"They seem to be fundamentalist christians" really? Which Church is that? Have you ever actually been to Waco and known any Baptists there? While I am certainly not a Christian, I do not view them as some fringe fundamentalist extreme. I think maybe you are overreacting a little and using overly vivid language. I would be more likely to think that someone like our wonderful past President would be more likely to have closer ties to some of these fundamentalists. It seems many of them have the same problems with their libido? It seems to me that if you wanted to have somewhat more intelligent converstaions you might use less belligerent and agressive statements. Making wild accusations and calling our President names doesn't necessarily encourage fruitful discussions? p.s. Have you been taking lessons from Syl <VBG>