The_Free_Nebula-He is my friend. I always like to hear both sides before forming a position. Jagman's arguments were not as strong as others on this board. His comments(well some of them) were appreciated.
Not to put too fine an edge to it, but he is indeed a "basher exemplar" and most enthusiastically not a friend of AMEP lol! AMEP continues on without him, more's the pity.