Replies to post #164530 on Tornado Alley (PROG)

[StephanieVanbryce]

that's why we've been doing the kabuki dance for the last 4 or so years w/o an invasion. And we will not have an invasion unless we can remove the aforementioned consequences, which I seriously doubt.

Yes... I believe it's been more like Forty something years that we have been doing the 'kabuki' dance with Iran .... .AND, no one is talking about "invasion" ...I have never ever read that anywhere ...

but make no mistake about it ....IF Iran would be so stupid to mess with the 'Strait of Hormuz' .. there WILL be consequences and NOT just from the US .... actually we would be a very small piece of that, BUT an important one ....Saudi is taking delivery of 30 billion dollars worth of weapons from us, PLUS they stated that they would PICK UP ANY oil shortage that ANY conflict produced ......also Iraq is armed to the teeth ..and We have military bases in Turkey, Kuwait ... and plenty more places there...Oh YES, there would be consequences ... hopefully effective immediately .. and over with immediately ...

another thing .. the inflation rate in Iran is astounding ....I have a dear friend, his wife is all ready over here ... and he said it is unbelievable ...all though on the GREAT side of that .. he is NOW richer than ever ... because OUR dollar went up ... ;) ..anyway, he's ready to leave permanently now ...he is DONE with Iran...

one more thing ....the consequences to the West and Israel far outweigh our blasting of Iran. Don't expect the Iranians to sit on their hands after an attack, our homeland will be a prime target for suitcase bombs which I have no doubt that the Iranians can deliver. Furthermore their advancements enabled them to outmanuever our top rated spy drone, rest assured, their drones would be flying over NYC and our major cities in due time loaded with who knows what to dump. .....We Expect that NOW .. and from ALL countries AND within our OWN country and have set up quite elaborate and effective systems to STOP that from happening .. NOW, will it ever happen ? Of course, it's absolutely impossible for any country to keep ALL people who want to kill its citizens OUT ... EVEN IRAN has a a tough! time doing that ... let's see .....how many nuclear scientists now have somehow been killed in bombings ... in Iran ..three maybe ? anyway... My POINT is IF .. they are as smart as you say ...then they will WISE up QUICk!


so here's a bottoms UP! to Irans innate wisdom ..with PRAYERS that they use it ! ... .

[fuagf]

One other thing, the damage Iran closing the strait would do to themselves .. as i said it's the last thing
they would want .. also, why would they drone-dump on NYC when we haven't drone-dropped on Tehran?
.. if we bombed them as we bombed Iraq would they then? .. i doubt it .. and in all this don't forget

the Fatah [Fatwa] by Khamanei against the development of nuclear weapons .. if it was broken it
would be a real blow to his authority .. read it while wandering but have lost that post just now ..
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=70346415

and the rest in that post, and others, outlining the aggression of the West toward Iran since 1953
.. they have a legal right to enrichment for peaceful means .. many others have programs toward
becoming a ""threshold country,"" as the link above mentions, are not bothered as Iran is now ..

This was has been going on for at lest 59 years ..

1953 Iranian coup d'état

The 1953 Iranian coup d'état (known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup) was the overthrow of the democratically elected government of Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh on 19 August 1953, orchestrated by the intelligence agencies of the United Kingdom and the United States under the name TPAJAX Project. The coup saw the transition of Mohammad-Reza Shah Pahlavi from a constitutional monarch to an authoritarian one who relied heavily on United States support to hold on to power until his own overthrow in February 1979.

In 1951, Iran's oil industry was nationalized with near-unanimous support of Iran's parliament in a bill introduced by Mossadegh who led the nationalist parliamentarian faction. Iran's oil had been controlled by the British-owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC).[6] Popular discontent with the AIOC began in the late 1940s, a large segment of Iran's public and a number of politicians saw the company as exploitative and a vestige of British imperialism. Despite Mosaddegh's popular support, Britain was unwilling to negotiate its single most valuable foreign asset, and instigated a worldwide boycott of Iranian oil to pressure Iran economically. Initially, Britain mobilized its military to seize control of the Abadan oil refinery, the world's largest, but Prime Minister Clement Attlee opted instead to tighten the economic boycott while using Iranian agents to undermine Mosaddegh's government. With a change to more conservative governments in both Britain and the United States, Churchill and the U.S. Eisenhower administration decided to overthrow Iran's government though the predecessor U.S. Truman administration had opposed a coup.

Britain and the U.S. selected Fazlollah Zahedi to be the prime minister of a military government that was to replace Mosaddegh's government. Subsequently, a royal decree dismissing Mosaddegh and appointing Zahedi was drawn up by the coup plotters and signed by the Shah. .. much more .. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

See also:

Excerpt: 'The Middle East Should Become a WMD-Free Zone'

Hans Blix was in charge of looking for weapons of
mass destruction in Iraq prior to the invasion.
SPIEGEL ONLINE spoke to him about Iran's nuclear
program, America's conclusion that Tehran may not
be pursuing the bomb, and a WMD-free Middle East.

SPIEGEL ONLINE: It seems rather ironic that US intelligence
agencies were the ones to determine that Tehran abandoned
its nuclear weapons program in 2003. Is the US now, since
the blunders leading up to the Iraq war, taking a closer look
before accusing countries of possessing weapons of mass destruction? [.. sheesh .. Dec. 2007 ..] http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=25387211

there are too many more so just one ..

Iran Receives Nuclear Fuel in Blow to U.S.

By HELENE COOPER

WASHINGTON — The United States lost a long battle when Russia, as it announced on Monday, delivered nuclear fuel to an Iranian power plant that is at the center of an international dispute over its nuclear program. Iran, for its part, confirmed on Monday plans to build a second such plant.

In announcing that it had delivered the first shipment of enriched-uranium fuel rods to the power plant, at Bushehr in southern Iran, on Sunday, Russian officials said that while the fuel was in Iran, it would be under the control of the International Atomic Energy Agency, the nuclear monitoring agency for the United Nations. Russia also said the Iranian government had guaranteed that the fuel would be used only for the power plant. .. more .. http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=25377984 ..

The West has been playing a giant, immoral, maybe even racist, and aggressive charade with Iran since way back when ..

[sortagreen]

You make some serious assumptions here.

Furthermore their advancements enabled them to outmanuever our top rated spy drone, rest assured, their drones would be flying over NYC and our major cities in due time

Did the Iranians bring down our drone, or did it crash?

Where will they be launching drones from, that are capable of striking New York?

Your primary point is well-taken, that Iran would not sit on their hands after an attack, but nuking Israel seems a stretch. They would be nuking the neigboring Muslim populations at that point, and the cloud would certainly reach them as well... not to mention that the Israelies and the US would then annihilate them.

That being said, the Iranians could certainly raise hell at the Strait of Hormuz, simply by scuttling a few ships. It narrows to 34 miles at one point and the channels aren't very deep.

An invasion is impractical as well. They're much larger and more populous than Iraq, and they're largely homogeneous as well... so we can forget the idea of turning them against each other as we did somewhat successfully to the Iraqis

In all I agree with you that an attack on Iran would cost more than it could possibly be worth, but I don't see a nuclear exchange being involved there.