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09/15/12 9:59 PM

#185125 RE: conix #185122

conix - What is Democratic Socialism?

Questions and Answers from the Democratic Socialists of America

Democratic socialists believe that both the economy and society should be run democratically—to
meet public needs, not to make profits for a few. To achieve a more just society, many structures of our
government and economy must be radically transformed through greater economic and social
democracy so that ordinary Americans can participate in the many decisions that affect our lives.

Democracy and socialism go hand in hand. All over the world, wherever the idea of democracy has
taken root, the vision of socialism has taken root as well—everywhere but in the United States.
Because of this, many false ideas about socialism have developed in the US. With this pamphlet, we
hope to answer some of your questions about socialism.

Q Doesn't socialism mean that the government will
own and run everything?


Democratic socialists do not want to create an all-powerful government bureaucracy. But we do not want
big corporate bureaucracies to control our society either. Rather, we believe that social and economic
decisions should be made by those whom they most affect.

Today, corporate executives who answer only to themselves and a few wealthy stockholders make basic
economic decisions affecting millions of people. Resources are used to make money for capitalists rather than
to meet human needs. We believe that the workers and consumers who are affected by economic institutions
should own and control them.

Social ownership could take many forms, such as worker-owned cooperatives or publicly owned
enterprises managed by workers and consumer representatives. Democratic socialists favor as much
decentralization as possible. While the large concentrations of capital in industries such as energy and steel
may necessitate some form of state ownership, many consumer-goods industries might be best run as
cooperatives.

Democratic socialists have long rejected the belief that the whole economy should be centrally planned.
While we believe that democratic planning can shape major social investments like mass transit, housing, and
energy, market mechanisms are needed to determine the demand for many consumer goods.

Q Hasn't socialism been discredited by the collapse of
Communism in the USSR and Eastern Europe?


Socialists have been among the harshest critics of authoritarian Communist states. Just because their
bureaucratic elites called them “socialist” did not make it so; they also called their regimes “democratic.”
Democratic socialists always opposed the ruling party-states of those societies, just as we oppose the ruling
classes of capitalist societies. We applaud the democratic revolutions that have transformed the former
Communist bloc. However, the improvement of people’s lives requires real democracy without ethnic
rivalries and/or new forms of authoritarianism. Democratic socialists will continue to play a key role in that
struggle throughout the world.

Moreover, the fall of Communism should not blind us to injustices at home. We cannot allow all
radicalism to be dismissed as “Communist.” That suppression of dissent and diversity undermines America’s
ability to live up to its promise of equality of opportunity, not to mention the freedoms of speech and
assembly.

Q Private corporations seem to be a permanent fixture in the US, so why work towards socialism?

In the short term we can’t eliminate private corporations, but we can bring them under greater
democratic control. The government could use regulations and tax incentives to encourage companies to act
in the public interest and outlaw destructive activities such as exporting jobs to low-wage countries and
polluting our environment. Public pressure can also have a critical role to play in the struggle to hold
corporations accountable. Most of all, socialists look to unions make private business more accountable.

Q Won't socialism be impractical because people will lose their incentive to work?

We don’t agree with the capitalist assumption that starvation or greed are the only reasons people work.
People enjoy their work if it is meaningful and enhances their lives. They work out of a sense of responsibility
to their community and society. Although a long-term goal of socialism is to eliminate all but the most
enjoyable kinds of labor, we recognize that unappealing jobs will long remain. These tasks would be spread
among as many people as possible rather than distributed on the basis of class, race, ethnicity, or gender, as
they are under capitalism. And this undesirable work should be among the best, not the least, rewarded work
within the economy. For now, the burden should be placed on the employer to make work desirable by raising
wages, offering benefits and improving the work environment. In short, we believe that a combination of
social, economic, and moral incentives will motivate people to work.

Q Why are there no models of democratic socialism?

Although no country has fully instituted democratic socialism, the socialist parties and labor movements
of other countries have won many victories for their people. We can learn from the comprehensive welfare
state maintained by the Swedes, from Canada’s national health care system, France’s nationwide childcare
program, and Nicaragua’s literacy programs. Lastly, we can learn from efforts initiated right here in the US,
such as the community health centers created by the government in the 1960s. They provided high quality
family care, with community involvement in decision-making.

Q But hasn't the European Social Democratic experiment failed?

For over half a century, a number of nations in Western Europe and Scandinavia have enjoyed both
tremendous prosperity and relative economic equality thanks to the policies pursued by social democratic
parties. These nations used their relative wealth to insure a high standard of living for their citizens—high
wages, health care and subsidized education. Most importantly, social democratic parties supported strong
labor movements that became central players in economic decision-making. But with the globalization of
capitalism, the old social democratic model becomes ever harder to maintain. Stiff competition from low-wage
labor markets in developing countries and the constant fear that industry will move to avoid taxes and strong
labor regulations has diminished (but not eliminated) the ability of nations to launch ambitious economic
reform on their own. Social democratic reform must now happen at the international level. Multinational
corporations must be brought under democratic controls, and workers’ organizing efforts must reach across
borders.

Now, more than ever, socialism is an international movement. As socialists have always known, the
welfare of working people in Finland or California depends largely on standards in Italy or Indonesia. As a
result, we must work towards reforms that can withstand the power of multinationals and global banks, and we
must fight for a world order that is not controlled by bankers and bosses.

Q Aren't you a party that's in competition with the Democratic Party for votes and support?

No, we are not a separate party. Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious,
and community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party. We work with
those movements to strengthen the party’s left wing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

The process and structure of American elections seriously hurts third party efforts. Winner-take-all
elections instead of proportional representation, rigorous party qualification requirements that vary from state
to state, a presidential instead of a parliamentary system, and the two-party monopoly on political power have
doomed third party efforts. We hope that at some point in the future, in coalition with our allies, an alternative
national party will be viable. For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at
winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats.

Q If I am going to devote time to politics, why shouldn't I focus on something more immediate?

Although capitalism will be with us for a long time, reforms we win now—raising the minimum wage,
securing a national health plan, and demanding passage of right-to-strike legislation—can bring us closer to
socialism. Many democratic socialists actively work in the single-issue organizations that advocate for those
reforms. We are visible in the reproductive freedom movement, the fight for student aid, gay, lesbian, bisexual
and transgendered organizations, anti-racist groups, and the labor movement.

It is precisely our socialist vision that informs and inspires our day-to-day activism for social justice. As
socialists we bring a sense of the interdependence of all struggles for justice. No single-issue organization can
truly challenge the capitalist system or adequately secure its particular demands. In fact, unless we are all
collectively working to win a world without oppression, each fight for reforms will be disconnected, maybe
even self-defeating.

Q What can young people do to move the US towards socialism?

Since the Civil Rights movement of the 1950s, young people have played a critical role in American
politics. They have been a tremendous force for both political and cultural change in this country: in limiting
the US’s options in the war in Vietnam, in forcing corporations to divest from the racist South African regime,
in reforming universities, and in bringing issues of sexual orientation and gender discrimination to public
attention. Though none of these struggles were fought by young people alone, they all featured youth as
leaders in multi-generational progressive coalitions. Young people are needed in today’s struggles as well: for
universal health care and stronger unions, against welfare cuts and predatory multinational corporations.

Schools, colleges and universities are important to American political culture. They are the places where
ideas are formulated and policy discussed and developed. Being an active part of that discussion is a critical
job for young socialists. We have to work hard to change people’s misconceptions about socialism, to broaden
political debate, and to overcome many students’ lack of interest in engaging in political action. Off-campus,
too, in our daily cultural lives, young people can be turning the tide against racism, sexism and homophobia, as
well as the conservative myth of the virtue of “free” markets.

Q If so many people misunderstand socialism, why continue to use the word?

First, we call ourselves socialists because we are proud of what we are. Second, no matter what we call
ourselves, conservatives will use it against us. Anti-socialism has been repeatedly used to attack reforms that
shift power to working class people and away from corporate capital. In 1993, national health insurance was
attacked as “socialized medicine” and defeated. Liberals are routinely denounced as socialists in order to
discredit reform. Until we face, and beat, the stigma attached to the “S word,” politics in America will
continue to be stifled and our options limited. We also call ourselves socialists because we are proud of the
traditions upon which we are based, of the heritage of the Socialist Party of Eugene Debs and Norman
Thomas, and of other struggles for change that have made America more democratic and just. Finally, we call
ourselves socialists to remind everyone that we have a vision of a better world.

Join Us!

http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf

Just as many republicans are unhappy with some platforms of the GOP as Democrats are not all happy with
all aspects of the Democratic Party i guess it's possible that some Democrat members of the DSA (haven't
checked your list) are not in full agreement with all positions of the DSA. What do you think on that?



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StephanieVanbryce

09/15/12 10:32 PM

#185129 RE: conix #185122

Please give us the Scribd link ..I used the Google and found over two pages of right-wing blogs and "news" sources
parroting the exact same content in its exact same wording. And none of them had any links to prove the content..

Is this from rick moran?
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F6

09/16/12 12:50 AM

#185138 RE: conix #185122

conix -- normally I would remove that one for lack of a source link -- the general rule here is and long has been, post words not your own, include the source link from where you got them (and yes, I occasionally make allowances for a couple of long-standing posters here whose posts have consistently verified when checked, but don't even think about going there/trying to argue this with me on that basis [this not being open to argument in any event], you are not one of them) -- and in particular if you're gonna post that sort of thing, you've gotta show us your source -- from here on out, you post something including words not your own without a source link, the post disappears

for the record, a couple of 'sources' for that one:

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2010/08/15/socialist-party-of-america-releases-the-names-of-70-democrat-members-of-congress-who-are-members-of-their-caucus/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/socialist_party_of_america_rev.html

the referenced scribd of the alleged newsletter:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/35733956/DSA-Members-American-Socialist-Voter-Democratic-Socialists-of-America-10-1-09

the web page brought up by the url on the alleged newsletter:

http://www.americansocialistvoter.com/demsocofamerica.htm

for reference, the actual website of the actual Democratic Socialists of America (and do see in particular the first video embedded on that page, "Is Obama a socialist? Watch DSA answer on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart."):

http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

and last but not least, a little reality:

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Fact Check: Do 70 Members of Congress Belong to Socialist Party of America Caucus?

Posted on August 16 2010 by Congressional Aid.

This morning, the website Blue Collar Republican [ http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=6277 ] has planted the Soviet symbol of the hammer and the sickle next to a claim that Rep. Steve Cohen [ http://thatsmycongress.com/house/repCohenTN9111.html ] is one of the “Congressmen who are members of the American Socialist Party”. The cited source for this claim is Gateway Pundit at the fundamentalist Christian website First Things [ http://gatewaypundit.firstthings.com/2010/08/american-socialists-release-names-of-70-congressional-democrats-in-their-caucus/ ], who declares:

The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus.

Let’s fact check this claim.

1. A check with the official list of registered congressional caucuses [ http://cha.house.gov/member_orgs111th.aspx (dead link; see e.g. {linked in} http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucuses_of_the_United_States_Congress )] shows that there is no congressional caucus in either 2009 or 2010 containing the word “socialist,” “socialism,” or any other variation on the word “social.” The supposed Socialist Party of America Caucus does not exist.

2. The “Socialist Party of America” has not been in existence for 38 years [ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialist_Party_of_America#The_Vietnam_controversy_and_the_final_split_.281968-1973.29 ].

3. The list of the supposed 70 members of the non-existent Socialist Party of America’s non-existent caucus is an outdated copy of the membership of the Congressional Progressive Caucus [ http://cpc.grijalva.house.gov/index.cfm?ContentID=166&ParentID=0&SectionID=4&SectionTree=4&lnk=b&ItemID=164 ] as it stood in fall of 2009.

Conclusion: the claim that “The Socialist Party of America announced in their October 2009 newsletter that 70 Congressional democrats currently belong to their caucus” is untrue on multiple counts.

To the extent that websites propagating this claim are aware of these facts, they are participants in a hoax

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