Replies to post #137763 on Zeev's Turnips Talk Politics (ZTTP)

[mlsoft]

"The problem with your logic is that this is the US and we are entitled to our own religious belief, and to define that belief. Religion is a very personal issue, and in many ways it is in the eyes of the beholder. If secular humanists choose to call themselves a religion, then it is a religion. Who are we to impose a litmus test or argue otherwise? On the contrary, in the US we must uphold the rights of others to believe whatever the heck they want to believe."
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harry...

If you read once again what I wrote, you will note that I agree that every person has the right to believe whatever they want, and not only here in the US, but anywhere. I respect that right, and by the way so does God Who gives each of us free will to choose what we believe and do.

What I do not have to respect is the belief itself. If islam teaches that it is ok to kill Jews, then I do not respect their beliefs.

"Seriously, I'm wondering who are these secular humanists, phantom people, out to rob our tradition and corrupt our small children, or whatever? I live in a very so-called "liberal" part of the country and I don't believe I've ever seen a "secular humanist." Do they hide? Are they a double secret society, or an enigma?"

They are all around you. Go to almost any university or college (and a lot of seminaries) and you will find a faculty full of them. Go to the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals and I suspect you will find a number of them. Gather together a large group of scientists and you will find a bunch of them.

Or, if you want to save time and energy, do a google <gg>.

mlsoft

[brainlessone]

harry holocaust denial is the generally accepted fact in the entire muslim world , a lot of france, and also whats his face the actors father the australian.

the chinese dont know what you are talking about. so that leaves about 1 billion out, the venezuelans, like chavez thinks the arabs are his brothers and are sure it never happened and the rest of south america would only know if it was in spanish

the idea that you think the holocaust actually happened puts you in the minority.

I dont know why you should be surprised. I have read about really bizarre things that come out of the muddle east and post them. like israeli chewing gum.

if you beleive that israeli chewing gum was given to egypt to way lay their youth, then anything is possible.

the problem going on in the world is that most of the world thinks what you know and beleive to be fact is actually a lie.

I hope you realize that Osama' insane greivances are really really thought to be true. he didnt make them up with a focus group before he launched his madness

I mean you know the brutal israeli thugs occupying arab land , the forced rape of thousands of palestinian girls in israeli prisons, the zionist controlled bush whitehouse, the control of the world by the elders of zion. etc. The nation of islam doesnt sell the protocols of the elders of zion because they think its fake. all those black people in burkas and basketball sneakers think its true

its kind of hard to talk to these people


here is what the palestinian who used to be on tv a lot and always said that palestinian terrorists were freedom fighters like paul rever, ( his words) thinks about arafat:

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FROM WND'S JERUSALEM BUREAU
Ex-aide: Israeli assassin poisoned Arafat in ear
Palestinian officials, terrorists deny PLO leader died of AIDS

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Posted: November 17, 2005
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Aaron Klein
© 2005 WorldNetDaily.com

JERUSALEM – Even though four official investigations and a hospital pathology report failed to find evidence of foreign substances in late PLO Leader Yasser Arafat's bloodstream, a former senior Arafat aide claimed yesterday an Israeli assassin killed the Palestinian leader by blowing a slow-acting poison into his ear.

Several close Arafat associates and Palestinian terror leaders denied to WND rampant rumors Arafat was a homosexual or that he died of AIDS.


"It was easy to poison him in the ear, because he was under siege and he used to receive a lot of people and he used to hug them to kiss them and my assumption is that the perpetrator carried a small balloon of gas and he could blow it in Arafat's ear," said Ahmed Abdel Rahman, who worked closely with Arafat.

Rahman, speaking to a London-based Arabic newspaper on the occasion the one-year anniversary of Arafat's death, said Arafat was poisoned at the end of September 2003 and lost 13 kilograms during the course of 16 days.

Rahman did not offer evidence to back his accusations.