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Bob Zumbrunnen

03/19/03 12:40 PM

#88877 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #88869

Finding other possibilities for dividends. Didn't realize Yahoo had a screener that'll let me specify a minimum dividend yield then sort on yield. Many of the high-payers are ones that, at a glance, don't look like ones that are likely to continue to pay those kinds of dividends. Like a 14 cent stock that pays a 111% dividend. LOL
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baletwine

03/19/03 12:43 PM

#88880 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #88869

Bob, I'd dump JNPR from my IRA if I were to be you, but that's just me. I haven't even checked, but I'm highly doubtful they pay a dividend, and think that stock is bloated beyond belief personally.

Don't follow F, so have no opinion.

JNPR in the low single digits would be appealing, perhaps.

Just my take.

-- Bale
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ajtj99

03/19/03 12:55 PM

#88885 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #88869

F is practically insolvent. Most Wall Street insiders say that if it were not for the Ford family, that company would have been in Chapter 11 already.
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JLSegal

03/19/03 12:55 PM

#88886 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #88869

FYI: BARRON'S ONLINE: Juniper Goes To Jupiter

By Eric C. Fleming
Weekday Trader
(This item was originally published late Tuesday).
Forget soaring to the moon with Ralph and Alice Kramden from The
Honeymooners. Juniper Networks' valuations went way beyond that-and they're
still in orbit three years after the tech bubble burst.
While the shares have plunged 96% from their peak of 244.50, they still
trade at more than 200 times estimated 2003 earnings.
That's a huge premium to Juniper's dominant competitor, Cisco Systems, whose
stock changes hands at less than 20 times projected earnings for its fiscal
year ending July 26.
Both Juniper and Cisco make routers, which shuttle packets of data through
corporate and telecommunications networks.
Juniper, which has the edge in turning out new high-end routers while Cisco
mostly updates older wares, has won some battles and some fans on Wall
Street.
But its lofty multiple has attracted some critics as well.
"My real beef [with Juniper] is that it has a huge valuation," says Reginal
King, analyst at W.R. Hambrecht & Co., who rates the stock Sell.
And valuation is the tip of the iceberg.
"You're basically implying a lot of growth and margin expansion in a tough
market," says John Wilson, analyst at RBC Capital Markets, who rates
Juniper's stock Underperform.
The networking equipment maker is struggling to compete in a market that's
still on its back because of weak demand.
"The [telco] service providers are in pretty dire straits, and they're the
ones buying [Juniper's] products," says Giri Devulapally, analyst at T. Rowe
Price & Associates.
Or, in many cases, not buying Juniper's products.
In the fourth quarter, Juniper got about half its sales from core routers
used by telecommunications service providers to move data within their
networks.
Roughly the other half came from so-called "edge routers" that telcos like
China Netcom Corp. use to send data between networks, with some sales to
cable systems operators.
Resellers LM Ericsson and Siemens are among Juniper's biggest clients. Other
customers include Nordic telecom service provider TeliaSonera and Korean and
Chinese telecom companies.
Unfortunately, much of Juniper's customer list reads like telecom's obituary
page, including such has-beens as Qwest Communications International and the
bankrupt WorldCom.
Yet even surviving carriers have slashed spending on telecom equipment
(excluding wireless) by 35% in 2002, notes market research firm Dell`Oro
Group.
And while Juniper recently landed BellSouth as a customer, it's unclear how
big a buyer of gear the regional Bell will turn out to be.
Juniper also may have a tough time slugging it out with Cisco on that turf,
because Cisco has been doing business with the Bells for more than a decade,
says King.
In fact, Juniper generally has been losing ground to Cisco. Juniper's share
of the high-end service provider router market sank to 16.2% last year from
20.1% in 2001, according to market research firm Synergy Research. During
that time, Cisco gained five percentage points of share. It now has a
commanding 70% of the market.
Cisco's breadth of products, wide distribution channel and longstanding
relationships have helped it in these tough times, as customers prefer to
deal with one vendor, says Susan Kalla, analyst at Friedman Billings Ramsey.

"Juniper has a good product at the high end of the market," says King. But
because of Cisco's longstanding relationships with its Bell customers,
"Juniper has a competitive disadvantage."
And it might not even matter if customers' coffers were suddenly overflowing
again.
"The backbone [of networks] was largely upgraded in the last several years,"
says King.
Last year, sales in the worldwide router market dropped by more than a
third, to $2.8 billion, from $4.3 billion, according to Synergy.
And this year, Synegy sees core router sales dropping by 1.7% to $1.2
billion, while sales of edge routers should fall 3.2%, to $1.4 billion.
Also, Juniper is nowhere near as strong financially as Cisco is. Its cash
grew to more than $1 billion at the end of 2002, but Juniper also has $942
million in debt, giving it a 40% debt-to-capital ratio. Cisco has more than
$21 billion in the bank and no debt.
At nearly six times trailing-12-month sales, "[Juniper] is such an easy
short," says Kalla, who rates the stock Underperform. She has been a bear
on telecom-related stocks since 2001.
About 10% of Juniper's float is currently being sold short by investors
betting against the stock.
Juniper officials declined comment.
At its current valuation, Juniper's stock changes hands far above the
company's long-term expected annual earnings growth rate of 15% (see At a
Glance). Its P/E on 2003 estimated earnings even tops its stratospheric
five-year median P/E of 181.8 times forward earnings, according to
Thomson/Baseline.
Of course, if telecom spending does resume and providers upgrade their
networks again, Juniper and Cisco could both prosper.
Don't expect that to happen any time soon, though: Some experts think
telecom spending will remain dead in the water through 2005.
Which is why right now Juniper's valuation looks like a triumph of hope over
reality.

(END) Dow Jones Newswires
03-19-03 0800ET
*** end of story ***

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Alex G

03/19/03 12:56 PM

#88887 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #88869

surely you are aware of Ford's balance sheet, it ain't purty... it's a bankrupcty candidate

i'm sure the company will still be around for a long time, but not sure aboutt he stock price


good luck



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Joe Stocks

03/19/03 12:59 PM

#88890 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #88869

Bob, I don't see the interest in F for a LTBH. I have an account that I manage that seems to have similiar goals that you have. They want dividend income and some possible upside share appreciation. MIR's preferred (MIR-pa)looks good to me as well as their bonds. ILD is a stock that trades for ILA's bonds. Selling at a good discount to face value. TE is a good utility stock with a nice dividend. It may be cut and that appears to be priced into the stock. The div cut in half would still be good.

DUK has a bond type stock, DUT.

F is selling for a 44% premium to book. Personally I think it would be overvalued at book in the current econmic environment. Many of the enrgy stocks above are selling below NAV. Just a thought.

Joe
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KyrosL

03/19/03 1:03 PM

#88891 RE: Bob Zumbrunnen #88869

I like CNP as a long term dividend play. It has a more than 6% dividend now, it's pretty safe, and it's a good bet they will increase it substantially once they recover stranded costs from selling their TGN subsidiary next year, which will cut their debt by almost half. DUK is another good one, but it has run up somewhat lately.

Kyros