wish to deny it.

Those willing to face up to the consequences of a failed policy are the realists. You and your PNAC war-monger lickspittle apologists are the fascists.

As can be seen, it's much harder to stop a war - especially a failed one - than to start one. Those who start them will do everything they can to smear and tar those who try to clean up after them.

We all know which type you are. I can small the tar bubbling in your backyard from here.

BTW, which forms of torture do you believe are Constitutional? And, do you think we should offer vo-ed courses in torture techniques in our public schools to better prepare those who will be seeking a career in the military?

[seabass]

I did give you a link hap.....Murtha talking to Chris Matthews last night setting the whole issue straight. Don't know that you can get a better source than the original source himself. Here......again:


"They've got a resolution on the floor today — a ridiculous resolution — which calls for an immediate pullout.

No Democrat is going to vote for that. That's not what we're saying. We have what I feel is a very constructive resolution which gives a good proposal about how this war can be ended in a favorable way.

This resolution they're going to introduce today calls for immediate withdrawal. That's not what anybody is saying. We need a thoughtful suggestion, a thoughtful resolution, which concludes this war as quickly as possible.

And so I'm convinced we need to redeploy outside the country as quickly as practicable and safe for the troops.

MATTHEWS: How is that different than what the Republicans are pushing as this kind of bogus resolution they're pushing today?

MURTHA: It's ridiculous. It's an immediate withdrawal without any kind of a plan at all. All they're trying to do is prove to the American people a political message.

MATTHEWS: Is this some Mickey Mouse trick? How would you describe that resolution?

MURTHA: This is exactly what it is. And it's infuriating to me that after a year of study, after almost 25 years on the Defense Appropriations Subcommittee, with a really thoughtful resolution, they're not willing to have hearings, they're not willing to think about this or talk."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10101618/