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brainlessone

02/19/03 1:55 PM

#6041 RE: sarai #6038

no of course he does not.

but it is a part of a vexing new problem in jurisprudence: the conccept that if someone is genetically predetermined to do something then it is not his " fault". Law is based on the idea of control and responsibility. the problem has come up numerous times in criminal court

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Jar

02/19/03 1:59 PM

#6043 RE: sarai #6038

>>Isn't a big tenet of Christianity about "he who goes without sin...." I assume "stone" means "hurtful", tho some will argue "a stone is a stone is a stone", "literally". Maybe someone could post a link to that passage...<<

Sarai, here's the passage you refer to.

John 8:2-11
2 And early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people were coming to Him; and He sat down and began to teach them.
3 And the scribes and the Pharisees brought^ a woman caught in adultery, and having set her in the midst,
4 they said^ to Him, "Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery, in the very act.
5 "Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say?"
6 And they were saying this, testing Him, in order that they might have grounds for accusing Him. But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground.
7 But when they persisted in asking Him, He straightened up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her."
8 And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And when they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the midst.
10 And straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?"
11 And she said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "Neither do I condemn you; go your way. From now on sin no more."

Jesus is not overturning the Mosaic law. He chastises the Pharisees as they were outside their jurisdiction. They were not the enforcers of the law. Also, note Jesus doesn't say she was guiltless - he says "sin no more".
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deadbeat45

02/20/03 4:34 AM

#6192 RE: sarai #6038

>>You equate homosexuality with murder? What a novel concept!!<<
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My view of this "God created him that way" notion is confussing if not illogical. To use "god created me that way" to justify ones behavior is to blame God for the vice and the resulting tribulation. If that's the case why blame Hitler, Saddam, or the unfaithful husband.... after all can't they justify it with "god created me with this...or that way"?

Is it/was it God's will that a baby be born with spina bifida, or blindness, or deafness, or neurological impairments? Not in my book, these are a consequences of sin being in the world and which all creation (including the 3 legged frogs) waits to be delivered from.

Why does God permit such situations to exist? That's another topic.