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08/16/12 5:58 PM

#1068 RE: blasher #1067

Blasher,

I use the word 'Fact' in the literal sense as it is defined in the English dictionary. For something to become fact there must be tangible evidence and a set of systematic, reproducible tests that yield the same results every time no matter who conducts the investigation.

With that definition, all religions will always be faith based. Otherwise, what is the purpose of Faith?

No matter how much knowledge Man achieves, there will always be the unknown. Some would argue that the more we know, the more we realize what we don't know. That is a vacuum of knowledge that many people need to fill in order to feel comfortable with their own lives, and to give their lives meaning and a goal. And that's where religion comes in -- to fill the void and give that purpose and to leave open the possibility that there is always another chance ad infinitum.

I wrote that first post as a response to your phrase "direct our answers intelligently", and also to some people quoting chapter and verse from religious texts, and also to the use of the word "learn", which infers there is a difference between fact and Faith.

Personally, I wouldn't put any "intelligence" requirements on any discussion of religion. Faith does not require intelligence, it only requires faith. The word intelligence often infers the word knowledge, which infers the word facts. Going that far is why all mainstream religions are broken up into smaller and smaller sects or denominations, and pits one religious group against another; which, if anything, ultimately leads to disagreements, more rules, more arguments, more division, fights, wars, ethnic cleansing, self-destruction.

What does a discussion of religion require if it does not require some minimum threshold level of intelligence? It only requires enlightenment in the spiritual sense, not the religious sense.

Sounds contradictory, doesn't it. It is. Enlightenment sets you free. Religion takes enlightenment and gives it rules.

Enlightenment is free. You don't have to be intelligent, you don't have to read books, you don't argue about what is written, You don't have to learn anything. You just become it. With this in mind, I'll give you a poem ...


The way of love is not
a subtle argument,

The door there
is devastation.

Birds make great sky-circles
of their freedom.
How do they learn it?

They fall, and falling,
they are given wings.


-- Rumi