well why not? I'm still proud of it. Goodness dbleagl we've have horrible things happen in every state.......and it's not our states that are the problem .. it's our gun laws which enable every person in the world to purchase a gun and walk around town with it ! ... I also suffered (just for a minute though .. ;)) when we found out that guy who just killed the thirty-five people in Colorado was from California .. but then I thought ... wait a minute ..California didn't have a thing to do with it and neither did the majority of people who live here AND/OR in Wisconsin or anywhere ... It's our gun laws. It's Plain and Simple ... Here's what John Howard did in Australia ..
And he was a Conservative PM .. of course, they must be liberal compared our 'weird' ones ..
and amazingly it didn't take that long and that is WITH a parliament type government ... someday I believe this will happen here .. but it has nothing to do with the Great state of Wisconsin, California or ANY STATE USA! ...........;)
dbleagl, be sad as ALL good people are, hell it's natural for all but those tending to a psychopathic condition, but don't ever take anything done by any individual as a negative, in any way at all, on the whole or on the spirit of your wonderful and courageous state .. well, lol, you can, yet needn't either, feel a bit 'bad state' re the recently failed gov. recall .. and yes, that individual, is it Walker? (ok, yeah, that's your reprobate) ..
Obama laments Gurdwara shooting, says US enriched by Sikhs
Washington: Saddened by the senseless shooting at a Gurdwara in Wisconsin, US President Barack Obama has said that Sikhs are part of the broader American family.
"Michelle and I were deeply saddened to learn of the shooting that tragically took so many lives in Wisconsin," Obama said in a statement on Sunday. Obama was briefed by his top counter terrorism advisor, John Brennan, on the shooting. Obama is constantly being updated on the tragic incident that has shocked the entire nation.
"At this difficult time, the people of Oak Creek must know that the American people have them in our thoughts and prayers, and our hearts go out to the families and friends of those who were killed and wounded," Obama said, adding that his Administration will provide whatever support is necessary to the officials who are responding to this tragic shooting and moving forward with an investigation.
"As we mourn this loss which took place at a house of worship, we are reminded how much our country has been enriched by Sikhs, who are a part of our broader American family," Obama said.
is NOT good for Wisconsin as you full realize .. continue above only IF you HAVE to read the words of Walker and Romney again, as i'll bet you have too many times before. Most sincere in this case as we know they are.
Steph, in the first reply is absolutely spot on as far as blame goes for your antiquated and regretful gun culture.
OK .. you and i HOPE others, may be interested in a bit more detail re the John Howard 'Liberal' .. lol, yup, thank sod .. our conservatives are NOT nearly as EXTREME as your Caucus Room Restaurant conservative groundhog day GOPers are .. there is something in here for about all, i feel ..
Gun politics in Australia
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1984–1996 multiple killings
From 1984 to 1996, multiple killings aroused public concern. The 1984 Milperra massacre was a major incident in a series of conflicts between various 'outlaw motorcycle gangs'. These gangs are a major component of organised crime in Australia and continue to arm themselves illegally.[citation needed] In 1987, the Hoddle Street massacre and the Queen Street massacre took place in Melbourne. In response, several states required the registration of all guns, and restricted the availability of self-loading rifles and shotguns. In the Strathfield massacre in New South Wales, 1991, two were killed with a knife, and five more with a firearm. Tasmania passed a law in 1991 for firearm purchasers to obtain a licence, though enforcement was light. Firearm laws in Tasmania and Queensland remained relatively relaxed for longarms. In 1995, Tasmania had the second lowest rate of homicides per head of population.
Shooting massacres in Australia and other English-speaking countries often occurred close together in time. Forensic psychiatrists attribute this to copycat behaviour, which is in many cases triggered by sensational media treatment. Mass murderers study media reports and imitate the actions and equipment that are sensationalised in them.
The Port Arthur massacre and its consequences
The Port Arthur massacre in 1996 transformed gun control legislation in Australia. Thirty five people were killed and 21 wounded when a man with a history of violent and erratic behaviour beginning in early childhood opened fire on shop owners and tourists with two military style semi-automatic rifles. Six weeks after the Dunblane massacre in Scotland, this mass killing at the notorious former convict prison at Port Arthur horrified the Australian public and had powerful political consequences.
The Port Arthur perpetrator said he bought his firearms from a gun dealer without holding the required firearms licence.
Prime Minister John Howard, then newly elected, immediately took the gun law proposals developed from the report of the 1988 National Committee on Violence and forced the states to adopt them under a National Firearms Agreement. This was necessary because the Australian Constitution does not give the Commonwealth power to enact gun laws. The proposals included a ban on all semi-automatic rifles and all semi-automatic and pump-action shotguns, and a tightly restrictive system of licensing and ownership controls.
Some discussion of measures to allow owners to undertake modifications to reduce the capacity of magazine-fed shotguns ("crimping") occurred, but the government refused to permit this.
While surveys showed up to 85% of Australians supported gun control, hundreds of thousands of farmers and sporting shooters strongly opposed the new laws, calling them a 'knee-jerk' reaction by the Government and pointing out the lack of discussion of the issues.
The government planned a series of public meetings to explain the proposed changes. In the first meeting, on the advice of his security team, Howard wore a bullet-resistant vest, which was visible under his jacket. This was perceived as a deeply offensive act by the shooters, and their outrage was interpreted by many of the media and the public to show that ordinary shooters were dangerous and contemptible.
Yes, i drifted somewhat yet, in including the Caucus Room crowd in this post in no way am politicizing the latest tragedy, but rather just dealing with a bigger picture of cause of anxiety and angst within the society.
By John Bacon, USA TODAY - Updated 2 hours 22 min ago Aug 06, 2012
The man who fatally shot six people at the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin was identified today as Army veteran Wade Michael Page, 40, who washed out of the military in 1998 after a six-year hitch.
Beirich says there was "no question" Page was an ardent follower and believer in the white supremacist movement. She said her center had evidence that he attended "hate events" around the country.
The Associated Press reports that such specialists are responsible for the analysis, development and distribution of intelligence used for influencing foreign populations.
The details of his discharge were not immediately clear, although CNN says a military source cites "patterns of misconduct."
The Journal Sentinel reports that Page apparently worked as a truck driver with Granger, Iowa-based Barr-Nunn Transportation, from about April 2006 to August 2010 while living in Fayetteville, N.C.
An employee at the company told the newspaper that Page left "involuntarily"" but declined to elaborate.
The only criminal contact it had on Page was a charge of writing a worthless check in October 1997, the Journal Sentinel reports.
In Cudahy, Amber Young, 14, said she saw the suspect walking his black Labrador on several occasions and that Page had a 9/11 tattoo on his upper right arm.
The tattoo said, "9/11" and "had a bunch of descriptions and stuff," Young tells the paper.
Wade was killed outside the temple in a shootout with police officers after the rampage. CBS, citing unnamed sources, says evidence suggests race or ethnicity may have played a role in the violence, but no links to extremist groups have been confirmed.
TAX DAY TEA PARTY 2010 .. an old repeated which fits ..
dbleagl, have you seen this of oldberkley's ..
"You really have to live in Ohio to fully appreciate what's going on. The lies, the major newspapers printing and endorsing the lies, the phone calls repeating and reinforcing the lies."
not far from you .. he gave us more down a couple .. bit of ..
"The van's owner came out on the sidewalk. He saw me staring, and yelled, "Like the van?"
I answered, "No, I do not."
He immediately went emotionally from zero to sixty in two seconds flat, skipping all the normal stages of civilized behavior, and was in a frothing Tea Party rage. He screamed from the sidewalk, "Then you're a Socialist piece of shit too!"" http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=78238950
It's just that i hope you are feeling better today .. :)
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