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razal

07/02/05 2:19 AM

#114003 RE: mlsoft #113968

Watch the movie "The Fog of War" for the inside look at the Kennedy/Johnson/McNamara/Viet Nam scene.
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SoxFan

07/04/05 9:22 PM

#114375 RE: mlsoft #113968

I know it was not written in the bible but it is part of our history. Maybe you should become familiar with it.
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Alex G

07/05/05 1:38 AM

#114432 RE: mlsoft #113968

so, mlsoft,, you know more than the people who were there?... how do you know this? did god tell you?... you condradict LBJ and McNamara and accuse someone else of Revisionist "history" only because it doen't suit your agenda, what a joke



from one of JFK's recordings of his Cabinet meetings:

Kennedy: The advantage to taking them out is?
McNamara: We can say to the Congress and people that we do have a plan for reducing the exposure of US combat personnel.
K: My only reservation about it is if the war doesn't continue to go well, it will look like we were overly optimistic.
McN: We need a way to get out of Vietnam, and this is a way of doing it.

Soon after taking office, Lyndon Johnson began covertly recording his telephone conversations. In one of these conversations, from February 25, 1964--approximately three months after Kennedy's assassination--Johnson can be heard chastising McNamara for that recommendation to remove advisers from Vietnam:

Johnson: I always thought it was foolish for you to make any statements about withdrawing. I thought it was bad psychologically. But you and the President thought otherwise, and I just sat silent.
McN: The problem is...
J: Then come the questions: how in the hell does McNamara think, when he's losing a war, he can pull men out of there?
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McNamara was the first to argue, based on his own diary, that had he lived, JFK would have ended the Vietnam war in 1965.

...recently declassified documents have lent the notion credence. And I do believe Mr. McNamara when he says that the Kennedy taste for international co-operation would have served the world better than the White House's current with-us-or-against-us approach.

"I don't believe that Kennedy would be reacting the way Bush is. For one thing, Kennedy reached out. A critic in those early days of the administration was John Kenneth Galbraith [the Canadian economist, who believed Vietnam was a bad idea]. And Kennedy reached out, and appointed him to a high-level position, and he talked to him about Vietnam. You don't see that today."

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Alex G

07/05/05 8:29 AM

#114466 RE: mlsoft #113968

cat got your tongue? mr revisionist?